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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 21:46:35 GMT -5
No, its a conceptualization of Samadhi that occurs by this little wave over here.Samadhi is perceived with wonder and grace by the perceiver. Samadhi cannot be accurately described...cept to say that there is intense wakefulness and ISNESS without an experiencer. A conceptualization of an experience or an experience of a conceptualization? The former...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 23:27:58 GMT -5
I agree and folks are always tripping over semantics when it comes to ideas about physical separateness and deeper layers of unity or the non-physical... We can talk about life at different levels, we can talk about life at the level of physical separateness within it's own context or within the context of unity. As you say all contexts are valid, the most valid being the here and now before we start thinking about what the here and now is. Yes, though before thinking about what the here and now is, there's no context since there's no conceptualization. Lets just say that there's a context just not the same one that I've been habituated into conceptualizing the world with...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 23:31:41 GMT -5
I agree and folks are always tripping over semantics when it comes to ideas about physical separateness and deeper layers of unity or the non-physical... We can talk about life at different levels, we can talk about life at the level of physical separateness within it's own context or within the context of unity. As you say all contexts are valid, the most valid being the here and now before we start thinking about what the here and now is. Exactly that is why I mention what is called the provisional self in Vedanta. All it means is you recognize where you are and what you are dealing with and go from there. In Vedanta all things are valid and used for enlightenment. However what happens in most non dual circles is the complete opposite a actual ignoring of how things are by taking a truth only from the Self pov and bringing it down into the current reality then saying nothing needs to be done because that's just the way it really is and then they will simply stop there no more progress no more anything really..sad but true I agree, I see that happening a lot...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2013 1:56:54 GMT -5
If there's nothing accurate to communicate about it, be silent and be done with it. The same goes for your relationship or lack thereof with God. Wow Are you agitated? What kind of things would you like to see discussed on the forum, and how would you feel if someone told you to shut up about them lol? Do you feel that everyone should shut unless they are going to say something that you will find interesting?How would one know that ahead of posting, can you make a list for us? :-) This is more akin to what you've been doing the past few weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2013 2:03:51 GMT -5
Wow Are you agitated? What kind of things would you like to see discussed on the forum, and how would you feel if someone told you to shut up about them lol? Do you feel that everyone should shut unless they are going to say something that you will find interesting?How would one know that ahead of posting, can you make a list for us? :-) This is more akin to what you've been doing the past few weeks.I'm sorry if you feel that way Sharon, but can you point to anything that I have written here that would be indicative if that opinion?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2013 2:24:52 GMT -5
This is more akin to what you've been doing the past few weeks. I'm sorry if you feel that way Sharon, but can you point to anything that I have written here that would be indicative if that opinion? Yes, I can bring up at least 4 posts without even looking through your accounts too deeply, that indicate you only want to read about what you're interested in. The puzzling aspect of this attitude for me, is that although you may continue night after night, to say that This is All God you have no idea what, the major (and minor) implications of that statement are. This is all that Silence was saying to you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2013 3:24:50 GMT -5
I'm sorry if you feel that way Sharon, but can you point to anything that I have written here that would be indicative if that opinion? Yes, I can bring up at least 4 posts without even looking through your accounts too deeply, that indicate you only want to read about what you're interested in. The puzzling aspect of this attitude for me, is that although you may continue night after night, to say that This is All God you have no idea what, the major (and minor) implications of that statement are. This is all that Silence was saying to you. Okay, would you be so kind as to do so?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2013 3:36:29 GMT -5
Yes, I can bring up at least 4 posts without even looking through your accounts too deeply, that indicate you only want to read about what you're interested in. The puzzling aspect of this attitude for me, is that although you may continue night after night, to say that This is All God you have no idea what, the major (and minor) implications of that statement are. This is all that Silence was saying to you. Okay, would you be so kind as to do so? I have to go and say good bye to a good man that died of a heart attack at 47, leaving 2 daughters to grow up without their father now. Any chance you could clear up after yourself for a change?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2013 3:41:13 GMT -5
Okay, would you be so kind as to do so? I have to go and say good bye to a good man that died of a heart attack at 47, leaving 2 daughters to grow up without their father now. Any chance you could clear up after yourself for a change?:-)
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Post by enigma on Oct 10, 2013 18:54:50 GMT -5
If there's nothing accurate to communicate about it, be silent and be done with it. The same goes for your relationship or lack thereof with God. Wow Are you agitated? What kind of things would you like to see discussed on the forum, and how would you feel if someone told you to shut up about them lol? Do you feel that everyone should shut up unless they are going to say something that you will find interesting? How would one know that ahead of posting, can you make a list for us? :-) How did you turn it into an issue of interest on which you based your sarcasm?
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Post by enigma on Oct 10, 2013 18:56:26 GMT -5
Yes, though before thinking about what the here and now is, there's no context since there's no conceptualization. Lets just say that there's a context just not the same one that I've been habituated into conceptualizing the world with... Okay.
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Post by enigma on Oct 10, 2013 18:58:55 GMT -5
Wow Are you agitated? What kind of things would you like to see discussed on the forum, and how would you feel if someone told you to shut up about them lol? Do you feel that everyone should shut unless they are going to say something that you will find interesting?How would one know that ahead of posting, can you make a list for us? :-) This is more akin to what you've been doing the past few weeks.Oh, that's where the idea of interest came from.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2013 19:57:51 GMT -5
Lets just say that there's a context just not the same one that I've been habituated into conceptualizing the world with... Okay. The context is non-conceptual...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 16:45:23 GMT -5
About Gods Will ***************** I see most "enlightened" persons--> (that's the body they use to talk out from) seem to pray. They put their hands together to make a prayer. If God doesn't have a Will then I wonder why they pray? If one looks around at this world it is easy to see things are happening. We could say all the things happening are like particles floating in the ocean, just unfolding according to context. But then you have the Universes "Intelligence" that seems to be acting, creating "things" like DNA. One could say even DNA is the outcome of infinite possibilities in infinity. But then what are enlightened people praying for? Maybe they are faking, pretending to pray for bait? In creating personal heavens i.e. wealth, and all the things money buys one might visualize desired outcomes but the vision "never" turns out exactly they way it was envisioned. That is to say, the future is already basically in place through the power of prayers the former masters like Jesus prayed for. In that sense everything is clicking along just right. It might take a million years or less. Then one has to take examine the fruits of the "enlightened ones" to see how much God has reviled to them. Since God is infinite it would seem that there is no ending to new understandings also. Like splashing blue paint on a blue painting some might want to renter the "Allness" Some new enlightened person with limited understanding might say there is no Gods Will but like being both duality and not-duality at the same time it seems one can have choice and no-choice. So when we do our will we aren't necessary working in hamomny with the "Intelligence" of God. Like being greedy would be Not doing Gods Will because it is selfish and because it is not putting the WHOLE (which non-duality says we are first, it is being a hypocrite) Regarding God....your glass is already too full, and yet you keep trying to put more in....empty your glass of every last drop, and then you may find God there.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 12, 2013 6:23:42 GMT -5
In 1970 I took an Introduction to World Religions class. Before our final exam Mr. White (later Dr. White) told us the story of one of his first students and a test question on Zen Buddhism. Mr. White said the student turned in a blank sheet of paper.......and I had to give him an A. ......(....and then he said I'm telling you that story so that nobody will ever try it again........I was tempted to do likewise.......but didn't have the guts to do so.....) :-) sdp.
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