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Post by hybrid on Aug 18, 2013 19:46:38 GMT -5
Why do you say that? You saying we're all criminals? What? Of course not. Just impostors. that we are impostors is a wolrd view of the world as a play of god. we can also see the world as a game of hide and seek. the ego trying to find the real self. or immortality play it out to taste death or spirt evolves billions of years to create an eye to see itself. or just god explode himself just to see what comes out of his debris. hehe |
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 20:00:09 GMT -5
Yup. Of course, somebody has to be motivated to do that for some reason. its quite vague you know. i can make a case that that somebody is the universe itself doing its own thing. kind it's doing you. what would be the ramifications of rhat? The universe itself isn't a thinking, motivated entity, is it? Maybe this is at the heart of a lot of ideas around here that I have trouble with. |
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 20:02:11 GMT -5
Of course not. Just impostors. that we are impostors is a wolrd view of the world as a play of god. we can also see the world as a game of hide and seek. the ego trying to find the real self. or immortality play it out to taste death or spirt evolves billions of years to create an eye to see itself. or just god explode himself just to see what comes out of his debris. hehe That's it! We're God debris!  |
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Post by hybrid on Aug 18, 2013 20:04:20 GMT -5
its quite vague you know. i can make a case that that somebody is the universe itself doing its own thing. kind it's doing you. what would be the ramifications of rhat? The universe itself isn't a thinking, motivated entity, is it? Maybe this is at the heart of a lot of ideas around here that I have trouble with. how do you know?. its like saying a seed has no life in it. no leaves in it or no fruit in it. |
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 20:21:55 GMT -5
The universe itself isn't a thinking, motivated entity, is it? Maybe this is at the heart of a lot of ideas around here that I have trouble with. how do you know?. its like saying a seed has no life in it. no leaves in it or no fruit in it. I can't tell you how I know, but what you're constructing here is a personal God that you call the universe, who thinks and plans. You don't have to look far to see where all the thinking and planning is happening because it's happening right in front of your eyes. Who are you that everything is happening before you? Aren't you that 'universe' that you think is thinking and planning? Are YOU thinking and planning, or are you watching thinking and planning happen? |
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Post by hybrid on Aug 18, 2013 20:35:13 GMT -5
how do you know?. its like saying a seed has no life in it. no leaves in it or no fruit in it. I can't tell you how I know, but what you're constructing here is a personal God that you call the universe, who thinks and plans. You don't have to look far to see where all the thinking and planning is happening because it's happening right in front of your eyes. Who are you that everything is happening before you? Aren't you that 'universe' that you think is thinking and planning? Are YOU thinking and planning, or are you watching thinking and planning happen? uhm. not really. rhe somebody i used is a pronoun that refer to the universe. you are what the universe is actually doing right now. is what i meant. besides doing does not requires any attibute like motivation. what i am saying is even these are already worldviews. intrepretAtions of what wtf is going on. there is no end to what we can see or realize. however the happiest among them is that you can see and you exist from a cosmic point of view. |
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Post by hybrid on Aug 18, 2013 21:08:31 GMT -5
are you doing the breathing or the breathing just happen in you?
its a false dichotomy really.
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Post by hybrid on Aug 18, 2013 21:11:46 GMT -5
that we are impostors is a wolrd view of the world as a play of god. we can also see the world as a game of hide and seek. the ego trying to find the real self. or immortality play it out to taste death or spirt evolves billions of years to create an eye to see itself. or just god explode himself just to see what comes out of his debris. hehe That's it! We're God debris! as myths and metaphors, i think they are all true |
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Post by Ishtahota on Aug 19, 2013 16:10:46 GMT -5
In the Jesus stories, he was in the garden for 4 days and nights with no food or water, and he was praying. The devil appeared to him and offered him all that he could see if would follow him from then on. His answer was get the behind me Satin. This was what the mystics call the dark night of the soul. When the ego can step out and appear as a solid being. The Buddha also met his ego face to face under the tree right before he awakened. Some Native American cultures speak about facing old red eyes while on vision quest.
My fathers experience was similar to these. A horrible smell came to his room one night during a deep meditation. A horrible looking person said that he would make him a very, rich,powerful, and famous psychic if would only follow this being. When he refused to follow this being, it transformed into a person that looked like himself and then it disappeared.
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Post by silver on Aug 19, 2013 16:25:26 GMT -5
In the Jesus stories, he was in the garden for 4 days and nights with no food or water, and he was praying. The devil appeared to him and offered him all that he could see if would follow him from then on. His answer was get the behind me Satin. This was what the mystics call the dark night of the soul. When the ego can step out and appear as a solid being. The Buddha also met his ego face to face under the tree right before he awakened. Some Native American cultures speak about facing old red eyes while on vision quest. My fathers experience was similar to these. A horrible smell came to his room one night during a deep meditation. A horrible looking person said that he would make him a very, rich,powerful, and famous psychic if would only follow this being. When he refused to follow this being, it transformed into a person that looked like himself and then it disappeared. I love scary stories like this with the red eyes - this reminds me of the movie Mothman with Richard Gere - based on a true story, my son and I saw the movie and he read the book, both great and the movie scared me more than any. Explaining it the way you do makes it a lot less scary - to realize this 'evil' that seems outside ourselves is really just our own potential for that sort of thing. But I think there are real evil beings that are invisible - unless they want to show themselves. |
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Post by Ishtahota on Aug 19, 2013 16:44:16 GMT -5
Also in the Christians Bible it speaks of the light bearer, the most prized, and loved of all of the angels, known as lucifer. I think because we are in duality consciousness someone had to play the evil part. We have to see our reflection, something has to reflect back at us our inner polarization, our duality consciousness. I know in my own personal clearing work that I was sent some beings that felt and looked evil to me. When I over came my fears and learned to deal with my lessons the way I was supposed to, these beings turned into something a lot nicer. Then they would smile at me turn and walk away or fade out. All that I know for sure is that things are never as they seem.
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Post by silver on Aug 19, 2013 16:47:20 GMT -5
Also in the Christians Bible it speaks of the light bearer, the most prized, and loved of all of the angels, known as lucifer. I think because we are in duality consciousness someone had to play the evil part. We have to see our reflection, something has to reflect back at us our inner polarization, our duality consciousness. I know in my own personal clearing work that I was sent some beings that felt and looked evil to me. When I over came my fears and learned to deal with my lessons the way I was supposed to, these beings turned into something a lot nicer. Then they would smile at me turn and walk away or fade out. All that I know for sure is that things are never as they seem. So, isn't this (Life, the cosmos) all just a play, then? What happens if / when it's 'over'? or does it just keep going? |
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Post by enigma on Aug 19, 2013 16:59:21 GMT -5
I can't tell you how I know, but what you're constructing here is a personal God that you call the universe, who thinks and plans. You don't have to look far to see where all the thinking and planning is happening because it's happening right in front of your eyes. Who are you that everything is happening before you? Aren't you that 'universe' that you think is thinking and planning? Are YOU thinking and planning, or are you watching thinking and planning happen? uhm. not really. rhe somebody i used is a pronoun that refer to the universe. you are what the universe is actually doing right now. is what i meant. besides doing does not requires any attibute like motivation. what i am saying is even these are already worldviews. intrepretAtions of what wtf is going on. there is no end to what we can see or realize. however the happiest among them is that you can see and you exist from a cosmic point of view. Are you sure? Doing happens for no reason? |
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Post by Ishtahota on Aug 19, 2013 17:44:02 GMT -5
Also in the Christians Bible it speaks of the light bearer, the most prized, and loved of all of the angels, known as lucifer. I think because we are in duality consciousness someone had to play the evil part. We have to see our reflection, something has to reflect back at us our inner polarization, our duality consciousness. I know in my own personal clearing work that I was sent some beings that felt and looked evil to me. When I over came my fears and learned to deal with my lessons the way I was supposed to, these beings turned into something a lot nicer. Then they would smile at me turn and walk away or fade out. All that I know for sure is that things are never as they seem. So, isn't this (Life, the cosmos) all just a play, then? What happens if / when it's 'over'? or does it just keep going? I think that we are a big school and we are all evolving into something more. And the Earth herself along all of her creatures and plants are waiting on us the human race to make this next big leap. The ascension and/or the rapture are just a bunch of whooy. Wishful thinking. We messed this world up and we are going to have to fix it. This is a world of cause and effect and we have to learn that there are consequences for all of the things that we do. The world is going to change, and all we have to do is reach a critical mass consciousness point, then the rest will be forced to change or just simple live out their lives and then die off. |
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Aug 19, 2013 18:00:43 GMT -5
So, isn't this (Life, the cosmos) all just a play, then? What happens if / when it's 'over'? or does it just keep going? I think that we are a big school and we are all evolving into something more. That sounds like a strange perspective to me. Why should I learn anything or evolve into something or participate in some big universal project if soon I will die anyways? I won't be there to enjoy the fruits of all the work, so why should I make any effort? I don't owe anyone anything and I can't recall signing up for some weird evolution project. |
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