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Post by enigma on Nov 13, 2013 12:17:22 GMT -5
So you know that perception of yours to be wrong? But if it's wrong, then it's not true that perception is deception, and so your perception that your perception is wrong may be right. I think we agree that perception is deception is relative. One could be way off and not functional in society. I might agree that the degree to which one's perception includes deception is relative, as the label 'deception' is relative, but I don't agree that perception is deception.
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Post by enigma on Nov 13, 2013 12:28:08 GMT -5
I thought I was everywhere and nowhere? and? ... there's some contradiction there?? ... Not with the everywhere part, but maybe with the nowhere part.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 12:38:10 GMT -5
That's probably because I don't have something to sell you like understanding, or clarity, or a formula for walking off the battlefield. None of which is Liberation... I don't think that's the reason, partly because I'm not shopping around for something to buy. Your saying that the words being used are not to your satisfaction as far as descriptions are concerned. But the fact is there doesn't exist any description that can describe what is being talked about here. There is only This...only what is happening, and there is no possibility of the essence of This being described, grasped or known. The problem is that me attempts to grasp This with awareness, and that action instantly separates and objectifies This, making into two that which is wonderfully floating, effervescent and ungraspable.
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Post by enigma on Nov 13, 2013 12:42:24 GMT -5
I don't think that's the reason, partly because I'm not shopping around for something to buy. Your saying that the words being used are not to your satisfaction as far as descriptions are concerned. But the fact is there doesn't exist any description that can describe what is being talked about here. There is only This...only what is happening, and there is no possibility of the essence of This being described, grasped or known. The problem is that me attempts to grasp This with awareness, and that action instantly separates and objectifies This, making into two that which is wonderfully floating, effervescent and ungraspable. Some fingers point directly to the moon, and other fingers point to Uranus. The fact that words are inadequate doesn't mean pointing to Uranus is just as good as pointing to the moon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 12:46:10 GMT -5
I don't think that's the reason, partly because I'm not shopping around for something to buy. Your saying that the words being used are not to your satisfaction as far as descriptions are concerned. But the fact is there doesn't exist any description that can describe what is being talked about here. There is only This...only what is happening, and there is no possibility of the essence of This being described, grasped or known. The problem is that me attempts to grasp This with awareness, and that action instantly separates and objectifies This, making into two that which is wonderfully floating, effervescent and ungraspable. trf, your sig line: "NOTHING matters, THIS matters, the UN-MAMIFEST matters, LIFE matters, but there is NOBODY here that it matters to. " UN-MAMIFEST?? Spelling matters.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 12:56:05 GMT -5
Yes... In general, mind is not fond of fear, death and ignorance, which is usually the catalyst for suffering, and the self it is fond of is it's own thought structure of a self and not the self that was being referred to. Mind is just another description for me or I or self. It's mental constructs are believed to be real in the dream of me... It's a wonderfully and un-fulfilling story of me, which is uniquely human and abstractly without purpose. And so for the apparent seeker, all the elements of the dream story like fear, death, and ignorance seems very real. But it's just a dream, just an illusion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 13:04:31 GMT -5
Your saying that the words being used are not to your satisfaction as far as descriptions are concerned. But the fact is there doesn't exist any description that can describe what is being talked about here. There is only This...only what is happening, and there is no possibility of the essence of This being described, grasped or known. The problem is that me attempts to grasp This with awareness, and that action instantly separates and objectifies This, making into two that which is wonderfully floating, effervescent and ungraspable. Some fingers point directly to the moon, and other fingers point to Uranus. The fact that words are inadequate doesn't mean pointing to Uranus is just as good as pointing to the moon. There is nobody pointing at the moon or Uranus...that is dualism. What's happening is Wholeness is pretending to be a separate person that is pointing at something it thinks it lost and has to find so that it can be Wholeness... That there is a separate pointer is a nonsense.
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Post by silver on Nov 13, 2013 14:39:21 GMT -5
Saving the world is the epitome of not allowing. No, we can make some greed laws. We allow all found greedy to visit the healing incarceration center. Healing incarceration center? What kind of a place is that? Maybe, just like what society seems to be trying to do with drug and alcohol abusers/addicts, they try to rehab and educate? Otherwise, how does one know they're greedy?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 14:54:11 GMT -5
Healing incarceration center? What kind of a place is that? Maybe, just like what society seems to be trying to do with drug and alcohol abusers/addicts, they try to rehab and educate? Otherwise, how does one know they're greedy? Quarantine the viral infection, then administer the cure. I'm not really into creating laws, but everyone would have to agree where greed starts. I'm pretty sure nobody would agree that it arises out of and falls back into Nothing...
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Post by silver on Nov 13, 2013 14:55:29 GMT -5
Quarantine the viral infection, then administer the cure. I'm not really into creating laws, but everyone would have to agree where greed starts. I'm pretty sure nobody would agree that it arises out of and falls back into Nothing... What does that even mean (it's a rhetorical, btw).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 14:57:00 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure nobody would agree that it arises out of and falls back into Nothing... What does that even mean (it's a rhetorical, btw). In other words I don't agree with everyone where greed starts...
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Post by silver on Nov 13, 2013 14:57:22 GMT -5
Healing incarceration center? What kind of a place is that? Maybe, just like what society seems to be trying to do with drug and alcohol abusers/addicts, they try to rehab and educate? Otherwise, how does one know they're greedy?
Quarantine the viral infection, then administer the cure.I'm not really into creating laws, but everyone would have to agree where greed starts. Same question: What does that even mean? First overt sign of greed? Having too much money? And in this day and age, it's quite obvious, LoL.
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Post by silver on Nov 13, 2013 14:57:58 GMT -5
What does that even mean (it's a rhetorical, btw). In other words I don't agree with him where greed starts... Um sorry, I didn't see where he says greed starts at.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 14:59:57 GMT -5
Quarantine the viral infection, then administer the cure.I'm not really into creating laws, but everyone would have to agree where greed starts. Same question: What does that even mean? First overt sign of greed? Having too much money? And in this day and age, it's quite obvious, LoL. It sounds like getting the flu shot...that way greed won't spread to the rest of the population...
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Post by silver on Nov 13, 2013 15:15:52 GMT -5
Same question: What does that even mean? First overt sign of greed? Having too much money? And in this day and age, it's quite obvious, LoL. That's where you take greedy people and expose them to happy sharing people for an extended period of time. Signs of greed ...watch for hook-nose. Look at the Obmama free cell phone thing. Cell phone values went down on the streets. Less cell phones being stolen. Everybody has a cell phone. A few years ago I seen ads for fake cell phones people could buy so they could pretend to have a cell phone. Now it's like no big deal. Start making things free everywhere. Oh yeah! You know what I thought of a couple years ago is to force mean, greedy people to watch Its a Wonderful Life until they really get it, LoL. I love that idea! I could watch it over and over. Ah, that's not PC! *wags finger at naughty man* Fake cell phones? Hah, good one.
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