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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 19:55:11 GMT -5
They are just words and in this sense words are used to indicate something that is beyond the words. I know. I'm giving my opinion that those words don't do an effective job of that. That's probably because I don't have something to sell you like understanding, or clarity, or a formula for walking off the battlefield. None of which is Liberation...
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Post by acewall on Nov 12, 2013 21:34:27 GMT -5
dont think so... Greed is more like Ignorance of Self. Yes fear of death is also ignorance of self yes fear is present when there is two Self is One.
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Post by acewall on Nov 12, 2013 21:37:06 GMT -5
dont think so... Greed is more like Ignorance of Self. Fear of lack, which is tied to fear of loss, which is associated with fear of death, which is all part of the paradigm of a separate self. yes, once one realises theyre separate then the spiritual-reuniting process can begun to reveal which is real... thinker or thought.
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Post by acewall on Nov 12, 2013 21:39:24 GMT -5
dont think so... Greed is more like Ignorance of Self. Fear of lack, which is tied to fear of loss, which is associated with fear of death, which is all part of the paradigm of a separate self. yes, once one realises theyre separate then the spiritual-reuniting process can begun to reveal which is real... thinker or thought. Both have zero as their common denominator.
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Post by enigma on Nov 13, 2013 2:06:55 GMT -5
What is it fond of? Fear, death, ignorance or self? Yes... In general, mind is not fond of fear, death and ignorance, which is usually the catalyst for suffering, and the self it is fond of is it's own thought structure of a self and not the self that was being referred to.
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Post by enigma on Nov 13, 2013 2:29:58 GMT -5
I know. I'm giving my opinion that those words don't do an effective job of that. That's probably because I don't have something to sell you like understanding, or clarity, or a formula for walking off the battlefield. None of which is Liberation... I don't think that's the reason, partly because I'm not shopping around for something to buy.
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Post by enigma on Nov 13, 2013 2:31:37 GMT -5
So if we weren't afraid of death, we would live forever? well yeah... The woo woo enlightened gurus were all afraid of death?
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Post by enigma on Nov 13, 2013 2:36:36 GMT -5
How would I know what you can believe? And how does your question relate to the discussion? Okay, would it be accurate from your perspective? Ultimately, there';s no objective reality or truth. 'Accurate' is contextual, so in a given context there may be accurate and inaccurate stuff.
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Post by enigma on Nov 13, 2013 2:37:43 GMT -5
No, but it's an imperfect circle. He doesn't believe we are connected when there are sound waves from all our hearts beating together. Do you...um....hear these sound waves?
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Post by enigma on Nov 13, 2013 2:40:35 GMT -5
My impression has been that you absolutely love talking about it. Yeah, perception is deception. So you know that perception of yours to be wrong? But if it's wrong, then it's not true that perception is deception, and so your perception that your perception is wrong may be right.
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Post by andrew on Nov 13, 2013 8:52:33 GMT -5
The woo woo enlightened gurus were all afraid of death? I'm not sure what you mean by "woo woo". Yeah there must have been a little fear. Maybe collective fear, but are enlightened people affected by the collective? I would say yes, to some extent. That might also explain some of the money stuff i.e. why Ramana (for example) was fine to function with very very little but some western teachers are fine to function with more. Also might go some way to explaining things like Niz smoking, might explain dietary habits....a lot of things. It goes some way to explaining why its tricky to discern the exact characteristics of an enlightened individual, and partly why such individuals tend to tell people not to focus on characteristics. The reality of 'enlightened individuals' is far less clean cut that the image we might have. I notice myself that when I move locations... my energy changes, my habits change, my focus changes. Even the food I eat changes. I have sometimes thought that the perspectives/focus that people on this forum offer is, to at least some extent, a reflection of their local environment. As you say, at the widest level, the global consciousness has had a fear of death (and a belief in death). Funnily enough this got posted on facebook yesterday.. www.environmentalgraffiti.com/offbeat-news/bodyshock-the-amazing-story-behind-the-256-year-old-man/1130
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Post by laughter on Nov 13, 2013 9:22:25 GMT -5
Wherever you go, thats where you are. I thought I was everywhere and nowhere? and? ... there's some contradiction there?? ...
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Post by Reefs on Nov 13, 2013 9:45:28 GMT -5
So what are you on about!? I figure might as well do something to help save the world while I'm hanging out looking for enlightenment. Saving the world is the epitome of not allowing.
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Post by Reefs on Nov 13, 2013 9:52:04 GMT -5
The woo woo enlightened gurus were all afraid of death? I'm not sure what you mean by "woo woo". Yeah there must have been a little fear. Maybe collective fear, but are enlightened people affected by the collective? Your focus is on entirely irrelevant stuff.
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Post by enigma on Nov 13, 2013 12:12:25 GMT -5
The woo woo enlightened gurus were all afraid of death? I'm not sure what you mean by "woo woo". Yeah there must have been a little fear. Maybe collective fear, but are enlightened people affected by the collective? I don't agree with your premise that death is caused by fear of death. I know some here don't agree with my stand on duality, but death is the other side of the coin from the sense of being alive. The longer we live, the more that sense tends to fade. Sometimes it can be 'renewed' with a tragedy or near death experience. Sometimes by seeing life without the mental meta-reality. Ultimately, we need death.
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