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Post by acewall on Oct 11, 2013 20:19:06 GMT -5
How does one discern if they are 'ripe' or not? Or is this just another after-the-fact determination -- as in, if the fruit fell from the tree it was ripe? How does an unripe soul determine what different method is most useful now? Do these different methods ripen the soul? this is where Grace's function works its wonders Max. To me, most of the changes that have occured in my life were accidents. Thus, I came to learn the meaning of surrender.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 20:27:51 GMT -5
How does one discern if they are 'ripe' or not? Or is this just another after-the-fact determination -- as in, if the fruit fell from the tree it was ripe? How does an unripe soul determine what different method is most useful now? Do these different methods ripen the soul? this is where Grace's function works its wonders Max. To me, most of the changes that have occured in my life were accidents. Thus, I came to learn the meaning of surrender. Yes, Max unwittingly changed the course of my whole life when he asked with simple curiosity: "How can one really know if their awareness is Universal?" By letting that one truth that I held most dear go, all other knowings began to unravel, and I came fully into BEING. A silly innocent question that I happened to read in passing on a forum lol
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Post by acewall on Oct 11, 2013 20:31:11 GMT -5
Can a "ripe" mind be damaged by incompetent, greedy, type enlightened people? How many times can a mind become "ripe?" Is there karma to God? excellent questions freejoy. 1. YES!Damage makes us take note, wtf is going-on about us! 2. Bob Dylan asks the same question with his song, "how many times must a man...." It appears to me we continue the fruit-creating business for as long as it takes us to see that 'each-time we start again' we do so from base, Home-Base. From home base we can also work-at-working in the world,thus arriving at effortless effort, we no-longer become attached to the egos, "This is My-Work!" syndrome. 3. Owning ones karma gets us to God. If we do-not seek-out our imperfections and clean the subconcious of its storehouse of ignorant impressions and pain, we are shielded from the bright.
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Post by acewall on Oct 11, 2013 20:44:03 GMT -5
like a kitten wiff a ball of wool we undo what's done, actualising the mind as nothing-real we become free of attachment, to thoughts and their mental-concepts we begin learning to cling-less, containing the life force the bird-song more important. Born into World-Nature we return to-knowing afresh.
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Post by Reefs on Oct 12, 2013 6:54:58 GMT -5
How does one discern if they are 'ripe' or not? Or is this just another after-the-fact determination -- as in, if the fruit fell from the tree it was ripe? How does an unripe soul determine what different method is most useful now? Do these different methods ripen the soul?
Yes You're kidding, right?
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Post by Reefs on Oct 12, 2013 7:32:39 GMT -5
How does one discern if they are 'ripe' or not? Or is this just another after-the-fact determination -- as in, if the fruit fell from the tree it was ripe? How does an unripe soul determine what different method is most useful now? Do these different methods ripen the soul? Maybe the most 'useful' method is the one that comes most naturally, effortlessly. I'd say there are no methods that influence the ripening process. Awakening (i.e. falling off the tree) is not like growing a muscle. The methods applied (and especially how they are applied, the mindset behind it) are just an indicator of the current state of ripeness (i.e. state of being) of the fruit, that's all. Depending on your current state of being you will naturally gravitate to different methods. The question about usefulness is a misconceived one.
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Post by enigma on Oct 12, 2013 11:57:52 GMT -5
Yes....cling to nothing....be completely unattached to whatever appears in your sphere. But mainly, let go of knowing, identifying, and trying to understand everything. Knowing creates the illusion of separateness in Being. Empty your glass of all knowing, and do not seek to refill it. I must not be ripe cuz I have no idea how that would come to pass. Only through understanding.
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Post by enigma on Oct 12, 2013 12:00:02 GMT -5
Yes....cling to nothing....be completely unattached to whatever appears in your sphere. But mainly, let go of knowing, identifying, and trying to understand everything. Knowing creates the illusion of separateness in Being. Empty your glass of all knowing, and do not seek to refill it. What about the unconscious habits of knowing, identifying, and trying to understand everything... How do I let go of something that I'm not conscious of?! Only by becoming conscious of it.
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Post by enigma on Oct 12, 2013 12:02:02 GMT -5
Just now, absorbed in the sensual experience of washing dishes, there was no thought of knowing. That happens throughout the day and at night. Of course, per this particular subject, now I'm wondering how one could possibly know that they're not knowing. So I take sip of Harpoon and go back to the dishes. Don't over complicate it....just be alert, and conscious, but without knowing....if in your alertness you see knowing arising, let it go, and not know. Be sure to close the barn door after the horse has escaped.
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Post by enigma on Oct 12, 2013 12:04:22 GMT -5
What about the unconscious habits of knowing, identifying, and trying to understand everything... How do I let go of something that I'm not conscious of?! Alertness brings consciousness to the unconscious....remain alert, and you will see when even the most subtle kinds of knowing arise. There is no need to go searching for hidden forms of knowing to "root them out"....only remain alert in your not knowing, and by and by you will become more sensitive to more subtle forms of knowing that arise....and as they arise from unconsciousness into alert consciousness, release them moment to moment. Don't be concerned with some future possibility of knowing that may arise, just this moment is enough to BE in..... without knowing. By and by the momentum of conscious and unconscious knowing will run out of steam, and come to rest. By and by, it will be seen that there is no momentum.
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Post by enigma on Oct 12, 2013 12:07:59 GMT -5
Alertness brings consciousness to the unconscious....remain alert, and you will see when even the most subtle kinds of knowing arise, so that they may be let go into not knowing. rising this morning and going into the kitchen to attend a pile of dishes from the girls munchies of late last-night,singing to my self I put the kettle-on oblivious to mindfulness and carried through to make my wife tea instead of coffee. Being busy at the sink soapingnsinging the dishes without thought, just watching... it never dawned upon me that what had been accepted as the norm,had been ascended-from and I gave her abscent mindedly tea instead of coffee,after years of the usual-conditioning. Her nose twitched first,she takes another sip,an another then she withdrew her lips from the mug and began sucking and tasting the remaining contents inside her mouth. Confused, she stands right-in-my-face and asks, "is this tea or coffee?" her taste-buds setting her conditioned mind in disarray. Little things show us the way! Being "oblivious to mindfulness" is a momentum in the opposite direction, and results in serving tea instead of coffee.
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Post by enigma on Oct 12, 2013 12:16:51 GMT -5
Soul ripening 101: Place soul in brown paper bag and leave on windowsill overnight.
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Post by enigma on Oct 12, 2013 12:26:24 GMT -5
How does one discern if they are 'ripe' or not? Or is this just another after-the-fact determination -- as in, if the fruit fell from the tree it was ripe? How does an unripe soul determine what different method is most useful now? Do these different methods ripen the soul? Maybe the most 'useful' method is the one that comes most naturally, effortlessly. I'd say there are no methods that influence the ripening process. Awakening (i.e. falling off the tree) is not like growing a muscle. The methods applied (and especially how they are applied, the mindset behind it) are just an indicator of the current state of ripeness (i.e. state of being) of the fruit, that's all. Depending on your current state of being you will naturally gravitate to different methods. The question about usefulness is a misconceived one. Zacklee. The fruit farmer doesn't decide how to cause the fruit to ripen faster, as anything he does will ruin the fruit. He tends to the tree, watering, pruning and protecting it. The fruit is not ripe when the mortgage is due, it is ripe when it falls of it's own accord.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 12:35:56 GMT -5
What about the unconscious habits of knowing, identifying, and trying to understand everything... How do I let go of something that I'm not conscious of?! Only by becoming conscious of it. It's obvious to me that God prefers to keep some things unconscious...
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Post by zendancer on Oct 12, 2013 12:49:09 GMT -5
Only by becoming conscious of it. It's obvious to me that God prefers to keep some things unconscious... Obviously.
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