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Post by hybrid on Jul 28, 2013 22:57:03 GMT -5
You're funny, Tzu. You wax on about parts and wholes, but when someone else does it, and acknowledges your position on it, you beat them with the "You're thinking too much" stick. Ishy is waiting to give you a golden shower, you shouldn't keep him long, it makes the spirits angry to wait. The spirits that I work with have all gone into the light and come back to work with us. They are for the most part impersonal and they do not get angry at us. They do not have the problems with the ego like we do because it drops away when we cross over into the light. i presume that these spirit light use rhe human brain as a portal to go back and forth to both worlds
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Post by onehandclapping on Jul 29, 2013 3:43:36 GMT -5
Greetings.. Yeah, I don't think Tzu is understanding that calling something an "appearance" is actually paying homage to the part-whole relationship. The Whole is always present, but it's face changes appearance from moment to moment as the parts re-arrange and come and go in the experience. Take everything you quoted Tzu saying and distill it into a single word. That word is "appearance". Knowing that something is just a surface appearance on the Whole doesn't change how one part interacts with another. It just means that after a Rhino charge and the danger passes, you're grinning your ass off while you wash your shorts in the stream. Thinking is all you do, Top.. think and chatter about what you think.. stop.. no, just full stop.. let clarity soak in.. let the 'appearance' story go, it has no value other than the illusion is creates.. How often have you had to 'wash your shorts'? seriously, how often have you put it all on the line without knowing the outcome probabilities? how often have you risked it ALL for a 'grin'? Be well.. You want us to engage in conversation with you but the second conversation is started you say we think too much?!?!! Hahaha. You crack me up dude. General Irony..... Errrr .... Tzu.... Now let me pick out one line of your post and do what you do..... "just full stop.." Tzu, YOU just need to stop and let clarity soak in. You use too many words and ideas to explain your concepts. Just stop. A full stop. Let the "appearance" of "an appearance" of reality go and just feel these words... Better yet test them. Take a risk and try it. May the golden showers rain down on you.... Be unwell.....
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Post by onehandclapping on Jul 29, 2013 3:46:09 GMT -5
You're funny, Tzu. You wax on about parts and wholes, but when someone else does it, and acknowledges your position on it, you beat them with the "You're thinking too much" stick. Ishy is waiting to give you a golden shower, you shouldn't keep him long, it makes the spirits angry to wait. The spirits that I work with have all gone into the light and come back to work with us. They are for the most part impersonal and they do not get angry at us. They do not have the problems with the ego like we do because it drops away when we cross over into the light. Some bodies been eating a few too many magic mushrooms in the teepee.....
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Post by Ishtahota on Jul 29, 2013 7:32:38 GMT -5
The spirits that I work with have all gone into the light and come back to work with us. They are for the most part impersonal and they do not get angry at us. They do not have the problems with the ego like we do because it drops away when we cross over into the light. i presume that these spirit light use rhe human brain as a portal to go back and forth to both worlds The spirits that have gone into the light need nothing from us on this world to go from one place to another.
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Post by Ishtahota on Jul 29, 2013 7:44:26 GMT -5
The spirits that I work with have all gone into the light and come back to work with us. They are for the most part impersonal and they do not get angry at us. They do not have the problems with the ego like we do because it drops away when we cross over into the light. Some bodies been eating a few too many magic mushrooms in the teepee..... People can actually do the work to develop conscious contact, but those people are few and far between. The plant medicines are but a temporary shortcut to show you that this stuff is real and those worlds are there. We still have to do the work.
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Post by onehandclapping on Jul 29, 2013 11:51:07 GMT -5
Some bodies been eating a few too many magic mushrooms in the teepee..... People can actually do the work to develop conscious contact, but those people are few and far between. The plant medicines are but a temporary shortcut to show you that this stuff is real and those worlds are there. We still have to do the work.It's only as real as you make it.... There is only THIS world, but you can create any imagined worlds you want to if it continues to support the story..... What work do we really have to do Ish? And why do we need to do this work? Cause I hate work..... I try and avoid it as much as possible..... Hehehe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 12:23:32 GMT -5
People can actually do the work to develop conscious contact, but those people are few and far between. The plant medicines are but a temporary shortcut to show you that this stuff is real and those worlds are there. We still have to do the work.It's only as real as you make it.... There is only THIS world, but you can create any imagined worlds you want to if it continues to support the story..... What work do we really have to do Ish? And why do we need to do this work? Cause I hate work..... I try and avoid it as much as possible..... Hehehe. Yes, there is nothing for anyone to do, or become, or learn, or practice, or work at, or purify... There is effortless-ness in our natural state... Having work to do, only applies to the constant maintaining of the false and unnatural idea of being a somebody, of being an individual, a separate something in an objective world. We are not solid objects. When we let go of that belief, we rest in the effortlessness of our natural state, of awareness or as the perceiver.
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Post by Ishtahota on Jul 29, 2013 14:04:54 GMT -5
People can actually do the work to develop conscious contact, but those people are few and far between. The plant medicines are but a temporary shortcut to show you that this stuff is real and those worlds are there. We still have to do the work.It's only as real as you make it.... There is only THIS world, but you can create any imagined worlds you want to if it continues to support the story..... What work do we really have to do Ish? And why do we need to do this work? Cause I hate work..... I try and avoid it as much as possible..... Hehehe. I can not help that you have had no real experiences.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 16:01:17 GMT -5
It's only as real as you make it.... There is only THIS world, but you can create any imagined worlds you want to if it continues to support the story..... What work do we really have to do Ish? And why do we need to do this work? Cause I hate work..... I try and avoid it as much as possible..... Hehehe. I can not help that have had no real experiences. Yes, they don't need your help, and you don't need theirs...
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Post by hybrid on Jul 29, 2013 17:31:18 GMT -5
Yes, there is nothing for anyone to do, or become, or learn, or practice, or work at, or purify... There is effortless-ness in our natural state... Having work to do, only applies to the constant maintaining of the false and unnatural idea of being a somebody, of being an individual, a separate something in an objective world. We are not solid objects. When we let go of that belief, we rest in the effortlessness of our natural state, of awareness or as the perceiver. its not as simple as there is nothing we have to do. its like saying to a drug addict your problem is very simple, just dont take drugs hahahaa people are addicted to thinking. it requires work lots of them to even undersrand the meaning of the what you are saying effortless natural state
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Post by onehandclapping on Jul 29, 2013 18:44:02 GMT -5
It's only as real as you make it.... There is only THIS world, but you can create any imagined worlds you want to if it continues to support the story..... What work do we really have to do Ish? And why do we need to do this work? Cause I hate work..... I try and avoid it as much as possible..... Hehehe. I can not help that you have had no real experiences. Huh? I guess you need to define "real experiences" if that is the case...... Spirits and ghosts and alternate plains of reality (aside from doing magic mushrooms in college once).......nope. If Drinking (or what my mind labels drinking) a (what my mind labels as a singular object) starbucks (what my mind perceives to be the order of these imagined things called letters creating a word that it pretends is a coffee shop) green tea(what my mind labels as a fluid named green tea) is (what my mind projects into fruition) a real experience.........H-E double hockey sticks YEAH!!! So what is a "real experience" Ishtahota? Is Ishtahota a real experiencer?
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Post by Ishtahota on Jul 29, 2013 19:17:59 GMT -5
You bring something to mind that I have not heard or said in years. If you can not dazzle them with your brilliance then baffle them with B.S.. I really can not blame you for your attitude, I grew up in the same world that you are growing up in. 99.9% of all of the spirit people out there are as full of it as a Christmas turkey. There are very few real people out there. If you want a real experience then ask them and they will send you someone someday. One word of warning, asking means that you have given them permission to make you ready for receiving the experience. Getting you ready may take awhile.
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Post by hybrid on Jul 29, 2013 20:19:16 GMT -5
to have a real experience there is the feeling and the object of this feelings?
wxample. i feel the earth as still. i am the experiencer and the object of my experience is earth.
although my experience of an earth is still is authentic feelings, we can say that thisis not a real experience since the earth spins very fast.
so we call something real relatively.
imo eating ice cream is as real experince as having an ephipany. although the later has a more lasting effect
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Post by silver on Jul 29, 2013 20:25:43 GMT -5
You bring something to mind that I have not heard or said in years. If you can not dazzle them with your brilliance then baffle them with B.S.. I really can not blame you for your attitude, I grew up in the same world that you are growing up in. 99.9% of all of the spirit people out there are as full of it as a Christmas turkey. There are very few real people out there. If you want a real experience then ask them and they will send you someone someday. One word of warning, asking means that you have given them permission to make you ready for receiving the experience. Getting you ready may take awhile. I have a weird question, Ishtahota. Is it possible that someone may accidentally or inadvertently 'ask' - and that's why their lives are going 'badly' - I'm fairly certain that will make some sense to you.
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Post by whiteshaman on Jul 29, 2013 20:32:59 GMT -5
Some bodies been eating a few too many magic mushrooms in the teepee..... People can actually do the work to develop conscious contact, but those people are few and far between. The plant medicines are but a temporary shortcut to show you that this stuff is real and those worlds are there. We still have to do the work. Hi ishtahota...my name here is WhiteShaman. I chose that name because I have developed conscious contact and have had many experiences supporting what you are sharing here. I have met a WhiteShaman while journeying. A WhiteShaman is like a Buddhist native American. Something I relate to. The work you speak of, as I have found, is establishing a relationship. All relationships require work. It is a pleasure to hear you speak of such things at this particular time for me as I had convinced myself to discard all of the experiences I have had. No more though, and it feels good to come full circle. I just wanted to say that and to say hello. I would appreciate hearing from you the work you feel is needed. As far as mushrooms go and the likes of such comments, I have found that there are things that help the mind become free of its limitations. For me it is the sound of a Shamanic drum and for many of the ancestors it was plants and mushrooms. Blessings, WhiteShaman
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