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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 12:27:53 GMT -5
In conversation it is quite usual to refer to the words the other has used - isn't it? If you don't want war, then you have to turn your focus away from war and ignore everything war-like. That's LOA 101. But that requires a certain power of focus which you obviously don't have or else you wouldn't just wherever the discussion goes. Basically the topic you want to explore here is forum meltdowns. I find that pretty odd. Isn't the highlighting of someone's word choice representative of that same kind of focus? *blood-curdling battle cry* And leaf's battle percentage is about 2.45% vs. your 4.92% on "war"/all words word usage. Obviously your war focus is greater.
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Post by silver on Nov 25, 2013 12:35:15 GMT -5
In conversation it is quite usual to refer to the words the other has used - isn't it? If you don't want war, then you have to turn your focus away from war and ignore everything war-like. That's LOA 101. But that requires a certain power of focus which you obviously don't have or else you wouldn't just go wherever the discussion goes. Basically the topic you want to explore here is forum meltdowns. I find that pretty odd. It's troll-like. Just my impression though. Yea that wasn't predictable.
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Post by enigma on Nov 25, 2013 13:04:42 GMT -5
I believe I know you from another forum. Is that also a problem? I had never heard of the forum that you said you knew me from, so without doubt, I am not the member that you think you know. Your continued belief in your illusion of me isn't a problem - but neither is it my imagination that this is what you think, so thankfully that is cleared up. However, if you let your perception of the person in your head cloud your view of me, then that has the potential to lead to problems in communication, due to the preconceptions you hold of the 'other' person. Is it possible that this illusion influenced the overwhelm or insanity felt on the other thread? And if you don't mind me asking, who was the person you think I am - or more to the point, what was your relationship like with him/her or your perception of him/her? I don't have an image about you from elsewhere, but there's one forming about your interactions here. I've pretty much got you pegged as a whining troublemaker. Does that pretty much agree with your own self image?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 13:08:29 GMT -5
I had never heard of the forum that you said you knew me from, so without doubt, I am not the member that you think you know. Your continued belief in your illusion of me isn't a problem - but neither is it my imagination that this is what you think, so thankfully that is cleared up. However, if you let your perception of the person in your head cloud your view of me, then that has the potential to lead to problems in communication, due to the preconceptions you hold of the 'other' person. Is it possible that this illusion influenced the overwhelm or insanity felt on the other thread? And if you don't mind me asking, who was the person you think I am - or more to the point, what was your relationship like with him/her or your perception of him/her? I don't have an image about you from elsewhere, but there's one forming about your interactions here. I've pretty much got you pegged as a whining troublemaker. Does that pretty much agree with your own self image? It does seem like you must have some sort of image about her because you thought you knew her previously. There must be something there.
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Post by silence on Nov 25, 2013 17:28:46 GMT -5
I don't have an image about you from elsewhere, but there's one forming about your interactions here. I've pretty much got you pegged as a whining troublemaker. Does that pretty much agree with your own self image? It does seem like you must have some sort of image about her because you thought you knew her previously. There must be something there. Mucho strange.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 18:34:06 GMT -5
I put it in the unmoderated section so that people could express themselves honestly without the thread being disrupted and put in multiple sections. I do believe that people can have heated discussion and let the discussion move forward with enough respectful tolerance of misunderstandings and the patience to explain further. I realise I can only express a preference. But I'm expressing that preference because I don't see any need for every unmoderated thread to go the same way. Adults can self-moderate. I hope that you can see more than premium food fight material here, and can offer instead, some insights into what is happening when someone goes into a fog, or gets overwhelmed on a thread. It is an interesting subject that has the potential for spiritual exploration. You are on a non-duality forum here. I don't see the connection to non-duality in your endeavor. Clarity or lack thereof has no connection to non-duality?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 18:38:54 GMT -5
I don't have an image about you from elsewhere, but there's one forming about your interactions here. I've pretty much got you pegged as a whining troublemaker. Does that pretty much agree with your own self image? Hmmm.....I'd put money on the fact that the person you thought Autumnleaf was from your past, just happens to also be a 'whining troublemaker, in your opinion, too.
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Post by enigma on Nov 25, 2013 18:57:06 GMT -5
What does that have to do with anything? You said: Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/3215/falling-fog#ixzz2lUIfKtLkId' say that in insisting that you know Autumnleaf from a previous forum experience (despite her assertions that this is not so) you were doing just that. Autumnleaf wasn't 'imagining' that...it was right there in black & white. Indeed, You seemed very certain that you and Autumn know each other and made no bones about that. Are you still maintaining that you and Autumn know each other?? I don't remember insisting and I don't remember her asserting otherwise (until now). I also don't remember saying what forum it was because I really don't know. If I mentioned a forum it was just a guess. I do remember saying something about not having any history with her worth mentioning. I could easily be mistaken, but I fail to see what difference it makes if I know her or not. I'm not fitting her into some past role as you imagine. The role I'm fitting her into is based on my observations of her in this forum. My as$essment of Autumn so far (and it's just an opinion) is that she loves the drama and looks for trouble, and has suckered you (and me) into playing along. There's no cause for litigation here unless you want to indict Autumn, in which case I don't mind being on the witness list for the prosecution.
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Post by enigma on Nov 25, 2013 19:07:43 GMT -5
I believe I know you from another forum. Is that also a problem? It sure as heck could be if you are wrong. What it means is that you believe something about Autumn that is not so...you have her 'pegged' in a sense regarding her position and outlook on these subjects...it would explain that you did not come empty to your conversation with her but rather allowed your memories of some other person to cloud your present moment experience with Autumnleaf. I find it interesting the confidence with which you made that assertion, even in the face of Autumnleaf not recognizing you. I'd say, Your confidence that you have others here 'pegged' gets in the way of coming empty to each conversation you have with them. I don't remember stating it with confidence. What did that look like? Was it the tone of my voice or the way I held my head high? I thought I remembered the screen name, and some vague recollections about the person associated with that name doing some word lawyering, but that's about it. Nothing that I could, or would, bring into this forum. I also don't see where I failed to 'come empty'. You're painting up a storm right now, Figs, and you've got nothing at all to go on. This is a witch hunt, pure and simple. Do you think if I threw myself on the mercy of the court that I could get a suspended sentence?
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Post by enigma on Nov 25, 2013 19:10:28 GMT -5
You said: Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/3215/falling-fog#ixzz2lUIfKtLkId' say that in insisting that you know Autumnleaf from a previous forum experience (despite her assertions that this is not so) you were doing just that. Autumnleaf wasn't 'imagining' that...it was right there in black & white. Indeed, You seemed very certain that you and Autumn know each other and made no bones about that. Are you still maintaining that you and Autumn know each other?? Suuurre ... ignore the whole conversation about 'leaf as a potential surrogate for Tzu', an idea that was explicitly projected onto E, and fits the characterization just as well. How do you know that that's what E' was referring to with the words "known other"? Was 'leaf explicit about that term before you took it to mean that? -- here, I'll save you the research time: the answer is no, she wasn't. Gettin' pretty foggy in here. Yeah, I as$umed she was talking about the Tzu incident, since that's what she went on and on about at the time.
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Post by enigma on Nov 25, 2013 19:13:22 GMT -5
I would prefer if this thread didn't just deteriorate into an extension of the 'false accusations' thread. Nothing was cleared up on that thread and it was nothing short of unnecessary harassment. But I've let that go and am instead trying to find some understanding of people who were involved. Laughter, you said that you were in a 'fog' on that thread. So what is the fog you fall into? Why do you do that? Is it something you enjoy (like intoxixating), is it an addiction or an adrenaline rush? etc That's what this thread is about. The bestest way to avoid that is to not make false accusations.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 19:15:49 GMT -5
I don't remember insisting and I don't remember her asserting otherwise (until now). Ah...well, I do recall her correcting you and you continuing to say no, that's where the 'insisting' came from. Actually, I'm pretty sure you specified the Pavlina forum....It piqued my interest when I saw that, 'cause as you may recall....I was there too. I was trying to place Autumnleaf there, but came up empty. Can't imagine who you thought she was...... And perhaps I have it wrong, but seems to me that you stated is 'was' the pavlina forum. You seemed pretty sure, and again, that's what got me trying to place Autumn on the Pavlina Forum. The fact that you thought you knew her, but are wrong about that, indicates that your perceptions about her are at the very least a 'little murky.' I mean come on E...you were pretty sure you and she had met before and you were wrong.....right there, she was not who you 'thought' she was. I think she's interested in trying to understand where others here are coming from and she's not afraid to be direct....I'm impressed with the fact that so far, she can do that without getting personal or ugly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 19:18:14 GMT -5
I don't remember stating it with confidence. What did that look like? Was it the tone of my voice or the way I held my head high? It was the way you stated you and Autumn knowing each other from a previous forum as fact...and then went on to continue to say, 'yes' when asked about knowing her....even though she was saying 'no.' I don't think it's such a stretch to think that if you thought Autumn was someone you already knew, and you did not actually know her, that your assessment of her then, was at least a little bit wrong..? Your thinking you had already met her was at least a tiny drop of tea of your cup?
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Post by enigma on Nov 25, 2013 19:19:10 GMT -5
Then I suggest you continue making references to the 'false accusations' thread, insist on being right and keep the discussion as personal as possible. Indeed, pretty foggy in here. I can only try to keep some sobriety here. as the thread says, it is an attempt to understand others. You are welcome to try to understand me too Reefs. the fogginess and overwhelm is what other people described their experience as. It's not my personal judgement of anyone. Hopefully it won't become a them against us kind of thing... it would be more beneficial to discuss the points being made. This thread is a good example of the insanity that 'overwhelms' me at times. I don't have to take medication or breath into a paper bag or nuthin, it's just a level of insanity and unconsciousness that can't be dealt with in conventional ways, so a 'normal' conversation is out of the question.
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Post by enigma on Nov 25, 2013 19:24:11 GMT -5
I can only try to keep some sobriety here. as the thread says, it is an attempt to understand others. You are welcome to try to understand me too Reefs. the fogginess and overwhelm is what other people described their experience as. It's not my personal judgement of anyone. Hopefully it won't become a them against us kind of thing... it would be more beneficial to discuss the points being made. Okay. Two odd observations about this thread: 1) You don't want food fights happening in your thread and yet you did start your thread in the unmoderated section? I don't know what you were thinking when you did that but forum history shows that you can't protect your thread against food fighters without heavy moderation. So your thread seems a little misplaced. 2) You don't want food fights happening in your thread and yet the topic of this thread is premium food fight material. Apparently, she wants to start a fight but she also wants to deny any interest in or responsibility for it. I expect her to stomp off in righteous indignation a few times before we're done here.
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