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Post by japhy on Feb 19, 2015 4:44:40 GMT -5
Iron can't be broken, plastic can be broken such concept has been developed in me after I have directly seen the reality, So is it wrong to conclude this way? The direct seeing doesn't tell you the truth? Sun will raise tomorrow which is a concept developed after I have seen sun raising everyday, Is it too wrong to conclude like this?
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 19, 2015 6:10:19 GMT -5
Would You 'apply that function' if you didn't 'believe' in it?. Sure. It's a practical matter. That's why I clarified it for you. It is an illusion, and it is also a practicality. I don't know why there is an inconsistency or conflict in that. No, you don't know why, because you are not yet willing to let go of your beliefs.. you seem to believe that illusions are practical, and they are so because they are not illusions but descriptions of what is happening..
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 19, 2015 6:24:23 GMT -5
I'm guessing you've never had to remove a cast iron bath tub with a sledge hammer? My intention is not inflict the fact that Iron can't be broken, my intention is, why can't I believe something which I am directly seeing? Why can't believe sun will raise tomorrow? Why can't I believe gravity works for the next movement when I jump? Why can't believe someone must have written a book when book is there in front of me? No belief required, it actually happens..
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 19, 2015 7:41:12 GMT -5
Personal identification is a natural function of physical existence, pretending it's not there is no solution for anything.. understanding the function of personal identification and applying that function holistically to the situation as it happens is a functional integration with the happening.. My point was that childisness, or the ignorance of the child, is not being advocated, only the absence of the belief in personal identification. That identification has a practical value, of course, but "applying that function" is not the same as believing it. OK, then "applying that function" is what I meant by telling you a thousand times that we can't function in life with assuming separation.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 19, 2015 7:45:49 GMT -5
I know what your intention was. I was just funnin ya. I know too, but again I repeated to break your illusion of outer world instability
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Post by enigma on Feb 19, 2015 10:24:53 GMT -5
I know what your intention was. I was just funnin ya. I know too, but again I repeated to break your illusion of outer world instability I have an illusion of outer world instability?? Seems stable enough to me.
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Post by enigma on Feb 19, 2015 10:32:27 GMT -5
My point was that childisness, or the ignorance of the child, is not being advocated, only the absence of the belief in personal identification. That identification has a practical value, of course, but "applying that function" is not the same as believing it. OK, then "applying that function" is what I meant by telling you a thousand times that we can't function in life with assuming separation. Do you mean 'without'? If so, to assume separation means to assume it's true, and you don't need to assume it's true in order to participate in the illusion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 11:10:32 GMT -5
I know too, but again I repeated to break your illusion of outer world instability I have an illusion of outer world instability?? Seems stable enough to me. I know about you, when I say 'yes' you would say 'no', when I say 'no' you would say 'yes', see how funny you are he he. So you are admitting that If a book is there in your table, then somebody must have been kept it there? If you find words and lines in the book, then somebody must have written in it? Do you admit here?
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Post by laughter on Feb 19, 2015 12:20:44 GMT -5
There is awareness, and there is the concept of awareness, and there is a big difference between the two. In the same way, there is what a rock IS, and the concept of what a rock is. I can hold a rock in my hand, but I can't hold a concept of a rock in my hand. There is "what is"--the living truth--, there are distinctions ABOUT "what is," there are distinctions ABOUT distinctions, there are distinctions ABOUT the relationship between distinctions, and there is the manipulation of symbols representing distinctions and the relationship between distinctions. IOW, there is the thing itself (das sing an dich), the idea/concept/distinction of the thing, and the symbol representing the idea/concept/distinction. There is what a rock IS, the distinction of "rock," the word-symbol "rock" that represents the distinction "rock," the numeric symbol that can represent the word-symbol, and the letter symbol that can represent the numeric symbol (as in algebra). Everything (every thing) beyond the isness of what a rock IS is conceptually once, twice, or three times removed from the isness, itself. Iron can't be broken, plastic can be broken such concept has been developed in me after I have directly seen the reality, So is it wrong to conclude this way? The direct seeing doesn't tell you the truth? Sun will raise tomorrow which is a concept developed after I have seen sun raising everyday, Is it too wrong to conclude like this? The mind is a useful tool, it's just that it has limits with respect to self-inquiry.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 12:54:00 GMT -5
Iron can't be broken, plastic can be broken such concept has been developed in me after I have directly seen the reality, So is it wrong to conclude this way? The direct seeing doesn't tell you the truth? Sun will raise tomorrow which is a concept developed after I have seen sun raising everyday, Is it too wrong to conclude like this? The mind is a useful tool, it's just that it has limits with respect to self-inquiry. So you are believing sun will raise tomorrow?
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Post by lolly on Feb 19, 2015 12:56:20 GMT -5
I just stumbled on questions aren't answerable. Sometimes it feels like I think things up and other times it's as though thought occurs to me, and people tell me a lot of spiritual stuff I don't understand. I have no idea if my meditations work or what is supposed to occur that indicates it works. All I do is live a physical life, but there is something of an inner peace that I'm resting in that comes right through me and warms my heart with that bubbly gurgly love feeling, and I don't need anything, so I can sit on the floor for days on end, which tends to bring forth the demons of mind, but you know, they pass on by after a time and I don't really mind much. It just feels like I'm verging on insanity. What I mind most is I have to do other things when I really want to sit on the floor, but I don't have a bunch of monks to pander to me, so I have to maintain myself... and what society demands, but I'm starting to think screw society all together; however, I doubt I really will.
I'm headed of to university to get m'self edgumacated, so in fact, I'm reveling in the social norm, at least I'm pretending to. Pretend is like a kids game, but adults take it very seriously and think it's all very important, but for me who is of the 'screw it' persuasion, it's not important in the least. In the end, hot chicks are the most important thing. They sure grab the attention. Freud was on the money on that account.
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Post by laughter on Feb 19, 2015 13:51:16 GMT -5
The mind is a useful tool, it's just that it has limits with respect to self-inquiry. So you are believing sun will raise tomorrow?
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Post by laughter on Feb 19, 2015 13:53:47 GMT -5
I just stumbled on questions aren't answerable. Sometimes it feels like I think things up and other times it's as though thought occurs to me, and people tell me a lot of spiritual stuff I don't understand. I have no idea if my meditations work or what is supposed to occur that indicates it works. All I do is live a physical life, but there is something of an inner peace that I'm resting in that comes right through me and warms my heart with that bubbly gurgly love feeling, and I don't need anything, so I can sit on the floor for days on end, which tends to bring forth the demons of mind, but you know, they pass on by after a time and I don't really mind much. It just feels like I'm verging on insanity. What I mind most is I have to do other things when I really want to sit on the floor, but I don't have a bunch of monks to pander to me, so I have to maintain myself... and what society demands, but I'm starting to think screw society all together; however, I doubt I really will. I'm headed of to university to get m'self edgumacated, so in fact, I'm reveling in the social norm, at least I'm pretending to. Pretend is like a kids game, but adults take it very seriously and think it's all very important, but for me who is of the 'screw it' persuasion, it's not important in the least. In the end, hot chicks are the most important thing. They sure grab the attention. Freud was on the money on that account. That piece that yer restin' yer ass on when you sit is always there and when yer off in edgeumicationland and can peacefully deal with the authority there, you'll know that the meditation worked. (** ducks **)
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Post by lolly on Feb 19, 2015 14:09:51 GMT -5
I just stumbled on questions aren't answerable. Sometimes it feels like I think things up and other times it's as though thought occurs to me, and people tell me a lot of spiritual stuff I don't understand. I have no idea if my meditations work or what is supposed to occur that indicates it works. All I do is live a physical life, but there is something of an inner peace that I'm resting in that comes right through me and warms my heart with that bubbly gurgly love feeling, and I don't need anything, so I can sit on the floor for days on end, which tends to bring forth the demons of mind, but you know, they pass on by after a time and I don't really mind much. It just feels like I'm verging on insanity. What I mind most is I have to do other things when I really want to sit on the floor, but I don't have a bunch of monks to pander to me, so I have to maintain myself... and what society demands, but I'm starting to think screw society all together; however, I doubt I really will. I'm headed of to university to get m'self edgumacated, so in fact, I'm reveling in the social norm, at least I'm pretending to. Pretend is like a kids game, but adults take it very seriously and think it's all very important, but for me who is of the 'screw it' persuasion, it's not important in the least. In the end, hot chicks are the most important thing. They sure grab the attention. Freud was on the money on that account. That piece that yer restin' yer ass on when you sit is always there and when yer off in edgeumicationland and can peacefully deal with the authority there, you'll know that the meditation worked. (** ducks **)Oh right, it only works when not meditating. Gocha. Yea, they design it purposely to stress everyone out. Makes it seem much more important when we're all highly strung.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 19, 2015 15:51:54 GMT -5
OK, then "applying that function" is what I meant by telling you a thousand times that we can't function in life with assuming separation. Do you mean 'without'? If so, to assume separation means to assume it's true, and you don't need to assume it's true in order to participate in the illusion. Yea, sorry, without.
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