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Post by laughter on Dec 19, 2014 19:18:24 GMT -5
you can only try to relate your experience where you are and maybe someone else can go further Yes, of course. -- apologies, btw, if I read something into yours that wasn't there, please feel free to correct that. its hard to do that without it becoming a contest It's easy not to make it a contest -- just take folks description of their experience at face value, and cognizant of the notion that every subjective experience is inherently unique. Any ideas that we base on that experience, any theories or models, are going to be fair game though.
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Post by laughter on Dec 19, 2014 19:23:09 GMT -5
there is something that has stuck with me `What do you know for sure ?` andy, can you please elaborate on this some? What do you mean by "know"?
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 19, 2014 19:27:41 GMT -5
you can only try to relate your experience where you are and maybe someone else can go further its hard to do that without it becoming a contest there is something that has stuck with me `What do you know for sure ?` You know that you exist.
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Post by andyparf on Dec 19, 2014 20:15:37 GMT -5
The me I used to think was me is the me that everyone else made me to be and its the same for everyone
We all live a lie, we all keep the illusion going for one another
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 19, 2014 20:45:28 GMT -5
you can only try to relate your experience where you are and maybe someone else can go further its hard to do that without it becoming a contest there is something that has stuck with me ` What do you know for sure ?` This is Jed, what do you know for sure? Have you read Jed McKenna? I'm not necessarily recommending him, but also not not recommending him. I read the first book, Spiritually Enlightenment: The Damnedest Thing, when it first came out, didn't know it was a "made-up" story. Anyway, he recommends spiritual autolysis as a kind of spiritual practice. That simply means, write what's true. You simply write what's true, again and again. I would presume you're going to write less and less........until..........
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Post by laughter on Dec 19, 2014 20:45:46 GMT -5
The me I used to think was me is the me that everyone else made me to be and its the same for everyone We all live a lie, we all keep the illusion going for one another If a liar tells you that he's a liar, what has he told you?
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 19, 2014 20:48:43 GMT -5
The me I used to think was me is the me that everyone else made me to be and its the same for everyone We all live a lie, we all keep the illusion going for one another Yes, bummer. But to be able to see even this much, is a lot, a beginning......... There is something, within everyone, that is not a lie. In some it's more buried, some less buried.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 19, 2014 20:56:28 GMT -5
andyparf, I would invite you to watch the Mooji video. (It's only 14 minutes long).
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Post by freejoy on Dec 19, 2014 23:26:08 GMT -5
the natural state of a person is to be asleep to play your character and never wake up waking up is so hard to do its like fighting against gravity, how can a character become concious that he is not real but just playing a role beyond the character what could you know for sure, nothing, something, conciousness + maya = character As a first step, perhaps inquire, who is it that evaluates the character? Conditioning remains even if the old identity has collapsed. There's no reason to go to war with it, instead just relax and look, attentively, and see the false for the false. The phenomenal world, the social world, the world of the masks ... this is all a movement of stimuli and response. What used to motivate and serve as impetus before the collapse might not anymore but something else will. Open up and be honest with yourself in inquiry, and let what comes move you. If we are God and we talk to ourselves then wouldn't we be talking to God? Doesn't everyone even enlightened people have an internal dialog going on where we ask ourselves questions? Who is asking who (ego asking God?) (ego asking ego?)
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Post by tzujanli on Dec 20, 2014 7:11:01 GMT -5
You/me/we/us/Life are oneness experiencing its own existence, through itself as independently functioning versions of itself.. as an independently functioning version, we are both part AND whole, we exist as separate AND whole and choose the which, or both, we experience.. from which we tell stories about our preferences for our choices..
I know i exist, i know there is separation and i know there is wholeness.. from which i simply pay attention to the happening of existence, and.. i understand the role of clarity, the willingness to let it all go, what you believe and what you know..
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Post by zendancer on Dec 20, 2014 9:23:19 GMT -5
As a first step, perhaps inquire, who is it that evaluates the character? Conditioning remains even if the old identity has collapsed. There's no reason to go to war with it, instead just relax and look, attentively, and see the false for the false. The phenomenal world, the social world, the world of the masks ... this is all a movement of stimuli and response. What used to motivate and serve as impetus before the collapse might not anymore but something else will. Open up and be honest with yourself in inquiry, and let what comes move you. If we are God and we talk to ourselves then wouldn't we be talking to God? Doesn't everyone even enlightened people have an internal dialog going on where we ask ourselves questions? Who is asking who (ego asking God?) (ego asking ego?) First of all, we are not God; we are a tiny aspect of God--a small wave on the surface of the ocean of God. We are one-with God, but we are not the totality of God. What you are calling "God" is inconceivably vast and is beyond human comprehension. Second, in your terminology, yes, God talks to God because God is all there is. Third, enlightened people may or may not have an internal dialog going on; some people have extremely quiet minds and some don't. Some people have quiet minds for a period of time and then they have frenetically-busy minds for a period of time; this changes all the time. I have never met an enlightened human being who was troubled by existential questions; during their search for truth they found the answers to any questions they once had.
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Post by laughter on Dec 20, 2014 14:13:44 GMT -5
As a first step, perhaps inquire, who is it that evaluates the character? Conditioning remains even if the old identity has collapsed. There's no reason to go to war with it, instead just relax and look, attentively, and see the false for the false. The phenomenal world, the social world, the world of the masks ... this is all a movement of stimuli and response. What used to motivate and serve as impetus before the collapse might not anymore but something else will. Open up and be honest with yourself in inquiry, and let what comes move you. If we are God and we talk to ourselves then wouldn't we be talking to God? Doesn't everyone even enlightened people have an internal dialog going on where we ask ourselves questions? Who is asking who (ego asking God?) (ego asking ego?) Creation is fj ... if you think in terms of God this way then you're thinking in terms of something outside of creation and separate from yourself -- you're turning God into an object ... instead, just see that creation happens. This question about who is asking who what is a good one. It's always good to ask "is that ego?" You can only answer that question for yourself, right? Ego always wants something or wants to reject something or take something from someone else or throw something at them. If there is no other there can be no ego but obviously ... there appears to be this other typing these words to you ... who is reading them?
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Post by enigma on Dec 21, 2014 12:25:39 GMT -5
Like SDP, I, too, warn people about this website. Most people who visit this site will have their viewpoints and statements attacked/challenged/questioned/derided/mocked/etc., and unless they are extremely self confident, or have a certain degree of realization, they will usually leave and search for sites that are less confrontational. I know this because of PM's and emails I've received from people who were frightened by what they encountered here. I always tell them that this is a rough neighborhood and not one for those who are faint of heart. Ha ha. For this reason we have many lurkers here who never post. I think it's hardest for folks that claim some level of realization or whatever. For the clueless it's not so bad. It's hard to disagree with clulessness.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 12:32:06 GMT -5
I think it's hardest for folks that claim some level of realization or whatever. For the clueless it's not so bad. It's hard to disagree with clulessness. Another way of saying that is that foundation of all agreement is cluelessness.
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Post by enigma on Dec 21, 2014 12:33:25 GMT -5
The me I used to think was me is the me that everyone else made me to be and its the same for everyone We all live a lie, we all keep the illusion going for one another And if we don't, somebody will come along and warn you that we're coming, and tell you to hold your ground.
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