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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 2:14:20 GMT -5
I recognise that it's a very personal venture for you, yes. Its the purest of experience, with an utter lack of overlay Purification requires a willingness to yield. The nature of a will that can yield has a great finesse to it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 11:33:50 GMT -5
Do you really think God's will is to sit on a meditation pillow in silence until the mind/body dies?! What if his will was to use death as an adviser so that he could live and experience the manifestation of a human to the fullest? I have no idea what God's will is, other than what is happening right now. having said that, why do you ask? Do you know anyone that is sitting on a meditation cushion in silence until the mind/body dies? Do you even know of anyone that has advocated that? If you do not know of anyone that is sitting on a cushion meditating until the body/mind dies, or anyone that has advocated it, why are you asking if someone believes that it is God's will? I am not idly asking, I am trying to point out how being absorbed in mentation and vasanas can take one down a meaningless path like this line of questioning that you started with that post, and how that whole movement is based on a self delusion. If you doubt that you have asked a question based on the self delusion that I said or believe that its God's will that I or anyone else should sit on a meditation cushion meditating until death, then you may want to look more closely at what was written to see if it is not a self delusion that you are engaging in. In this case, its pretty easy to see if you are deluding yourself about what I have written here...simply look at my posts without creating a story, just look. The investigation can be a good chance to see on yourself how one can get drug along by vasanas. I asked a simple question about God's will... If you accept God's will like you say you have then the answer to the question would have been Yes, sitting on a meditation pillow until the mind/body dies would be God's will... You think God is busy micro-managing the actions of an entire universe and still has time to manage the actions of 7 billion peeps?! I sure wouldn't want his job...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 12:48:16 GMT -5
I have no idea what God's will is, other than what is happening right now. having said that, why do you ask? Do you know anyone that is sitting on a meditation cushion in silence until the mind/body dies? Do you even know of anyone that has advocated that? If you do not know of anyone that is sitting on a cushion meditating until the body/mind dies, or anyone that has advocated it, why are you asking if someone believes that it is God's will? I am not idly asking, I am trying to point out how being absorbed in mentation and vasanas can take one down a meaningless path like this line of questioning that you started with that post, and how that whole movement is based on a self delusion. If you doubt that you have asked a question based on the self delusion that I said or believe that its God's will that I or anyone else should sit on a meditation cushion meditating until death, then you may want to look more closely at what was written to see if it is not a self delusion that you are engaging in. In this case, its pretty easy to see if you are deluding yourself about what I have written here...simply look at my posts without creating a story, just look. The investigation can be a good chance to see on yourself how one can get drug along by vasanas. I asked a simple question about God's will... If you accept God's will like you say you have then the answer to the question would have been Yes, sitting on a meditation pillow until the mind/body dies would be God's will... You think God is busy micro-managing the actions of an entire universe and still has time to manage the actions of 7 billion peeps?! I sure wouldn't want his job... Is God a "he"?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 12:58:54 GMT -5
I asked a simple question about God's will... If you accept God's will like you say you have then the answer to the question would have been Yes, sitting on a meditation pillow until the mind/body dies would be God's will... You think God is busy micro-managing the actions of an entire universe and still has time to manage the actions of 7 billion peeps?! I sure wouldn't want his job... Is God a "he"? That is a concept that I will have to turn away from...
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Post by nowhereman on Oct 5, 2013 13:00:50 GMT -5
I asked a simple question about God's will... If you accept God's will like you say you have then the answer to the question would have been Yes, sitting on a meditation pillow until the mind/body dies would be God's will... You think God is busy micro-managing the actions of an entire universe and still has time to manage the actions of 7 billion peeps?! I sure wouldn't want his job... Is God a "he"? Well there is the "Burning Bush" thingy
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 13:58:20 GMT -5
That is a concept that I will have to turn away from... Sfpheeuuw! :-)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 13:59:29 GMT -5
Well there is the "Burning Bush" thingy "I am THAT, I am."
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Post by nowhereman on Oct 5, 2013 14:04:38 GMT -5
Well there is the "Burning Bush" thingy "I am THAT, I am." True but does a "he" have a burning bush?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 14:18:31 GMT -5
True but does a "he" have a burning bush? Dunno, It does seem likely that Moses did though....and that Moses was a "He" iteration of God? There is this phenomena wherein when the state of Samadhi is opened into, and actions occur, like speaking, or insights, or even physical action like the making of art or an athletic endeavor etc...that one can feel like the action "wasn't by me" when the awareness of a "me" returns in an "I" centered experience. I always thought that this seeming "break" that can manifest to the mind between action that occurs in Samadhi versus the review of that action by the mind after one "returns" from Samadhi as things like "God" talking to me from a bush, or more commonly lately, the spirit channelers like Esther Hicks's Abraham etc. In a way it IS God talking, but its the result of Samadhi in action, some folks have a kind of mental break when they review the experience, and separate it from themselves conceptual and conceptualize themselves as a medium through which God or Spirits Speak, instead conceptualizing that it is action of a higher self beyond the appearance of the individual. Dunno if I expressed that well....does it make sense?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 14:57:47 GMT -5
True but does a "he" have a burning bush? I think Samadhi is important, because its the means of seeing God in the most direct way, without the filter of an individualized self that "Knows" God. In Samadhi, knowing is dropped and only the experience of ISNESS with no knower remains. The closest thing I've been able to come up with regarding a model and reason for existence, and our perspective of separation and individuation, is that as individuals with a mind movement, we can Know God, we can "Know Thyself"....we can Know the infinite ISNESS of existence. In Samadhi, which is God Union, there is no experience of SELF or Knowing, only ISNESS. From the experience of ISNESS, knowing arises, and with it a Knower, which is the illusion of a separation from ISNESS. And, in reverse: When the knower; the I AM, or "ME-ness" is released into Samadhi, the appearance of Subject and Object merge back together inan indivisible, limitless, whole. When subject and object merge, the bifurcation of knower of self and self merge into union, which is God Union...but there is no knowing of Self in God Union (Samadhi)....so the Self re-emerges to Know Thyself. Our appearance of individuation, is God Knowing and expressing Thyself. all of the urges and desires that we have in life are God Knowing the various aspects of SELF. suffering does not appear to result from the desires that move us, rather, suffering is the result of attachment to one aspect of God over another, if we cling to a desire, or cling to any experience, instead of flowing, we suffer. Sometimes God wants to know thyself through the desire itself, and sometimes God wants to know thyself through a fullfillment of a desire...desires do not cause suffering, attachment to a stationary position or a clinging to something without being in flow causes suffering. But ultimately, ALL desires are God Knowing Thyself.... When one is frequently returning to Samadhi and then returning to being the knower of SELF, i.e. the I AM, most other desires fall away, because one is taking the direct route of knowing the essential SELF instead of other aspects of self. Clearing the Vasanas is basically a process of clearing the attachments that cause suffering. Desires are a natural and harmonious phenomena, and do not cause suffering in and of themselves, its the attachments that often develop from desires that cause suffering. Desires without attachment are the dance and play and joy of God knowing thyself in different ways. And when one's desire is of a spiritual dent, we are God knowing thyself in our most essential nature....the peak (so to speak), of knowing thyself in our most essential nature is the moving back and forth between Samadhi (the union of Knower and Known, Subject and Object in God Union) and the the appearance of a a Knower. In Samadhi, the knower ceases to exist, as does the knowing, in Samadhi, the knowing of God cedes to pure being of God, our most essential nature. If there is a frequent transition between God Being God, and God Knowing God, there is an increased intimacy with the most essential nature of our God SELF, versus the various other aspects of God that other desires bring us closer to. That intimacy with the most essential nature of ourselves, seems to make other desires less desirable ;-) So the question is: "Does "HE" have a burning bush?" Answer: If that is the way God happens to be Knowing God at the moment, then YES, if not, then know ;-)
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Post by nowhereman on Oct 5, 2013 15:14:30 GMT -5
True but does a "he" have a burning bush? I think Samadhi is important, because its the means of seeing God in the most direct way, without the filter of an individualized self that "Knows" God. In Samadhi, knowing is dropped and only the experience of ISNESS with no knower remains. The closest thing I've been able to come up with regarding a model and reason for existence, and our perspective of separation and individuation, is that as individuals with a mind movement, we can Know God, we can "Know Thyself"....we can Know the infinite ISNESS of existence. In Samadhi, which is God Union, there is no experience of SELF or Knowing, only ISNESS. From the experience of ISNESS, knowing arises, and with it a Knower, which is the illusion of a separation from ISNESS. When the knower; the I AM, or "ME-ness" is released into Samadhi, the appearance of Subject and Object merge. When subject and object merge, the bifurcation of knower of self and self merge into union, which is God Union...but there is no knowing of Self in God Union (Samadhi)....so the Self re-emerges to Know Thyself. Our appearance of individuation, is God Knowing and expressing Thyself. all of the urges and desires that we have in life are God Knowing the various aspects of SELF. suffering does not appear to result from the desires that move us, rather, suffering is the result of attachment to one aspect of God over another, if we cling to a desire, or cling to any experience, instead of flowing, we suffer. Sometimes God wants to know thyself through the desire itself, and sometimes God wants to know thyself through a fullfillment of a desire...desires do not cause suffering, attachment to a stationary position or a clinging to something without being in flow causes suffering. But ultimately, ALL desires are God Knowing Thyself....When one is frequently open into Samadhi and then returning to a centeredness in the knower of SELF, i.e. the I AM, most other desires fall away, because one is taking the direct route ofknowing the essential SELF, versus other aspects of self. Clearing the Vasanas is basically a process of clearing the attachments that cause suffering. Desires are a natural and harmonious phenomena, and do not cause suffering in and of themselves, its the attachments that often develop from desires that cause suffering. Desires without attachment are the dance and play and joy of God knowing thyself in different ways. And when one's desire is of a spiritual dent, we are God knowing thyself in our most essential nature....the peak (so to speak), of knowing thyself in our most essential nature is the moving back and forth between Samadhi (the union of Knower and Known, Subject and Object in God Union) and the the appearance of a a Knower. In Samadhi, the knower ceases to exist, as does the knowing, in Samadhi, the knowing of God cedes to pure being of God, our most essential nature. If there is a frequent transition between God Being God, and God Knowing God, there is an increased intimacy with the most essential nature of our God SELF, versus the various other aspects of God that other desires bring us closer to. That intimacy with the most essential nature of ourselves, seems to make other desires less desirable ;-) So the question is: "Does "HE" have a burning bush?" Answer: If that is the way God happens to be Knowing God at the moment, then YES, if not, then know ;-) Steve do you see how you have a burning desire for Samadhi? /No offense but you are addicted to it. So much so that you truly enjoy going to lengths to speak about it. Some how you get some taste of it by writing about it. It's like a drug as you cannot seem Not to talk about it. It's like having a lover that creates such a obsession that every word becomes tainted with her smell, look, what have you. I would say to give it all up and see what comes your way. You may be surprised once the Samadhi walls come down what is released and comes your way. Just saying
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 15:21:15 GMT -5
I think Samadhi is important, because its the means of seeing God in the most direct way, without the filter of an individualized self that "Knows" God. In Samadhi, knowing is dropped and only the experience of ISNESS with no knower remains. The closest thing I've been able to come up with regarding a model and reason for existence, and our perspective of separation and individuation, is that as individuals with a mind movement, we can Know God, we can "Know Thyself"....we can Know the infinite ISNESS of existence. In Samadhi, which is God Union, there is no experience of SELF or Knowing, only ISNESS. From the experience of ISNESS, knowing arises, and with it a Knower, which is the illusion of a separation from ISNESS. When the knower; the I AM, or "ME-ness" is released into Samadhi, the appearance of Subject and Object merge. When subject and object merge, the bifurcation of knower of self and self merge into union, which is God Union...but there is no knowing of Self in God Union (Samadhi)....so the Self re-emerges to Know Thyself. Our appearance of individuation, is God Knowing and expressing Thyself. all of the urges and desires that we have in life are God Knowing the various aspects of SELF. suffering does not appear to result from the desires that move us, rather, suffering is the result of attachment to one aspect of God over another, if we cling to a desire, or cling to any experience, instead of flowing, we suffer. Sometimes God wants to know thyself through the desire itself, and sometimes God wants to know thyself through a fullfillment of a desire...desires do not cause suffering, attachment to a stationary position or a clinging to something without being in flow causes suffering. But ultimately, ALL desires are God Knowing Thyself....When one is frequently open into Samadhi and then returning to a centeredness in the knower of SELF, i.e. the I AM, most other desires fall away, because one is taking the direct route ofknowing the essential SELF, versus other aspects of self. Clearing the Vasanas is basically a process of clearing the attachments that cause suffering. Desires are a natural and harmonious phenomena, and do not cause suffering in and of themselves, its the attachments that often develop from desires that cause suffering. Desires without attachment are the dance and play and joy of God knowing thyself in different ways. And when one's desire is of a spiritual dent, we are God knowing thyself in our most essential nature....the peak (so to speak), of knowing thyself in our most essential nature is the moving back and forth between Samadhi (the union of Knower and Known, Subject and Object in God Union) and the the appearance of a a Knower. In Samadhi, the knower ceases to exist, as does the knowing, in Samadhi, the knowing of God cedes to pure being of God, our most essential nature. If there is a frequent transition between God Being God, and God Knowing God, there is an increased intimacy with the most essential nature of our God SELF, versus the various other aspects of God that other desires bring us closer to. That intimacy with the most essential nature of ourselves, seems to make other desires less desirable ;-) So the question is: "Does "HE" have a burning bush?" Answer: If that is the way God happens to be Knowing God at the moment, then YES, if not, then know ;-) Steve do you see how you have a burning desire for Samadhi? /No offense but you are addicted to it. So much so that you truly enjoy going to lengths to speak about it. Some how you get some taste of it by writing about it. It's like a drug as you cannot seem Not to talk about it. It's like having a lover that creates such a obsession that every word becomes tainted with her smell, look, what have you. I would say to give it all up and see what comes your way. You may be surprised once the Samadhi walls come down what is released and comes your way. Just saying Did you actually read the post, or just the first few stanzas and the start the mind going and typing?
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Post by nowhereman on Oct 5, 2013 15:30:56 GMT -5
Steve do you see how you have a burning desire for Samadhi? /No offense but you are addicted to it. So much so that you truly enjoy going to lengths to speak about it. Some how you get some taste of it by writing about it. It's like a drug as you cannot seem Not to talk about it. It's like having a lover that creates such a obsession that every word becomes tainted with her smell, look, what have you. I would say to give it all up and see what comes your way. You may be surprised once the Samadhi walls come down what is released and comes your way. Just saying Did you actually read the post, or just the first few stanzas and the start the mind going and typing? Steve I read every word. What happens is you are not actually seeing what you are writing. I do mean you well but it's clear that you do not see what you are actually doing by taking any/all comments and turning them into a text field of the benefits and wonders of Samadhi. Sorry but for me it gets really boring hearing about Samadhi esp for me as I have had all kinds of Samadhi's as I spent many years with Kriya Yoga but once the conversation is over you hang up the phone. take care Nowhereman
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 15:33:21 GMT -5
I think Samadhi is important, because its the means of seeing God in the most direct way, without the filter of an individualized self that "Knows" God. In Samadhi, knowing is dropped and only the experience of ISNESS with no knower remains. The closest thing I've been able to come up with regarding a model and reason for existence, and our perspective of separation and individuation, is that as individuals with a mind movement, we can Know God, we can "Know Thyself"....we can Know the infinite ISNESS of existence. In Samadhi, which is God Union, there is no experience of SELF or Knowing, only ISNESS. From the experience of ISNESS, knowing arises, and with it a Knower, which is the illusion of a separation from ISNESS. When the knower; the I AM, or "ME-ness" is released into Samadhi, the appearance of Subject and Object merge. When subject and object merge, the bifurcation of knower of self and self merge into union, which is God Union...but there is no knowing of Self in God Union (Samadhi)....so the Self re-emerges to Know Thyself. Our appearance of individuation, is God Knowing and expressing Thyself. all of the urges and desires that we have in life are God Knowing the various aspects of SELF. suffering does not appear to result from the desires that move us, rather, suffering is the result of attachment to one aspect of God over another, if we cling to a desire, or cling to any experience, instead of flowing, we suffer. Sometimes God wants to know thyself through the desire itself, and sometimes God wants to know thyself through a fullfillment of a desire...desires do not cause suffering, attachment to a stationary position or a clinging to something without being in flow causes suffering. But ultimately, ALL desires are God Knowing Thyself....When one is frequently open into Samadhi and then returning to a centeredness in the knower of SELF, i.e. the I AM, most other desires fall away, because one is taking the direct route ofknowing the essential SELF, versus other aspects of self. Clearing the Vasanas is basically a process of clearing the attachments that cause suffering. Desires are a natural and harmonious phenomena, and do not cause suffering in and of themselves, its the attachments that often develop from desires that cause suffering. Desires without attachment are the dance and play and joy of God knowing thyself in different ways. And when one's desire is of a spiritual dent, we are God knowing thyself in our most essential nature....the peak (so to speak), of knowing thyself in our most essential nature is the moving back and forth between Samadhi (the union of Knower and Known, Subject and Object in God Union) and the the appearance of a a Knower. In Samadhi, the knower ceases to exist, as does the knowing, in Samadhi, the knowing of God cedes to pure being of God, our most essential nature. If there is a frequent transition between God Being God, and God Knowing God, there is an increased intimacy with the most essential nature of our God SELF, versus the various other aspects of God that other desires bring us closer to. That intimacy with the most essential nature of ourselves, seems to make other desires less desirable ;-) So the question is: "Does "HE" have a burning bush?" Answer: If that is the way God happens to be Knowing God at the moment, then YES, if not, then know ;-) Steve do you see how you have a burning desire for Samadhi? /No offense but you are addicted to it. So much so that you truly enjoy going to lengths to speak about it. Some how you get some taste of it by writing about it. It's like a drug as you cannot seem Not to talk about it. It's like having a lover that creates such a obsession that every word becomes tainted with her smell, look, what have you. I would say to give it all up and see what comes your way. You may be surprised once the Samadhi walls come down what is released and comes your way. Just saying “When I am with you, we stay up all night. When you're not here, I can't go to sleep. Praise God for those two insomnias! And the difference between them.” ? Rumi “I want to see you. Know your voice. Recognize you when you first come 'round the corner. Sense your scent when I come into a room you've just left. Know the lift of your heel, the glide of your foot. Become familiar with the way you purse your lips then let them part, just the slightest bit, when I lean in to your space and kiss you. I want to know the joy of how you whisper "more” ? Rumi “silence is the language of god, all else is poor translation.” ? Rumi When the sweet glance of my true love caught my eyes, Like alchemy, it transformed my copper-like soul. I searched for Him with a thousand hands, He stretched out His arms and clutched my feet. -Rumi God and I have become like two giant fat people living in a tiny boat. We keep bumping into each other and laughing -Hafiz
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 15:35:56 GMT -5
Did you actually read the post, or just the first few stanzas and the start the mind going and typing? Steve I read every word. What happens is you are not actually seeing what you are writing. I do mean you well but it's clear that you do not see what you are actually doing by taking any/all comments and turning them into a text field of the benefits and wonders of Samadhi. Sorry but for me it gets really boring hearing about Samadhi esp for me as I have had all kinds of Samadhi's as I spent many years with Kriya Yoga but once the conversation is over you hang up the phone. take care Nowhereman Why are you imagining that I am not seeing what I am doing?
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