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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 2:39:29 GMT -5
Wasn't it you who insisted that you knew Autumnleaf from another forum? What does that have to do with anything? Lol, well it has to do with your post that apparently I imagined it all
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 2:44:24 GMT -5
If you are feeling overwhelmed by the insanity, haven't you already taken it too far for yourself? If the insanity is overwhelming, it seems like an appropriate response. Is that what you're working on now, or are you pretty much convinced you have some real issues to address with peeps here? I don't have issues with anyone here. I am interested in understanding people and whether you are aware of your own journey.
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Post by enigma on Nov 23, 2013 10:22:16 GMT -5
What does that have to do with anything? Lol, well it has to do with your post that apparently I imagined it all I believe I know you from another forum. Is that also a problem?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 10:45:16 GMT -5
Lol, well it has to do with your post that apparently I imagined it all I believe I know you from another forum. Is that also a problem? I had never heard of the forum that you said you knew me from, so without doubt, I am not the member that you think you know. Your continued belief in your illusion of me isn't a problem - but neither is it my imagination that this is what you think, so thankfully that is cleared up. However, if you let your perception of the person in your head cloud your view of me, then that has the potential to lead to problems in communication, due to the preconceptions you hold of the 'other' person. Is it possible that this illusion influenced the overwhelm or insanity felt on the other thread? And if you don't mind me asking, who was the person you think I am - or more to the point, what was your relationship like with him/her or your perception of him/her?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 11:43:47 GMT -5
Wasn't it you who insisted that you knew Autumnleaf from another forum? What does that have to do with anything? You said: Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/3215/falling-fog#ixzz2lUIfKtLkId' say that in insisting that you know Autumnleaf from a previous forum experience (despite her assertions that this is not so) you were doing just that. Autumnleaf wasn't 'imagining' that...it was right there in black & white. Indeed, You seemed very certain that you and Autumn know each other and made no bones about that. Are you still maintaining that you and Autumn know each other??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2013 11:51:53 GMT -5
Lol, well it has to do with your post that apparently I imagined it all I believe I know you from another forum. Is that also a problem? It sure as heck could be if you are wrong. What it means is that you believe something about Autumn that is not so...you have her 'pegged' in a sense regarding her position and outlook on these subjects...it would explain that you did not come empty to your conversation with her but rather allowed your memories of some other person to cloud your present moment experience with Autumnleaf. I find it interesting the confidence with which you made that assertion, even in the face of Autumnleaf not recognizing you. I'd say, Your confidence that you have others here 'pegged' gets in the way of coming empty to each conversation you have with them.
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Post by laughter on Nov 23, 2013 19:37:32 GMT -5
What does that have to do with anything? You said: Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/3215/falling-fog#ixzz2lUIfKtLkId' say that in insisting that you know Autumnleaf from a previous forum experience (despite her assertions that this is not so) you were doing just that. Autumnleaf wasn't 'imagining' that...it was right there in black & white. Indeed, You seemed very certain that you and Autumn know each other and made no bones about that. Are you still maintaining that you and Autumn know each other?? Suuurre ... ignore the whole conversation about 'leaf as a potential surrogate for Tzu', an idea that was explicitly projected onto E, and fits the characterization just as well. How do you know that that's what E' was referring to with the words "known other"? Was 'leaf explicit about that term before you took it to mean that? -- here, I'll save you the research time: the answer is no, she wasn't. Gettin' pretty foggy in here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 3:08:18 GMT -5
I would prefer if this thread didn't just deteriorate into an extension of the 'false accusations' thread. Nothing was cleared up on that thread and it was nothing short of unnecessary harassment.
But I've let that go and am instead trying to find some understanding of people who were involved.
Laughter, you said that you were in a 'fog' on that thread.
So what is the fog you fall into? Why do you do that? Is it something you enjoy (like intoxixating), is it an addiction or an adrenaline rush? etc
That's what this thread is about.
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Post by Reefs on Nov 24, 2013 6:29:21 GMT -5
I would prefer if this thread didn't just deteriorate into an extension of the 'false accusations' thread. Nothing was cleared up on that thread and it was nothing short of unnecessary harassment. But I've let that go and am instead trying to find some understanding of people who were involved. Laughter, you said that you were in a 'fog' on that thread. So what is the fog you fall into? Why do you do that? Is it something you enjoy (like intoxixating), is it an addiction or an adrenaline rush? etc That's what this thread is about. Then I suggest you continue making references to the 'false accusations' thread, insist on being right and keep the discussion as personal as possible. Indeed, pretty foggy in here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 7:37:33 GMT -5
I would prefer if this thread didn't just deteriorate into an extension of the 'false accusations' thread. Nothing was cleared up on that thread and it was nothing short of unnecessary harassment. But I've let that go and am instead trying to find some understanding of people who were involved. Laughter, you said that you were in a 'fog' on that thread. So what is the fog you fall into? Why do you do that? Is it something you enjoy (like intoxixating), is it an addiction or an adrenaline rush? etc That's what this thread is about. Then I suggest you continue making references to the 'false accusations' thread, insist on being right and keep the discussion as personal as possible. Indeed, pretty foggy in here. I can only try to keep some sobriety here. as the thread says, it is an attempt to understand others. You are welcome to try to understand me too Reefs. the fogginess and overwhelm is what other people described their experience as. It's not my personal judgement of anyone. Hopefully it won't become a them against us kind of thing... it would be more beneficial to discuss the points being made.
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Post by Reefs on Nov 24, 2013 10:38:05 GMT -5
Then I suggest you continue making references to the 'false accusations' thread, insist on being right and keep the discussion as personal as possible. Indeed, pretty foggy in here. I can only try to keep some sobriety here. as the thread says, it is an attempt to understand others. You are welcome to try to understand me too Reefs. the fogginess and overwhelm is what other people described their experience as. It's not my personal judgement of anyone. Hopefully it won't become a them against us kind of thing... it would be more beneficial to discuss the points being made. Okay. Two odd observations about this thread: 1) You don't want food fights happening in your thread and yet you did start your thread in the unmoderated section? I don't know what you were thinking when you did that but forum history shows that you can't protect your thread against food fighters without heavy moderation. So your thread seems a little misplaced. 2) You don't want food fights happening in your thread and yet the topic of this thread is premium food fight material.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 11:29:09 GMT -5
I can only try to keep some sobriety here. as the thread says, it is an attempt to understand others. You are welcome to try to understand me too Reefs. the fogginess and overwhelm is what other people described their experience as. It's not my personal judgement of anyone. Hopefully it won't become a them against us kind of thing... it would be more beneficial to discuss the points being made. Okay. Two odd observations about this thread: 1) You don't want food fights happening in your thread and yet you did start your thread in the unmoderated section? I don't know what you were thinking when you did that but forum history shows that you can't protect your thread against food fighters without heavy moderation. So your thread seems a little misplaced. 2) You don't want food fights happening in your thread and yet the topic of this thread is premium food fight material. I put it in the unmoderated section so that people could express themselves honestly without the thread being disrupted and put in multiple sections. I do believe that people can have heated discussion and let the discussion move forward with enough respectful tolerance of misunderstandings and the patience to explain further. I realise I can only express a preference. But I'm expressing that preference because I don't see any need for every unmoderated thread to go the same way. Adults can self-moderate. I hope that you can see more than premium food fight material here, and can offer instead, some insights into what is happening when someone goes into a fog, or gets overwhelmed on a thread. It is an interesting subject that has the potential for spiritual exploration.
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Post by laughter on Nov 24, 2013 11:37:31 GMT -5
I would prefer if this thread didn't just deteriorate into an extension of the 'false accusations' thread. Nothing was cleared up on that thread and it was nothing short of unnecessary harassment. But I've let that go and am instead trying to find some understanding of people who were involved. Laughter, you said that you were in a 'fog' on that thread. So what is the fog you fall into? Why do you do that? Is it something you enjoy (like intoxixating), is it an addiction or an adrenaline rush? etc That's what this thread is about. Ok, to my eye there are quite a few self-contradictions in that but before I even go near them just one specific question and one choice for you: 1) You do understand that I made no reference to FA in my reply to figgles right? My reply to her had nothing to do with the FA thread. Now I know that the OP in this thread is about FA, but what I wrote had nothing to do with FA. .... now, we can drop this right now on either that ground, or these grounds: 'leaf, I see that you've deleted your account. You are always welcome back at any time. Peter and I had discussed the Gloria' situation in private and had arrived at the decision to drop the matter from consideration. If you'd like to know more, I'll be more than happy to fill you in. No shame in deleting an account, so if you do re-incarnate, you can choose either to announce it or not, no worries either way. Which do you prefer? If you reply that you're interested in me and my fog, it's not my fog at that point, it becomes your fog, do you understand that? I've got no interest in arguing any of this, but there's simply no way to discuss it without an argument. Now, please, take a moment and a breath to recognize that your disagreeing with that would be the start of the argument. It would be the fog before the fog. The argument over the question of whether argument is necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 11:55:43 GMT -5
It needn't be an argument Laughter. I could certainly discuss the psychology of falling into a fog, as I have done on other sites I am a member of.
There have been times in my life where I have fallen into a fog... and that is something that I've worked on and come out the other side of. I am struggling to see it as something that is enjoyable or healthy.
However, I am open to there being a possibility that it is fun or healthy. So I related it to getting stoned... something I did when I was a youngster - and if the fog was that kind of fog, then it is probably healthier than the way I did it.
You see a need for argument, because that's what you are expecting or looking for. But actually, I am genuinely trying to understand and to expand my quite narrow view of being in a 'fog' as being problematic.
And if it is problematic, I can actually be quite compassionate and perhaps share the methods that I used to get out of the fogginess that I've experienced in the past.
I'm not criticising, belittling or mocking. That isn't something I'm interested in doing on this site. I've not done it yet, and I'm not about to, however people may perceive me.
So no, there is no need or asking for argumentativeness here. It could be an interesting and beneficial discussion. But if you can only see the necessity to argue, then I would prefer you to walk away.
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Post by laughter on Nov 24, 2013 12:39:46 GMT -5
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