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Post by Reefs on Nov 27, 2013 10:35:10 GMT -5
This is an excellent demonstration of the usefulness of mocking by the way. The conversation devolved into nearly pure trolling a few pages back. Mockery is a great way to either end or reset a conversation. Deal with it ... if you choose to read the words you have to take responsibility for the meaning you make of them. Grow. The. F#ck. Up. Okay, here's what's going on at the moment: Andy spends most of his time in the unmoderated section complaining about what's happening in the unmoderated section. When asked why? He basically says, after a lot of dodging questions for specifics, that he has actually no problem with what's going on in the unmoderated section. Makes sense?
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Post by laughter on Nov 27, 2013 10:35:32 GMT -5
Deal with it ... if you choose to read the words you have to take responsibility for the meaning you make of them. Grow. The. F#ck. Up. I have no problem with that. But equally, do you take responsibility for mental and emotional (and physical) harm that you could potentially cause through mocking? Well you see here you want to try to strike up a serious conversation again. What exactly is my incentive? Have you ever seen the "Charlie Brown" cartoons?
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Post by andrew on Nov 27, 2013 10:36:10 GMT -5
no, you are not on holiday season? Washington Monument?
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Post by laughter on Nov 27, 2013 10:36:48 GMT -5
This is an excellent demonstration of the usefulness of mocking by the way. The conversation devolved into nearly pure trolling a few pages back. Mockery is a great way to either end or reset a conversation. Deal with it ... if you choose to read the words you have to take responsibility for the meaning you make of them. Grow. The. F#ck. Up. Okay, here's what's going on at the moment: Andy spends most of his time in the unmoderated section complaining about what's happening in the unmoderated section. When asked why? He basically says, after a lot of dodging questions for specifics, that he has actually no problem with what's going on in the unmoderated section. Makes sense? Yes, perfect sense because he said that he's actually posting in his sleep! Man, that Ambien's some wicked stuff!
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Post by andrew on Nov 27, 2013 10:37:31 GMT -5
This is an excellent demonstration of the usefulness of mocking by the way. The conversation devolved into nearly pure trolling a few pages back. Mockery is a great way to either end or reset a conversation. Deal with it ... if you choose to read the words you have to take responsibility for the meaning you make of them. Grow. The. F#ck. Up. Okay, here's what's going on at the moment: Andy spends most of his time in the unmoderated section complaining about what's happening in the unmoderated section. When asked why? He basically says, after a lot of dodging questions for specifics, that he has actually no problem with what's going on in the unmoderated section. Makes sense? I don't have a problem with what's happening in unmoderated section, but that doesn't mean that I don't see potential harm in mocking.
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Post by Reefs on Nov 27, 2013 10:42:13 GMT -5
Deal with it ... if you choose to read the words you have to take responsibility for the meaning you make of them. Grow. The. F#ck. Up. I have no problem with that. But equally, do you take responsibility for mental and emotional (and physical) harm that you could potentially cause through mocking? Okay, since you are unable to drop this. Let me ask you: 1) Are you an adult? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 2) Are you of sound mind? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 3) Do you come here to the forum and read/post of your own accord? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 4) Do you realize that you are in the unmoderated section? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 5) Do you realize that currently you spend most of your time in the unmoderated section? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 6) Are you familiar with the rules of the unmoderated section? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 7) Do you take responsibility for your actions? [ ] Yes. [ ] No.
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Post by Reefs on Nov 27, 2013 10:44:30 GMT -5
Okay, here's what's going on at the moment: Andy spends most of his time in the unmoderated section complaining about what's happening in the unmoderated section. When asked why? He basically says, after a lot of dodging questions for specifics, that he has actually no problem with what's going on in the unmoderated section. Makes sense? I don't have a problem with what's happening in unmoderated section, but that doesn't mean that I don't see potential harm in mocking. Then let us talk about the potential harm your consistent passive aggressiveness and backhanded maneuvering can cause.
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Post by andrew on Nov 27, 2013 10:45:25 GMT -5
I have no problem with that. But equally, do you take responsibility for mental and emotional (and physical) harm that you could potentially cause through mocking? Well you see here you want to try to strike up a serious conversation again. What exactly is my incentive? Have you ever seen the "Charlie Brown" cartoons? Your incentive? I don't know. I can't offer you one. It would perhaps depend on your initial purpose for the thread/O.P and I don't know what that was.
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Post by lolly on Nov 27, 2013 10:45:29 GMT -5
I did think there was insincerity, but also, I did see the initial indicators of the blame stage when you said 'do you see yourself as a person' (but I would have sounded paranoid if the indicated that) so I waited until a clear 'ask for it' before indicating it. I'm astounded that there's any question about mockery being hurtful... and like I said, any 5 year old gets that. The questioning from are you a person to does it hurt and you ask for it, does seem insincere to me I'm afraid. You do understand that here you're implicitly endorsing a fire with fire model, right? My question was a bit more compartmentalized than that though. I was simply curious as to whether you could discern that your reply to Silver could have been construed as mocking. It seems that you've answered "yeah ... but ... you deserved it...". Not that I wouldn't agree with that btw ... but what interests me at this point is whether you recognize the pattern when you're the source of it. It'd be a stretch to read mockery into my response to Silver, and I see no indicators of it whatsoever. The mockery was endemic at st.org long before I started up, and I saw quite severe bouts of it when I was a very occasional participant... so, obviously, I'm not the source. The pattern is what it is and I merely recognize it. In most instances where mockery is frequent, the same kind of cycle is present. In other conflict areas, such as bullying, domestic violence and family abuse, cycles are well documented in the literature along with example case studies. The important thing, which is almost always neglected, is to break the cycle... which is a somewhat uncontrollable behavior pattern which perpetrators play out repetitively. Most often, the victims escape (eventually), or are rescued perhaps, and the person exhibiting the behavior isn't helped, though they might not see it as their fault, and blame is quite the problem in that regard. Other that that, they might recognize a problem but that doesn't mean they want to receive help... and then, they often see the behavior as helpful and call is such things as 'tough love' or 'for your own good' or 'spare the rod spoil the child', and crap like that.
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Post by andrew on Nov 27, 2013 10:52:29 GMT -5
I have no problem with that. But equally, do you take responsibility for mental and emotional (and physical) harm that you could potentially cause through mocking? Okay, since you are unable to drop this. Let me ask you: 1) Are you an adult? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 2) Are you of sound mind? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 3) Do you come here to the forum and read/post of your own accord? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 4) Do you realize that you are in the unmoderated section? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 5) Do you realize that currently you spend most of your time in the unmoderated section? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 6) Are you familiar with the rules of the unmoderated section? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 7) Do you take responsibility for your actions? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. How about you answer the question I asked instead.
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Post by andrew on Nov 27, 2013 10:54:35 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with what's happening in unmoderated section, but that doesn't mean that I don't see potential harm in mocking. Then let us talk about the potential harm your consistent passive aggressiveness and backhanded maneuvering can cause. The subject is mocking. I don't think passive aggression and backhanded maneuvering is fine. If I do that, I acknowledge that ego is playing itself out, and if I cause harm through it, I'm sorry. Now, what about mocking?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 10:59:42 GMT -5
This is an excellent demonstration of the usefulness of mocking by the way. The conversation devolved into nearly pure trolling a few pages back. Mockery is a great way to either end or reset a conversation. Deal with it ... if you choose to read the words you have to take responsibility for the meaning you make of them. Grow. The. F#ck. Up. Okay, here's what's going on at the moment: Andy spends most of his time in the unmoderated section complaining about what's happening in the unmoderated section. When asked why? He basically says, after a lot of dodging questions for specifics, that he has actually no problem with what's going on in the unmoderated section. Makes sense? Can you see that there is a difference between actively trying to stop something from happening, (to put an end to mocking in the unmoderated section) and simply stating an opinion about the potential dangers of mocking? Like Andrew, I very much agree that the extreme and mean-spirited mocking that sometimes goes on here, is indeed reckless and could result in more harm than merely just being annoying or irritating to the one being mocked. As i see it, the potential for harm vastly outweighs any payoff the one doing the mocking is receiving through expressing in that way. My question to those here who are defending the rightness of mocking; Why is it so important for you to mock? And for you in particular Reefs: Do you ever have a moment of introspection where you look at the way you interact with other here? If you were to encounter someone with similar social skills and ways of interaction that you regularly demonstrate here, how would you regard them? I ask it that way, as you seem to be chock full of opinions about others, but not so much in the way of insight about yourself. Perhaps if you can imagine someone who interacted with you in the same way you so often interact with others here, you'll see what some of us are talking about. In a post in another thread, you suggested that I regularly engage in food fights on this forum and suggested that this is a negative thing. Again, if you judge my behavior on this forum as being 'negative' how do you view your own? I've noticed you are very good at asking questions of others, and demanding answers, but not so good at answering questions directed at you. Why is that?
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Post by Reefs on Nov 27, 2013 12:43:00 GMT -5
Okay, since you are unable to drop this. Let me ask you: 1) Are you an adult? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 2) Are you of sound mind? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 3) Do you come here to the forum and read/post of your own accord? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 4) Do you realize that you are in the unmoderated section? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 5) Do you realize that currently you spend most of your time in the unmoderated section? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 6) Are you familiar with the rules of the unmoderated section? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 7) Do you take responsibility for your actions? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. How about you answer the question I asked instead. I didn't see you ask me a question. Got a link? In the meantime you can answer this: 1) Are you an adult? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 2) Are you of sound mind? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 3) Do you come here to the forum and read/post of your own accord? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 4) Do you realize that you are in the unmoderated section? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 5) Do you realize that currently you spend most of your time in the unmoderated section? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 6) Are you familiar with the rules of the unmoderated section? [ ] Yes. [ ] No. 7) Do you take responsibility for your actions? [ ] Yes. [ ] No.
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Post by Reefs on Nov 27, 2013 12:44:57 GMT -5
Then let us talk about the potential harm your consistent passive aggressiveness and backhanded maneuvering can cause. The subject is mocking. I don't think passive aggression and backhanded maneuvering is fine. If I do that, I acknowledge that ego is playing itself out, and if I cause harm through it, I'm sorry. Now, what about mocking? Your subject is an association fallacy, i.e. the nazi card, my friend. Three times in a row already.
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Post by Reefs on Nov 27, 2013 12:48:04 GMT -5
My question to those here who are defending the rightness of mocking; Why is it so important for you to mock? Sounds like another logical fallacy.
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