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Post by tzujanli on Aug 18, 2013 9:50:56 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. With each post, you are showing me your mind.. Be well.. Am I? Or am I showing you who I am? Both.. Be well..
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Post by hybrid on Aug 18, 2013 10:09:54 GMT -5
I read that one is supopose to starve the ego to death. This came form an Enlightened God-Man. I do not now think it is possible to starve the ego because the ego seems to mutate. when we want to save some effort to communicate to say a 4 rubber wheels attached to a chassis witj mounted engine that runs on gasoline with steering wheels etc etc etc we simply call it a car. so from now on everytime we want to refer to these contraption of things we simply call it by one name. so there is a conscious mental process of sensations, memory recalls discrimination thoughts association identifications .etc etc. this maybe what is referred to as the ego for short. ego is a result of thought proceses. how do you starve it? stop thinking. still the mind. discard all thoughts except the i thought
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 18:44:35 GMT -5
Oh I don't know. Building, defending, maintaining, tending a projected image of self or other seems to be a real activity. Question: What is the purpose of the ego? is it a distraction from our spiritual self, the bad guy or is its existence just necessary to the counterpart of … what? The Indian term for ego in Sanskrit is ahamkara and its function is to give a sense of unity or singularity to human experience—the feeling that experience is happening to some person, not just abstractly in the cosmic mind. It’s like the focal point of a lens that gathers all light and converges it into one point. Ahamkara is what allows us to say,” I am eating an apple” rather than an apple is being eaten. So the ego performs an essential function. The problem arises when the inner self, or Atman, is not fully awake. In this weakened state, instead of knowing our true status as unlimited, non-local pure consciousness, our sense of identity becomes overshadowed by our external experience. This is object referral instead of self-referral. Our sense of “I” is then defined by our body, our relationships, our possessions, our fears and desires. This unawakened version of the ego does generate distractions and obstacles to spiritual growth just by virtue of this self-perpetuating object referral pattern. The ego in itself is not the villain. Once self-realization occurs, the ego’s misappropriation of identity dissolves and its simple function of providing individuality to experience will remain even after enlightenment. -Chopra We could not navigate the world without an ego. Just as we discussed with the term 'mind', it all depends on how we define ego and what we do or don't include in that definition. The sense of self is present as long as consciousness is present, and it does indeed allow us to interact with the world, as it does with all sentient creatures. If that sense of self is included in one's definition of ego, then ego is essential. If ego only refers to the belief structure of mind/body identification, it is not essential and is highly problematic.
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 18:48:52 GMT -5
And yet, it doesn't exist. Try and show me yours. I can't see it, taste it, smell it, touch it. I can see the consequences of your ego in operation, but that's it. At best, ego can be considered an imaginary friend. At worse, it's an imaginary foe. But, the key word is "imaginary." Also, I don't believe we can arbitrarily throw out the Relative aspects of existence as imaginary. As Maharishi Mahesh Yogi once said- If duality is an illusion, then unity will not be established. He was one helluva metaphysician. Unity is also an illusion and doesn't need to be established. Oneness is the actuality, and this is not unity.
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 18:51:57 GMT -5
I don't know. Actually I'm just trying to keep communication open with "suppostly" enlightened people so that the wave function will work. I've also considered giving the ego everything it could ever want. But when I try it seems things do not flow, so I wonder if I've put out negative thought forms, or I'm not in alignment with the Tao (or Gods Will), or because of some previous commitment has set the future on a certain course. I once listen to a tape set and Lee Polous (spelled incorrectly) said, "the future creates the present through the background of the past." Also I've considered the possiblitily of angelic energies helping me to achieve some goal. I've also considered the demons tring to stop me from achieving enlightenment. Who knows. Then it could be my ego just fighting for it's life. Then it could be that enlightenment itself is not the Highest. Then it could be that I'm a fraud at some unconscious level. You're not a fraud - nobody's really a fraud. What would make you think that? Ego?? Everybody is a fraud.
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Post by hybrid on Aug 18, 2013 18:55:47 GMT -5
fraud? - intentionally deceitful to con somebody? dont think so
life more like a laisez-faire what ever will be will be
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Post by earnest on Aug 18, 2013 19:06:37 GMT -5
Embrace the pain, and you will win this game. Thanks seamless, that movie is doing my head in!!
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 19:15:27 GMT -5
I read that one is supopose to starve the ego to death. This came form an Enlightened God-Man. I do not now think it is possible to starve the ego because the ego seems to mutate. when we want to save some effort to communicate to say a 4 rubber wheels attached to a chassis witj mounted engine that runs on gasoline with steering wheels etc etc etc we simply call it a car. so from now on everytime we want to refer to these contraption of things we simply call it by one name. so there is a conscious mental process of sensations, memory recalls discrimination thoughts association identifications .etc etc. this maybe what is referred to as the ego for short. ego is a result of thought proceses. how do you starve it? stop thinking. still the mind. discard all thoughts except the i thought Yup. Of course, somebody has to be motivated to do that for some reason.
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 19:19:09 GMT -5
Why do you say that? You saying we're all criminals? What? Of course not. Just impostors.
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Post by laughter on Aug 18, 2013 19:22:12 GMT -5
Why do you say that? You saying we're all criminals? What? Of course not. Just impostors.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 19:24:07 GMT -5
when we want to save some effort to communicate to say a 4 rubber wheels attached to a chassis witj mounted engine that runs on gasoline with steering wheels etc etc etc we simply call it a car. so from now on everytime we want to refer to these contraption of things we simply call it by one name. so there is a conscious mental process of sensations, memory recalls discrimination thoughts association identifications .etc etc. this maybe what is referred to as the ego for short. ego is a result of thought proceses. how do you starve it? stop thinking. still the mind. discard all thoughts except the i thought Yup. Of course, somebody has to be motivated to do that for some reason. I think that 'somebody' is having tea with the Easter Bunny, a Unicorn and Bigfoot... They are real you know...
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 19:24:10 GMT -5
Of course not. Just impostors. That guy has a serious body hair problem.
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 19:25:39 GMT -5
Yup. Of course, somebody has to be motivated to do that for some reason. I think that 'somebody' is having tea with the Easter Bunny, a Unicorn and Bigfoot... They are real you know... I know. It's one of the truths of Andology.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 19:27:33 GMT -5
I think that 'somebody' is having tea with the Easter Bunny, a Unicorn and Bigfoot... They are real you know... I know. It's one of the truths of Andology. If you believe Andology is real, irrespective of truth, I have no choice but to believe your belief...
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Post by hybrid on Aug 18, 2013 19:42:07 GMT -5
when we want to save some effort to communicate to say a 4 rubber wheels attached to a chassis witj mounted engine that runs on gasoline with steering wheels etc etc etc we simply call it a car. so from now on everytime we want to refer to these contraption of things we simply call it by one name. so there is a conscious mental process of sensations, memory recalls discrimination thoughts association identifications .etc etc. this maybe what is referred to as the ego for short. ego is a result of thought proceses. how do you starve it? stop thinking. still the mind. discard all thoughts except the i thought Yup. Of course, somebody has to be motivated to do that for some reason. its quite vague you know. i can make a case that that somebody is the universe itself doing its own thing. kind it's doing you. what would be the ramifications of rhat?
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