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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2013 14:25:52 GMT -5
I have read on the 'false accusation' thread, people describe their experience of that kind of thread as 'falling into the fog', 'overwhelmed' and the 'insanity'.
I get involved in threads like that when there is a need to do so. But I focus on that need and what it's all about - and other times, I feel no pull towards those intense threads. As I mentioned to somebody on the 'false accusation' thread, I'm aware that I can't stand that intensity for long... I go into it aware of what I'm doing, and am conscious of when to stop. There is no point where I feel I'm falling into a fog, maybe because I don't like that feeling, so I choose not to go there.
However, I enjoy letting the material worlds fall away and exploring different states of consciousness. So what I am wondering is whether what people describe as 'the fog', overwhelm or 'insanity', is a similar kind of exploration? Certainly, those descriptions suggest that the person loses hold of what they have previously known. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 17:30:41 GMT -5
No? Ok, well just observing the threads that draw people in,and the time that people spend in multiple threads... I suspect there is an element of addiction (or at the very least attachment) to...something.
The fog? I don't know... is that losing the mind? Is it a contrived feeling of being separate from the self? Is that the feeling of oneness that people experience from being here?
It's not for me, that's not to say it isn't needed by someone else. But does anyone recognise why they are drawn to the flames?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 17:45:35 GMT -5
Personally, I don't pay much attention to threads. I primarily just read posts and if the post moves me in some way I may or may not reply. There's not a whole lot of integrity to threads per se. It's kinda like a party and there are discussions going on everywhere. Maybe someone starts a conversation around something in particular but there are no rules saying it has to stay on that subject and eventually they all devolve. That said there are certain 'threads' which may be considered more like different sections for different purposes. Poetry, for instance, stays poetry for the most part.
When I've heard fog used it's mostly in a pejorative way, it seems. For example, 'enjoy the fog' seems to be the insult of choice from someone thinking they have great clarity to someone who they think has very little clarity.
When I've used 'fog' to describe my own experience it refers to a state of mind where there is a dominance of purely conceptual or thinkingness. Like daydreaming but maybe not as fun all the time.
What do you mean by 'flames'? Drama?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 13:59:51 GMT -5
Personally, I don't pay much attention to threads. I primarily just read posts and if the post moves me in some way I may or may not reply. There's not a whole lot of integrity to threads per se. It's kinda like a party and there are discussions going on everywhere. Maybe someone starts a conversation around something in particular but there are no rules saying it has to stay on that subject and eventually they all devolve. That said there are certain 'threads' which may be considered more like different sections for different purposes. Poetry, for instance, stays poetry for the most part. When I've heard fog used it's mostly in a pejorative way, it seems. For example, 'enjoy the fog' seems to be the insult of choice from someone thinking they have great clarity to someone who they think has very little clarity. When I've used 'fog' to describe my own experience it refers to a state of mind where there is a dominance of purely conceptual or thinkingness. Like daydreaming but maybe not as fun all the time. What do you mean by 'flames'? Drama? By flames, I mean heated discussion points. For me, heated moments have brought about change in me/in life, so fire makes a good metaphor for them. Fog, is something that I relate to being intoxicated and I wonder if people here are finding a certain intoxication from the heated discussions, whether it is almost addictive, like the adrenaline rush or something. I don't know, that's why I brought it up... to understand. Maybe nobody knows. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 14:16:30 GMT -5
Personally, I don't pay much attention to threads. I primarily just read posts and if the post moves me in some way I may or may not reply. There's not a whole lot of integrity to threads per se. It's kinda like a party and there are discussions going on everywhere. Maybe someone starts a conversation around something in particular but there are no rules saying it has to stay on that subject and eventually they all devolve. That said there are certain 'threads' which may be considered more like different sections for different purposes. Poetry, for instance, stays poetry for the most part. When I've heard fog used it's mostly in a pejorative way, it seems. For example, 'enjoy the fog' seems to be the insult of choice from someone thinking they have great clarity to someone who they think has very little clarity. When I've used 'fog' to describe my own experience it refers to a state of mind where there is a dominance of purely conceptual or thinkingness. Like daydreaming but maybe not as fun all the time. What do you mean by 'flames'? Drama? By flames, I mean heated discussion points. For me, heated moments have brought about change in me/in life, so fire makes a good metaphor for them. Fog, is something that I relate to being intoxicated and I wonder if people here are finding a certain intoxication from the heated discussions, whether it is almost addictive, like the adrenaline rush or something. I don't know, that's why I brought it up... to understand. Maybe nobody knows. certainly I don't know. The andrew/fig vs. enigma/reefs/laughter thing goes on and on. Obviously they're all getting some entertainment out of it. The Tzu v. 'gang' thing goes on and on too, and obviously both sides get some enjoyment from that too. You happened to stumble into that one a little while back. I have no authority to judge whether what is going on is fog or not, as I can't see through my own pea soup half the time. Bring on some actual flames -- sounds good. Burns off the fog perhaps. |
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Post by silver on Nov 21, 2013 14:19:05 GMT -5
....Or creates more, depending on the humidity.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2013 15:15:23 GMT -5
By flames, I mean heated discussion points. For me, heated moments have brought about change in me/in life, so fire makes a good metaphor for them. Fog, is something that I relate to being intoxicated and I wonder if people here are finding a certain intoxication from the heated discussions, whether it is almost addictive, like the adrenaline rush or something. I don't know, that's why I brought it up... to understand. Maybe nobody knows. certainly I don't know. The andrew/fig vs. enigma/reefs/laughter thing goes on and on. Obviously they're all getting some entertainment out of it. The Tzu v. 'gang' thing goes on and on too, and obviously both sides get some enjoyment from that too. You happened to stumble into that one a little while back. I have no authority to judge whether what is going on is fog or not, as I can't see through my own pea soup half the time. Bring on some actual flames -- sounds good. Burns off the fog perhaps. I should point out that the words 'fog' and being 'overwhelmed by the insanity' aren't my perceptions of people... they are the quoted words of others describing their own experience. It's interesting that these interactions have gone on and on... it is something I suspected when people tried to fit me into the role of a 'known' other. |
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Post by enigma on Nov 22, 2013 10:42:40 GMT -5
certainly I don't know. The andrew/fig vs. enigma/reefs/laughter thing goes on and on. Obviously they're all getting some entertainment out of it. The Tzu v. 'gang' thing goes on and on too, and obviously both sides get some enjoyment from that too. You happened to stumble into that one a little while back. I have no authority to judge whether what is going on is fog or not, as I can't see through my own pea soup half the time. Bring on some actual flames -- sounds good. Burns off the fog perhaps. I should point out that the words 'fog' and being 'overwhelmed by the insanity' aren't my perceptions of people... they are the quoted words of others describing their own experience. It's interesting that these interactions have gone on and on... it is something I suspected when people tried to fit me into the role of a 'known' other. Nobody ever tried to fit you into a roll of 'known other' as far as I could see. It was your imagination/misperception, and this is something I like to address in a spiritual context because it is often the cause of suffering. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 11:03:25 GMT -5
I should point out that the words 'fog' and being 'overwhelmed by the insanity' aren't my perceptions of people... they are the quoted words of others describing their own experience. It's interesting that these interactions have gone on and on... it is something I suspected when people tried to fit me into the role of a 'known' other. Nobody ever tried to fit you into a roll of 'known other' as far as I could see. It was your imagination/misperception, and this is something I like to address in a spiritual context because it is often the cause of suffering. Whatever you were doing on an old thread (and it is old now), the question on this one, is me trying to understand your involvement in heated threads. How can you address anybody else's imagination when you become 'overwhelmed by insanity' or lost in the 'fog'? |
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Post by laughter on Nov 22, 2013 11:42:18 GMT -5
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Post by enigma on Nov 22, 2013 18:30:41 GMT -5
Nobody ever tried to fit you into a roll of 'known other' as far as I could see. It was your imagination/misperception, and this is something I like to address in a spiritual context because it is often the cause of suffering. Whatever you were doing on an old thread (and it is old now), the question on this one, is me trying to understand your involvement in heated threads. How can you address anybody else's imagination when you become 'overwhelmed by insanity' or lost in the 'fog'? I never find myself lost in some fog. When the insanity gets to be a bit too much, I tend to leave it alone and not respond to such posts. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 18:54:23 GMT -5
I should point out that the words 'fog' and being 'overwhelmed by the insanity' aren't my perceptions of people... they are the quoted words of others describing their own experience. It's interesting that these interactions have gone on and on... it is something I suspected when people tried to fit me into the role of a 'known' other. Nobody ever tried to fit you into a roll of 'known other' as far as I could see. It was your imagination/misperception, and this is something I like to address in a spiritual context because it is often the cause of suffering. Wasn't it you who insisted that you knew Autumnleaf from another forum? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 18:55:21 GMT -5
Whatever you were doing on an old thread (and it is old now), the question on this one, is me trying to understand your involvement in heated threads. How can you address anybody else's imagination when you become 'overwhelmed by insanity' or lost in the 'fog'? I never find myself lost in some fog. When the insanity gets to be a bit too much, I tend to leave it alone and not respond to such posts. If you are feeling overwhelmed by the insanity, haven't you already taken it too far for yourself? |
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Post by enigma on Nov 23, 2013 2:07:16 GMT -5
Nobody ever tried to fit you into a roll of 'known other' as far as I could see. It was your imagination/misperception, and this is something I like to address in a spiritual context because it is often the cause of suffering. Wasn't it you who insisted that you knew Autumnleaf from another forum? What does that have to do with anything?  |
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Post by enigma on Nov 23, 2013 2:10:25 GMT -5
I never find myself lost in some fog. When the insanity gets to be a bit too much, I tend to leave it alone and not respond to such posts. If you are feeling overwhelmed by the insanity, haven't you already taken it too far for yourself? If the insanity is overwhelming, it seems like an appropriate response. Is that what you're working on now, or are you pretty much convinced you have some real issues to address with peeps here? |
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