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Post by nowhereman on Oct 11, 2013 0:13:27 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 0:37:23 GMT -5
"It is to know the Truth that the ‘I’ is not different from the absolute Reality [Ishwara] and to be free from the feeling of being the doer."
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Post by nowhereman on Oct 11, 2013 0:50:44 GMT -5
The Self is always attained, it is always realised; it is not something that you have to seek, reach or discover. Your vasanas [mental habits and tendencies] and all the wrong ideas you have about yourself are blocking and hiding the experience of the real Self. If you don't identify with the wrong ideas, your Self-nature will not be hidden from you. Annamalai Swami
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 2:40:17 GMT -5
Jnana is the annihilation of the mind in which it is made to assume the form of the Self through the constant practice of dhyana or enquiry. The extinction of the mind is the state in which there is a cessation of all efforts. Those who are established in this state never swerve from their true state. The terms ‘silence’ and 'inaction' refer to this state alone.
4. Is the state of 'being still' a state involving effort or effortless?
It is not an effortless state of indolence. All mundane activities which are ordinarily called effort are performed with the aid of a portion of the mind and with frequent breaks. But the act of communion with the Self or remaining still inwardly is intense activity which is performed with the entire mind and without break.
Delusion or ignorance which cannot be destroyed by any other act is completely destroyed by this intense activity which is called ‘silence’.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 2:43:46 GMT -5
7. Although the Lord is all-pervasive it appears, from passages like "adorning Him through His grace", that He can be known only through His grace. How then can the individual soul by its own efforts attain Self-realisation in he absence of the Lord’s grace?
As the Lord denotes the Self and as grace means the Lord’s presence or revelation, there is no time when the Lord remains unknown. If the light of the sun is invisible to the owl it is only the fault of that bird and not of the sun. Similarly can the unawareness by ignorant persons of the Self which is always of the nature of awareness be other than their own fault? How can it be the fault of the Self? It is because grace is of the very nature of the Lord that He is well-known as "the blessed grace". Therefore the Lord, whose nature itself is grace, does not have to bestow His grace. Nor is there any particular time for bestowing His grace.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 2:51:11 GMT -5
Here you go Max:
23. It is an established rule that so long as there is the least idea of I-am-the-doer, Self-knowledge cannot be attained, but is it possible for an aspirant who is a householder to discharge his duties properly without this sense?
As there is no rule that action should depend upon a sense of being the doer it is unnecessary to doubt whether any action will take place without a doer or an act of doing. Although the officer of a government treasury may appear, in the eyes of others, to be doing his duty attentively and responsibly all day long, he will be discharging his duties without attachment, thinking "I have no real connection with all this money" and without a sense of involvement in his mind. In the same manner a wise householder may also discharge without attachment the various household duties which fall to his lot according to his past karma, like a tool in the hands of another. Action and knowledge are not obstacles to each other.
25. How can cessation of activity and peace of mind be attained in the midst of household duties which are of the nature of constant activity?
As the activities of the wise man exist only in the eyes of others and not in his own, although he may be accomplishing immense tasks, he really does nothing. Therefore his activities do not stand in the way of inaction and peace of mind. For he knows the truth that all activities take place in his mere presence and that he does nothing. Hence he will remain as the silent witness of all the activities taking place.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 8:32:04 GMT -5
How does one discern if they are 'ripe' or not? Or is this just another after-the-fact determination -- as in, if the fruit fell from the tree it was ripe? How does an unripe soul determine what different method is most useful now? Do these different methods ripen the soul?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 14:26:23 GMT -5
How does one discern if they are 'ripe' or not? Or is this just another after-the-fact determination -- as in, if the fruit fell from the tree it was ripe? How does an unripe soul determine what different method is most useful now? Do these different methods ripen the soul?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 14:42:36 GMT -5
How does one discern if they are 'ripe' or not? Or is this just another after-the-fact determination -- as in, if the fruit fell from the tree it was ripe? How does an unripe soul determine what different method is most useful now? Do these different methods ripen the soul?
Yes Okay so how do you know if your soul is ripe or not? And if not ripe, how do you determine which method is best to ripen it? I actually want to know this, I'm not being contrarian or anything. James Schwartz also mentions in Vedanta the necessity of having a 'prepared mind.' I assume he's talking about the same thing -- ripeness.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 16:09:27 GMT -5
1. Can a "ripe" mind be damaged by incompetent, greedy, type enlightened people? 2. How many times can a mind become "ripe?" 3. Is there karma to God? 1. No 2. Millions 3. We are the Karma of God unfolding, your Karma is God's Karma....you are God.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 16:15:27 GMT -5
If there is no mystical component to God then why do they say, "when the student is ready the teacher will appear?" That seems mystical to me. Mystical is just a word, a thought, an identification, let such things go if you want to Ripen...the more you know and are knowing, the less ripe you are. Only "don't know" and you cannot fail to ripen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 17:47:59 GMT -5
1. Okay so how do you know if your soul is ripe or not? 2. how do you determine which method is best to ripen it? Forget about ripening. If you were exposed to that Truth before you were ripe, then its never going to happen in that way. Only go straight, and Only don't know. Be simple, and unattached. And meditate until all of life, every activity, is a meditation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 17:54:00 GMT -5
1. Okay so how do you know if your soul is ripe or not? 2. how do you determine which method is best to ripen it? 1. If you are ready to let everything go, you are ripe. 2. Try them...see which one feels right. Don't make ripening a goal or an effort....ripening happens when you let go of stuff, not by adding stuff....only don't know, and stay alert without knowing anything, and this is enough. What do you mean by letting everything go?! Does everything include thoughts, experiences, feelings, sounds, smells, tastes, and sights?!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 17:59:30 GMT -5
1. If you are ready to let everything go, you are ripe. 2. Try them...see which one feels right. Don't make ripening a goal or an effort....ripening happens when you let go of stuff, not by adding stuff....only don't know, and stay alert without knowing anything, and this is enough. What do you mean by letting everything go?! Does everything include thoughts, experiences, feelings, sounds, smells, tastes, and sights?! Yes....cling to nothing....be completely unattached to whatever appears in your sphere. But mainly, let go of knowing, identifying, and trying to understand everything. Knowing creates the illusion of separateness in Being. Empty your glass of all knowing, and do not seek to refill it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 18:01:18 GMT -5
1. If you are ready to let everything go, you are ripe. 2. Try them...see which one feels right. Don't make ripening a goal or an effort....ripening happens when you let go of stuff, not by adding stuff....only don't know, and stay alert without knowing anything, and this is enough. What do you mean by letting everything go?! Does everything include thoughts, experiences, feelings, sounds, smells, tastes, and sights?! Thanks4askingthat
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