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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 17:09:21 GMT -5
1. No, Gorrell is not escaping reality by changing its very texture. She sees "what is" and responds to it directly rather than seeing it through the mediation of thought. She sees reality more clearly than people who see it through the filters of thought. Not seeing her kind of reality clearly and responding only through mediation of thought is "what is" for us. This "ignorance" is real and effective, it can't be discussed away. So she clearly does inhabit another kind of reality if she doesn't share our collective madness. Your "what is" is not at all obvious, if it were then there would never be a disagreement. Uglyness is one of the effects of our "what is", you can ignore and escape it but it's still real for normal people. But of course you think in terms of "a solution". You are not at all in solidarity with normal people if you deny the reality of their condition. They are just as action-oriented as you are. The only difference is that they act upon a different context than you. Our horrific acts and the mental constructs of which they are an effect can't be separated. "What is" for us is precisely that, you're in denial if you reject it as merely a distortion of something. Who we are and what controls us is not only your "what is", it's also the illusion that causes us to torture and kill. The so-called illusion is as much a "what is" as your absolute reality. Nonsense! You are talking about yourself as if you are an infallible saint. Sages clearly don't always know what they have to do, they clearly don't always promote "peace, understanding and tolerance". In claiming that they do you're already admitting that sages do think in terms of "huge abstractions" and are not at all immune against illusion. When talking about children it's dishonest to only pick the positive aspects. Children are cruel, profoundly egotistical and very stupid creatures. And before that they are just animals. It's not children that are cruel, profoundly egotistical and very stupid creatures, it' your perceptions...hehe
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Post by silver on Jul 18, 2013 17:20:05 GMT -5
Not seeing her kind of reality clearly and responding only through mediation of thought is "what is" for us. This "ignorance" is real and effective, it can't be discussed away. So she clearly does inhabit another kind of reality if she doesn't share our collective madness. Your "what is" is not at all obvious, if it were then there would never be a disagreement. Uglyness is one of the effects of our "what is", you can ignore and escape it but it's still real for normal people. But of course you think in terms of "a solution". You are not at all in solidarity with normal people if you deny the reality of their condition. They are just as action-oriented as you are. The only difference is that they act upon a different context than you. Our horrific acts and the mental constructs of which they are an effect can't be separated. "What is" for us is precisely that, you're in denial if you reject it as merely a distortion of something. Who we are and what controls us is not only your "what is", it's also the illusion that causes us to torture and kill. The so-called illusion is as much a "what is" as your absolute reality. Nonsense! You are talking about yourself as if you are an infallible saint. Sages clearly don't always know what they have to do, they clearly don't always promote "peace, understanding and tolerance". In claiming that they do you're already admitting that sages do think in terms of "huge abstractions" and are not at all immune against illusion. When talking about children it's dishonest to only pick the positive aspects. Children are cruel, profoundly egotistical and very stupid creatures. And before that they are just animals. It's not children that are cruel, profoundly egotistical and very stupid creatures, it' your perceptions...hehe Children can be mirrors just the same as adults can...a little from A and a little from B...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 17:36:58 GMT -5
It's not children that are cruel, profoundly egotistical and very stupid creatures, it' your perceptions...hehe Children can be mirrors just the same as adults can...a little from A and a little from B... Your reason is getting in the way of your awareness of the perception of children and adults.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Jul 18, 2013 17:53:08 GMT -5
*puts palms together in gassho, bows, and walks away in silence* This topic is important and not sufficiently explored. It's a pity that you don't want to discuss it.
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Post by laughter on Jul 18, 2013 18:07:06 GMT -5
*puts palms together in gassho, bows, and walks away in silence* This topic is important and not sufficiently explored. It's a pity that you don't want to discuss it. Hey cheer up CPQ! ... At least you got the last word!
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 18, 2013 18:11:23 GMT -5
Greetings.. Children can be mirrors just the same as adults can...a little from A and a little from B... Your reason is getting in the way of your awareness of the perception of children and adults. Your need to say something that you think sounds cool is getting in the way of your own self-awareness.. Be well..
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Jul 18, 2013 18:22:41 GMT -5
This topic is important and not sufficiently explored. It's a pity that you don't want to discuss it. Hey cheer up CPQ! ... At least you got the last word! Getting the last word is easy. But every once in a while I also want a good discussion. Everytime it gets interesting Bobby suggests that I'm stuck in mind and runs away.
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Post by laughter on Jul 18, 2013 18:29:45 GMT -5
Hey cheer up CPQ! ... At least you got the last word! Getting the last word is easy. But every once in a while I also want a good discussion.Everytime it gets interesting Bobby suggests that I'm stuck in mind and runs away.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 21:28:34 GMT -5
Greetings.. Your reason is getting in the way of your awareness of the perception of children and adults. Your need to say something that you think sounds cool is getting in the way of your own self-awareness.. Be well.. Your perception of trf thinking his words sound cool and are getting in his way of self-awareness, has nothing to do with awareness, well it does kinda... It has everything to do with your insane reasonableness...
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 18, 2013 23:24:06 GMT -5
Greetings.. Children can be mirrors just the same as adults can...a little from A and a little from B... Your reason is getting in the way of your awareness of the perception of children and adults. I perceive children and adults laughing and crying, living and dying.. it's observations, no 'reason' needed.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 1:42:48 GMT -5
Hey cheer up CPQ! ... At least you got the last word! Getting the last word is easy. But every once in a while I also want a good discussion. Everytime it gets interesting Bobby suggests that I'm stuck in mind and runs away. He hasn't run away. He's bowed out of a conversation that isn't going to go anywhere. When you admit to yourself that you're only adding to the problems that you write about, because you are too scared to do anything different, then maybe, he will be moved to stay with you longer.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Jul 19, 2013 5:01:23 GMT -5
Getting the last word is easy. But every once in a while I also want a good discussion.Everytime it gets interesting Bobby suggests that I'm stuck in mind and runs away. Exactly, he gets off by telling people what to think and do, just like everyone else, which is okay, but it's embarrassing that he still isn't honest about it despite all his spiritual medals and all his super-duper wisdom. Whenever someone pulls the "stuck in mind" or "TMT" routine you can be 100% sure that the guy is full of shít.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Jul 19, 2013 5:02:33 GMT -5
Getting the last word is easy. But every once in a while I also want a good discussion. Everytime it gets interesting Bobby suggests that I'm stuck in mind and runs away. He hasn't run away. He's bowed out of a conversation that isn't going to go anywhere. When you admit to yourself that you're only adding to the problems that you write about, because you are too scared to do anything different, then maybe, he will be moved to stay with you longer.Woman, that's what I'm talking about. He is only "discussing" when people submit to his narrative. And when they don't, like in this case, then he and his fans say that the discussion isn't going anywhere, that I'm too scared, adding to problems, etc. It's reeking of ego, which is okay, it's only when one isn't honest about it that it becomes a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 5:56:14 GMT -5
honesty, so important for progress
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 8:02:25 GMT -5
´´t he peeps who obsess over energy and believe in some kind of ascension, instead of simply seeing it as the way the universe has always worked.´´
so glad to know there is someone out there who knows ´´how the universe has always worked.You up for the nobelprize then toppie??still hurts like hell dont it toppie.? better push that ''energy'' away, . opening this painful energy to the light, spirit, wtever you want to call it, that is ascending. then, the light dissolves the pain and somtimes (often) subsequently touches upon a deeper layer of past trauma, which comes to the surface.That may or may not cristallise in situations in real life that will help you to resolve (dissolve) these old patterns.You know all that, so why take snipeshots at me?Stop playing games dude. what i get from you is only the hurt, and not the light.Why you sit there with your snipergun , shooting at everything that doesnt fit your beliefsystem. though now you have become quite creepy as well, doing it in unrelated threads, while greeting me with a fake smile ''welcome back sunshine'' in another thread. Or do you too suffer from multiple personality disorder? That would explain it all. Hold the nasty bastard in check please? luckily i get a lot of support from some others here who apparently DO know what i mean with energy, and not words.Thanks guys/gals.! and to clarify : i may be psychic, or partly cosmic conscious, (if such a term exists)but i do not pick brains.Humans are totally uninteresting, generally.People are afraid i can see their dark secrets.Theu think they are the only one.After a year it gets boring and cumbersome even. thankfully there is now some higher ''guidance'' that just shows me what i need to know to be able to (re) act in a certain situation. you can call that woo woo, i dont care.Your ignorance, not mine. What i notice is that, while living in the perfect flow (as astrokite/butterfly i gave a few examples of how that works in my life, kind of ''jed'=ish.),( i know very well what that means), sometimes you need all attention, as a ''catastrophic'' energy may slip in unguarded in an instant, as happened to me a while ago(a couple of weeks after i had left the forum ).Then it is back with feet on the ground until that particular pattern has run its course, with me just being there, paying attention, exposing it to the light. Fetch water,carry wood.(i do that litterally.btw) That is ascension again. But everytime, i get wider,clearer..I know, advaitist arent interested in all that. They disconnect, discard the ego. Escapism.Psychology calls it dissociation. Bless them if they can get free from this ego shit.Just dont claim it is the only thing one can do.Because that is real ignorance.If you like read my reply to Alfio in the other thread. enjoy your life, receive some light, it is for free. sunshine Hi Sunshine, It looks like I made quite the impression on you the last time you were here. I'm glad that you finally came clean about being both butterfly and sunshine as it looked like you created the sunshine account to simply give Tzu props, trying to cast the illusion that there were more people supporting him. But your creation of the second account just came across as you trying to manipulate people's perception, it was a deception. An obvious one as I had no problem recognizing you were the same person as butterfly: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/114870/threadYou have a superiority complex about being psychic and intuitive. You are still emotionally reactive as you have fixated on me because I irritate you so much. My first and, prior to this, only response to your return to the board was to say Hi!. Your two responses to me have both been personal attacks. I'll let you sit with that for a while. If it is so easy for me to get under your skin and get you to fixate on and attack me, maybe you're not really the master of your own house like you think you are. you have a selective memory ..and apparently i got under your skin, since you took the trouble to find back that post, a few pages/days after that i already came clean, for your convenience i copied what i wrote there...you conveniently forgot that or are you just a nasty liar...i bet the latter... you have an inferiority complex about not being psychic and intuitive...how´s that for pseudo psychology?
cant help you with your addiction...you are way superior to me intellectually and for healing a certain amount of humilty is required...
since you are such a friendly and helpful person could you explain to me please how i can ban you from my posts?
how does that banning work?Is there anything i can do to get you out of my life without losing my friends here as well??
of course you could show you are a real MAN, and just walk away from this site...John Wayne style...
I mean : you cant post in my threads?
or reply to my posts?
or i just wont get emails when you posted..or can i ban you altogether from this forum...
that would create an altogether new reality,
much more agreeable, as friendly and helpful persons like you arent really my thing you know...
oh, i am ranting, sorry about that...must be my spiritual ego... here´s the post, i use the word gnome, but i guess it should be troll,
back then i was so naive to think you werent doing this on purpose.But it is perverse, actually.
and GOODBYE
(i recall you were quite desperate the lastime we parted, so i send you some light to make it easier for you...)i am not worried about ´´my´´ spiritual ego.
I am empty and stuff passes through me I merely reflect. I feel pain from some of you, I transform it. But it is much easier if you cooperate...but little critters dont want that...they just want to gnaw and nag at Truth.
so... the ego?
i love it.
if it is there, so be it.
i hold it up to the light.
it dissolves.little by little.
btw
i said in another thread (way to liberation page 6 i think) that i was leaving because there were no ´´real teachers ´´ here on the forum. And nobody is interested in the content of what i say anyway. Because i point to a mind vastly superior. The words from there carry light in them, litterally, but you guys can not see that. You want my feeble and incompetent translations.
I refuse that.
All the time i was hampered ´´bud sniffer and the jurk´´ (that is TOPOLOGY) and i can find them everywhere, dont need a forum for that.
that evening though, after my ´´goodbeye´´ I had a stong telepathic message : ´´check out mr Tzujanli´´ so i went inside and there it was :
crystal clear , beautiful peace and clarity.Stillness, freshness (freshness cant be faked, it is a hallmark of Truth)
wow
i had never engaged in any of the threads where he was, because i saw just critters giving each other a hard time, and the unbearable noise of them drowned the silence of Mr Tzujanli.
so in a clumsy attempt to avoid the critters (bud etc.) i created another account (sunshine)because i felt I had done mr Tzujanli an injustice, (and you guys as well, for not pointing to him).
anyway, he doesnt need me or anybody.He can stand his ground,no matter what.
I wish you could feel what he´s got.He wants to share it.Just be silent.Humble, not to a´´body´´ with a name ´´tzujanli´´ but a Presence that is You , too
it is a simple delight just to be
in his Presence for a while.
thank you, sir.
i am not a nondualist, and i seem to have a different path. But you have a big part of the puzzle.
seperate :
if a rocket scientist comes to you and says he knows more about rocket science than you, is he lying, or a raging ego? if he says you play with firecrackers pretending to be rocket scientists?
there IS hierachy, and if you cant get that, you´ll never get anywhere but (perhaps)nirvana.That just needs concentration and perseverence...and your ego will rage on underneath.
prayer and humilty are part of my (gotta be careful here what i say) ´´tool´´ box.But i am not humble to critters who just mess people up for the fun of it.
if top says (another thread) ´´i have read the bhagavad gita and got from it what i wanted´´,
to me that sounds like ´´i already have a book´´...
meanwhile he asks stupid questions without ever referring to the tru content.he goes on about inconsistency but is mr inconsistent himself.
that is, btw not TOP, (who is Nothing) but a little part of him that thinks it is very clever.
He cannot see it because it s been there all his life, the mechanism is very subtle.
There´s lot of little ego´s inside one person.Either shut them up and go to nondual nirvana, OR wake up, hold them to the light. And then you have hierarchy.
God is a tiny bit bigger than your critters.
soo... i dont need a tiny gnome hanging on the leg of my pant,hampering my stride saying in a squeeky voice ``it´s that way , it is that way!´´ pointing to where i just come from.´´´
i can see where i am, and even where i am going.
and
i am not ´´done´´
ever.
wish you all the very best.
butterfly
Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/2682?page=17#ixzz2ZUijrLZh
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