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Post by enigma on Dec 21, 2014 12:37:25 GMT -5
As a first step, perhaps inquire, who is it that evaluates the character? Conditioning remains even if the old identity has collapsed. There's no reason to go to war with it, instead just relax and look, attentively, and see the false for the false. The phenomenal world, the social world, the world of the masks ... this is all a movement of stimuli and response. What used to motivate and serve as impetus before the collapse might not anymore but something else will. Open up and be honest with yourself in inquiry, and let what comes move you. If we are God and we talk to ourselves then wouldn't we be talking to God? Doesn't everyone even enlightened people have an internal dialog going on where we ask ourselves questions? Who is asking who (ego asking God?) (ego asking ego?) Based on what you say, it's God asking God, right?
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Post by enigma on Dec 21, 2014 12:41:25 GMT -5
It's hard to disagree with clulessness. Another way of saying that is that foundation of all agreement is cluelessness. I agree, but I really have no idea.
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Post by freejoy on Dec 22, 2014 8:06:14 GMT -5
Sorry I just don't get it.
What abou virtue?
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Post by enigma on Dec 22, 2014 11:33:58 GMT -5
Sorry I just don't get it. What abou virtue? You don't get what? What about virtue?
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Post by freejoy on Dec 22, 2014 22:54:46 GMT -5
Sorry I just don't get it. What abou virtue? You don't get what? What about virtue? I'm saying that if there is no ego or if the ego is God's tool for creation where does that leave virtue and goodness? Because of all the seeming evil in the world.
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Post by zendancer on Dec 23, 2014 12:03:13 GMT -5
You don't get what? What about virtue? I'm saying that if there is no ego or if the ego is God's tool for creation where does that leave virtue and goodness? Because of all the seeming evil in the world. If you look a little deeper, you will discover that the people you think of as evil are really just ignorant. If you want to understand what's going on, look at the world without judgment. If you don't think ideas about "good" or "evil," what then? Ideas ABOUT the world keep most people separated from the truth. Forget ideas about "ego," "God," "God's tool for creation," "virtue," "selfhood," "other people," etc, and just look with a still mind; look without knowing until ideas no longer obscure the truth. You will be surprised at what can be discovered through internal silence.
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Post by freejoy on Dec 23, 2014 18:52:27 GMT -5
I'm saying that if there is no ego or if the ego is God's tool for creation where does that leave virtue and goodness? Because of all the seeming evil in the world. If you look a little deeper, you will discover that the people you think of as evil are really just ignorant. If you want to understand what's going on, look at the world without judgment. If you don't think ideas about "good" or "evil," what then? Ideas ABOUT the world keep most people separated from the truth. Forget ideas about "ego," "God," "God's tool for creation," "virtue," "selfhood," "other people," etc, and just look with a still mind; look without knowing until ideas no longer obscure the truth. You will be surprised at what can be discovered through internal silence. Sit in silence and everything will be okay. Wait for the mana to fall from heaven.
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Post by laughter on Dec 24, 2014 19:07:27 GMT -5
If you look a little deeper, you will discover that the people you think of as evil are really just ignorant. If you want to understand what's going on, look at the world without judgment. If you don't think ideas about "good" or "evil," what then? Ideas ABOUT the world keep most people separated from the truth. Forget ideas about "ego," "God," "God's tool for creation," "virtue," "selfhood," "other people," etc, and just look with a still mind; look without knowing until ideas no longer obscure the truth. You will be surprised at what can be discovered through internal silence. Sit in silence and everything will be okay. Wait for the mana to fall from heaven. No, everything won't be okay in the sense that you seem to be suggesting it will. Conditions will continue to move based on where they were before you started sitting, and some of that will be pretty not ok in terms of your ideas about it either before or after, it's just that you'll have a different perspective on the movement. Very different. There's no waiting involved.
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Post by enigma on Dec 25, 2014 12:09:39 GMT -5
You don't get what? What about virtue? I'm saying that if there is no ego or if the ego is God's tool for creation where does that leave virtue and goodness? Because of all the seeming evil in the world. Ego is a set of self referencing thoughts; essentially a belief. It's not correct to say there either is or isn't an ego. There's no God, so it's not God's tool. It's not a tool for creation. Evil is the dark side of goodness. One cannot be without the other.
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Post by enigma on Dec 25, 2014 12:14:03 GMT -5
If you look a little deeper, you will discover that the people you think of as evil are really just ignorant. If you want to understand what's going on, look at the world without judgment. If you don't think ideas about "good" or "evil," what then? Ideas ABOUT the world keep most people separated from the truth. Forget ideas about "ego," "God," "God's tool for creation," "virtue," "selfhood," "other people," etc, and just look with a still mind; look without knowing until ideas no longer obscure the truth. You will be surprised at what can be discovered through internal silence. Sit in silence and everything will be okay. Wait for the mana to fall from heaven. He said look with a still mind.
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Post by freejoy on Dec 26, 2014 14:43:18 GMT -5
I'm sure you all are correct I just don't think I have the ability.
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Post by enigma on Dec 26, 2014 15:31:49 GMT -5
I'm sure you all are correct I just don't think I have the ability. Nobody can lack the ability to be effortlessly aware, only the will.
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Post by freejoy on Dec 26, 2014 17:30:02 GMT -5
I'm sure you all are correct I just don't think I have the ability. Nobody can lack the ability to be effortlessly aware, only the will. I guess I can try harder. ?
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Post by laughter on Dec 26, 2014 18:08:58 GMT -5
Nobody can lack the ability to be effortlessly aware, only the will. I guess I can try harder. ? ... relax but don't waver, hold but don't grasp, look without seeing, listen without hearing and be without doing.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 26, 2014 19:25:21 GMT -5
Nobody can lack the ability to be effortlessly aware, only the will. I guess I can try harder. ? You have to have a reason to try harder. Your reason not to be effortlessly aware, must necessarily be self's reason, ego's reason. Ego is the obstruction. You have to choose, will I be the obstruction or will I be effortlessly aware? So E is right, will is the key. Not everyone who runs in the race will win. But you cannot win unless you run. The very definition of ego is mindless automaton. Ego is merely stored continuous-running tape-loops. You have to decide if you are OK with that, or otherwise effortlessly be aware.
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