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Post by laughter on Apr 16, 2013 23:21:25 GMT -5
Greetings.. Seriously? I'm well within my rights to simply reply with a re-post of top's dog-with-a-bone at this point but if you will clarify as to whether or not your speaking of this promise made here: then I promise to keep a straight face and simply quote and bold the applicable parts from the post that I linked you back to once already previously before like I did that one time back then. Nevermind.. do you discern a difference between motive and a 'story about why'?.. or, did you just overlook that portion of the previous discussion.. Be well.. To be honest with you if this was a point you were trying to convey it got past me ... no I don't see a difference really. We can talk about motive in the present tense but really, once one takes the time to consider it it's either in the past, or if it's constant, it will at least by necessity need to refer to the past. I guess someone can consider motive while they're acting but that seems a special case to me. You can't really query someone about a motive for something they haven't actually started yet unless they tell you what they're planning to do ahead of time.
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Post by tzujanli on Apr 17, 2013 4:51:18 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Nevermind.. do you discern a difference between motive and a 'story about why'?.. or, did you just overlook that portion of the previous discussion.. Be well.. To be honest with you if this was a point you were trying to convey it got past me ... no I don't see a difference really. We can talk about motive in the present tense but really, once one takes the time to consider it it's either in the past, or if it's constant, it will at least by necessity need to refer to the past. I guess someone can consider motive while they're acting but that seems a special case to me. You can't really query someone about a motive for something they haven't actually started yet unless they tell you what they're planning to do ahead of time. Hi Laughter: You are skilled at evasion.. i have no idea what your post means relative to the question of a 'story of why you're in this'.. you seem to reference past events, often past posts of mine, yet here you set-up the opportunity for the observer to interpret your meaning as resistance to referencing the past.. why not just answer the question, do you intend to tell the story of why you're in this? By the way, i appreciate your interpretation of Top's post about the sub-conscious, it is similar to my own understanding, but not quite.. i will address Top's post later, when there is sufficient time to do so.. it's getting close to a substantive issue of 'understanding' who/what we 'are'.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 5:28:18 GMT -5
havent followed this thread, just a few things here and there, and am not going to
it puts me right where i been all my life: in my head
now i am laughing my head off at these intellectual gymnastics on the square centimeter.
´´how vain it is sto sit down and write if you havent stood up and lived´´ (thoreau)
tzu, these guys are hardcore dualists.
One has a girlfriend, the other a kid. Core attachments. KILL THE KID !!JED would say. Kill the babe !!!
another has a SERIOUS forum addiction with an ego as big as the number of posts.(Walk away from it mr top poster!but you cant can you !?)Hardcore dualist !!!Go find ´´computer addict anonymous´´ or stingh like that
look at the little critters in your head that create your replies.Ugly mthefckers they are too !
to me this is all stories :I come with an empty mind, engage in a discussion aimed at coming to an empty mind.
totally useless waste of time.
GET A LIFE !!!
FREEDOM !!!!
bless all
butterfly
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Post by topology on Apr 17, 2013 7:04:12 GMT -5
havent followed this thread, just a few things here and there, and am not going to it puts me right where i been all my life: in my head now i am laughing my head off at these intellectual gymnastics on the square centimeter. ´´how vain it is sto sit down and write if you havent stood up and lived´´ (thoreau) tzu, these guys are hardcore dualists. One has a girlfriend, the other a kid. Core attachments. KILL THE KID !!JED would say. Kill the babe !!! another has a SERIOUS forum addiction with an ego as big as the number of posts.(Walk away from it mr top poster!but you cant can you !?)Hardcore dualist !!!Go find ´´computer addict anonymous´´ or stingh like that look at the little critters in your head that create your replies.Ugly mthefckers they are too ! to me this is all stories :I come with an empty mind, engage in a discussion aimed at coming to an empty mind. totally useless waste of time. GET A LIFE !!! FREEDOM !!!! bless all butterfly You are arrogant.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 7:43:02 GMT -5
havent followed this thread, just a few things here and there, and am not going to it puts me right where i been all my life: in my head now i am laughing my head off at these intellectual gymnastics on the square centimeter. ´´how vain it is sto sit down and write if you havent stood up and lived´´ (thoreau) tzu, these guys are hardcore dualists. One has a girlfriend, the other a kid. Core attachments. KILL THE KID !!JED would say. Kill the babe !!! another has a SERIOUS forum addiction with an ego as big as the number of posts.(Walk away from it mr top poster!but you cant can you !?)Hardcore dualist !!!Go find ´´computer addict anonymous´´ or stingh like that look at the little critters in your head that create your replies.Ugly mthefckers they are too ! to me this is all stories :I come with an empty mind, engage in a discussion aimed at coming to an empty mind. totally useless waste of time. GET A LIFE !!! FREEDOM !!!! bless all butterfly aye
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Post by laughter on Apr 17, 2013 8:34:15 GMT -5
Greetings.. To be honest with you if this was a point you were trying to convey it got past me ... no I don't see a difference really. We can talk about motive in the present tense but really, once one takes the time to consider it it's either in the past, or if it's constant, it will at least by necessity need to refer to the past. I guess someone can consider motive while they're acting but that seems a special case to me. You can't really query someone about a motive for something they haven't actually started yet unless they tell you what they're planning to do ahead of time. Hi Laughter: You are skilled at evasion.. i have no idea what your post means relative to the question of a 'story of why you're in this'.. you seem to reference past events, often past posts of mine, yet here you set-up the opportunity for the observer to interpret your meaning as resistance to referencing the past.. why not just answer the question, do you intend to tell the story of why you're in this?
By the way, i appreciate your interpretation of Top's post about the sub-conscious, it is similar to my own understanding, but not quite.. i will address Top's post later, when there is sufficient time to do so.. it's getting close to a substantive issue of 'understanding' who/what we 'are'.. Be well.. Two reasons: when you said "nevermind" I took that to mean "nevermind about the story". The other is that the story has already been told and apparently you've overlooked it ... this is the third time that you've asked for the story since it was told ... after the first I linked you back to it. You'll have to answer the question here that you ignored because based on that sequence of events there appears to be a misunderstanding, and you'll have to clear that up first. Are you just trying to cover up the fact that you missed it? And to re-iterate, although you didn't face it, I maintain that motive is nothing but story regardless of whether it is from the side of supply or demand.
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Post by silence on Apr 17, 2013 13:55:54 GMT -5
havent followed this thread, just a few things here and there, and am not going to it puts me right where i been all my life: in my head now i am laughing my head off at these intellectual gymnastics on the square centimeter. ´´how vain it is sto sit down and write if you havent stood up and lived´´ (thoreau) tzu, these guys are hardcore dualists. One has a girlfriend, the other a kid. Core attachments. KILL THE KID !!JED would say. Kill the babe !!! another has a SERIOUS forum addiction with an ego as big as the number of posts.(Walk away from it mr top poster!but you cant can you !?)Hardcore dualist !!!Go find ´´computer addict anonymous´´ or stingh like that look at the little critters in your head that create your replies.Ugly mthefckers they are too ! to me this is all stories :I come with an empty mind, engage in a discussion aimed at coming to an empty mind. totally useless waste of time. GET A LIFE !!! FREEDOM !!!! bless all butterfly Nondual police is here. Everyone scatter!
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Post by enigma on Apr 17, 2013 14:15:53 GMT -5
havent followed this thread, just a few things here and there, and am not going to it puts me right where i been all my life: in my head now i am laughing my head off at these intellectual gymnastics on the square centimeter. ´´how vain it is sto sit down and write if you havent stood up and lived´´ (thoreau) tzu, these guys are hardcore dualists. One has a girlfriend, the other a kid. Core attachments. KILL THE KID !!JED would say. Kill the babe !!! another has a SERIOUS forum addiction with an ego as big as the number of posts.(Walk away from it mr top poster!but you cant can you !?)Hardcore dualist !!!Go find ´´computer addict anonymous´´ or stingh like that look at the little critters in your head that create your replies.Ugly mthefckers they are too ! to me this is all stories :I come with an empty mind, engage in a discussion aimed at coming to an empty mind. totally useless waste of time. GET A LIFE !!! FREEDOM !!!! bless all butterfly Nondual police is here. Everyone scatter! I'm not worried cuz I have my nonduality badge with me. I'll just stay here and play cool. I wasn't clear about girlfriends and kids and hardcore dualists, oh my!, but the spiritual ego projection came through pretty clear.
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Post by tzujanli on Apr 18, 2013 5:02:49 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Hi Laughter: You are skilled at evasion.. i have no idea what your post means relative to the question of a 'story of why you're in this'.. you seem to reference past events, often past posts of mine, yet here you set-up the opportunity for the observer to interpret your meaning as resistance to referencing the past.. why not just answer the question, do you intend to tell the story of why you're in this?
By the way, i appreciate your interpretation of Top's post about the sub-conscious, it is similar to my own understanding, but not quite.. i will address Top's post later, when there is sufficient time to do so.. it's getting close to a substantive issue of 'understanding' who/what we 'are'.. Be well.. Two reasons: when you said "nevermind" I took that to mean "nevermind about the story". The other is that the story has already been told and apparently you've overlooked it ... this is the third time that you've asked for the story since it was told ... after the first I linked you back to it. You'll have to answer the question here that you ignored because based on that sequence of events there appears to be a misunderstanding, and you'll have to clear that up first. Are you just trying to cover up the fact that you missed it? And to re-iterate, although you didn't face it, I maintain that motive is nothing but story regardless of whether it is from the side of supply or demand. Motive speaks to why you do something.. you offered to tell the story of 'why you're in this', your choice to be 'here'.. you tried to explain 'motive', but you haven't told the story of why you're in this.. for the effort you have put to referencing and re-referencing your claim of motive, you could have already told the story offered.. just sayin'.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2013 5:25:28 GMT -5
Nondual police is here. Everyone scatter! I'm not worried cuz I have my nonduality badge with me. I'll just stay here and play cool. I wasn't clear about girlfriends and kids and hardcore dualists, oh my!, but the spiritual ego projection came through pretty clear. i am not worried about ´´my´´ spiritual ego.
I am empty and stuff passes through me I merely reflect. I feel pain from some of you, I transform it. But it is much easier if you cooperate...but little critters dont want that...they just want to gnaw and nag at Truth.
so... the ego?
i love it.
if it is there, so be it.
i hold it up to the light.
it dissolves.little by little.
btw
i said in another thread (way to liberation page 6 i think) that i was leaving because there were no ´´real teachers ´´ here on the forum. And nobody is interested in the content of what i say anyway. Because i point to a mind vastly superior. The words from there carry light in them, litterally, but you guys can not see that. You want my feeble and incompetent translations.
I refuse that.
All the time i was hampered ´´bud sniffer and the jurk´´ and i can find them everywhere, dont need a forum for that.
that evening though, after my ´´goodbeye´´ I had a stong telepathic message : ´´check out mr Tzujanli´´ so i went inside and there it was :
crystal clear , beautiful peace and clarity.Stillness, freshness (freshness cant be faked, it is a hallmark of Truth)
wow
i had never engaged in any of the threads where he was, because i saw just critters giving each other a hard time, and the unbearable noise of them drowned the silence of Mr Tzujanli.
so in a clumsy attempt to avoid the critters (bud etc.) i created another account (sunshine)because i felt I had done mr Tzujanli an injustice, (and you guys as well, for not pointing to him).
anyway, he doesnt need me or anybody.He can stand his ground,no matter what.
I wish you could feel what he´s got.He wants to share it.Just be silent.Humble, not to a´´body´´ with a name ´´tzujanli´´ but a Presence that is You , too
it is a simple delight just to be
in his Presence for a while.
thank you, sir.
i am not a nondualist, and i seem to have a different path. But you have a big part of the puzzle.
seperate :
if a rocket scientist comes to you and says he knows more about rocket science than you, is he lying, or a raging ego? if he says you play with firecrackers pretending to be rocket scientists?
there IS hierachy, and if you cant get that, you´ll never get anywhere but (perhaps)nirvana.That just needs concentration and perseverence...and your ego will rage on underneath.
prayer and humilty are part of my (gotta be careful here what i say) ´´tool´´ box.But i am not humble to critters who just mess people up for the fun of it.
if top says (another thread) ´´i have read the bhagavad gita and got from it what i wanted´´,
to me that sounds like ´´i already have a book´´...
meanwhile he asks stupid questions without ever referring to the tru content.he goes on about inconsistency but is mr inconsistent himself.
that is, btw not TOP, (who is Nothing) but a little part of him that thinks it is very clever.
He cannot see it because it s been there all his life, the mechanism is very subtle.
There´s lot of little ego´s inside one person.Either shut them up and go to nondual nirvana, OR wake up, hold them to the light. And then you have hierarchy.
God is a tiny bit bigger than your critters.
soo... i dont need a tiny gnome hanging on the leg of my pant,hampering my stride saying in a squeeky voice ``it´s that way , it is that way!´´ pointing to where i just come from.´´´
i can see where i am, and even where i am going.
and
i am not ´´done´´
ever.
wish you all the very best.
butterfly
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Post by topology on Apr 18, 2013 9:00:44 GMT -5
I'm not worried cuz I have my nonduality badge with me. I'll just stay here and play cool. I wasn't clear about girlfriends and kids and hardcore dualists, oh my!, but the spiritual ego projection came through pretty clear. i am not worried about ´´my´´ spiritual ego.
I am empty and stuff passes through me I merely reflect. I feel pain from some of you, I transform it. But it is much easier if you cooperate...but little critters dont want that...they just want to gnaw and nag at Truth.
so... the ego?
i love it.
if it is there, so be it.
i hold it up to the light.
it dissolves.little by little.
btw
i said in another thread (way to liberation page 6 i think) that i was leaving because there were no ´´real teachers ´´ here on the forum. And nobody is interested in the content of what i say anyway. Because i point to a mind vastly superior. The words from there carry light in them, litterally, but you guys can not see that. You want my feeble and incompetent translations.
I refuse that.
All the time i was hampered ´´bud sniffer and the jurk´´ and i can find them everywhere, dont need a forum for that.
that evening though, after my ´´goodbeye´´ I had a stong telepathic message : ´´check out mr Tzujanli´´ so i went inside and there it was :
crystal clear , beautiful peace and clarity.Stillness, freshness (freshness cant be faked, it is a hallmark of Truth)
wow
i had never engaged in any of the threads where he was, because i saw just critters giving each other a hard time, and the unbearable noise of them drowned the silence of Mr Tzujanli.
so in a clumsy attempt to avoid the critters (bud etc.) i created another account (sunshine)because i felt I had done mr Tzujanli an injustice, (and you guys as well, for not pointing to him).
anyway, he doesnt need me or anybody.He can stand his ground,no matter what.
I wish you could feel what he´s got.He wants to share it.Just be silent.Humble, not to a´´body´´ with a name ´´tzujanli´´ but a Presence that is You , too
it is a simple delight just to be
in his Presence for a while.
thank you, sir.
i am not a nondualist, and i seem to have a different path. But you have a big part of the puzzle.
seperate :
if a rocket scientist comes to you and says he knows more about rocket science than you, is he lying, or a raging ego? if he says you play with firecrackers pretending to be rocket scientists?
there IS hierachy, and if you cant get that, you´ll never get anywhere but (perhaps)nirvana.That just needs concentration and perseverence...and your ego will rage on underneath.
prayer and humilty are part of my (gotta be careful here what i say) ´´tool´´ box. But i am not humble to critters who just mess people up for the fun of it.
if top says (another thread) ´´i have read the bhagavad gita and got from it what i wanted´´,
to me that sounds like ´´i already have a book´´...
meanwhile he asks stupid questions without ever referring to the tru content.he goes on about inconsistency but is mr inconsistent himself.
that is, btw not TOP, (who is Nothing) but a little part of him that thinks it is very clever.
He cannot see it because it s been there all his life, the mechanism is very subtle.
There´s lot of little ego´s inside one person.Either shut them up and go to nondual nirvana, OR wake up, hold them to the light. And then you have hierarchy.
God is a tiny bit bigger than your critters.
soo... i dont need a tiny gnome hanging on the leg of my pant,hampering my stride saying in a squeeky voice ``it´s that way , it is that way!´´ pointing to where i just come from.´´´
i can see where i am, and even where i am going.
and
i am not ´´done´´
ever.
wish you all the very best.
butterfly
Looks like I got under your skin and you feel like I am more than just a little tiny gnome hanging on the leg of your pants. Go ahead and let it all out, don't hold back any of that spiritual ego you have raging there.
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Post by laughter on Apr 18, 2013 11:13:32 GMT -5
Greetings.. Two reasons: when you said "nevermind" I took that to mean "nevermind about the story". The other is that the story has already been told and apparently you've overlooked it ... this is the third time that you've asked for the story since it was told ... after the first I linked you back to it. You'll have to answer the question here that you ignored because based on that sequence of events there appears to be a misunderstanding, and you'll have to clear that up first. Are you just trying to cover up the fact that you missed it? And to re-iterate, although you didn't face it, I maintain that motive is nothing but story regardless of whether it is from the side of supply or demand. Motive speaks to why you do something.. you offered to tell the story of 'why you're in this', your choice to be 'here'.. you tried to explain 'motive', but you haven't told the story of why you're in this.. for the effort you have put to referencing and re-referencing your claim of motive, you could have already told the story offered.. just sayin'.. Be well.. Wasn't any trouble at all Tzu' I assure you. Whatever effort was demanded was worth it to maintain that standard I spoke about before. You'll notice that when you brought something to my attention that had been missed, I offered a brief apology, admitted I'd missed it, and responded to it. Keep askin' why, you'll keep gettin' stories dude ... I don't have anything against stories. I like to read them sometimes and it can be great fun to spin them, they just have to be seen for what they are. The rest of what you offered is just word lawyering.
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Post by Reefs on Apr 18, 2013 11:25:42 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, Looks like another round coming up. The Art of Word-Lawyering (black-belt Tzu vs green-belt Laughter): Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by laughter on Apr 18, 2013 12:31:45 GMT -5
ok, he's actually drooling .... Of course TGHOB, you'll forgive my taking your perception of exactly who is the under dog with a just a wee bit of a grain of salt given your own past dismal performance in evaluation under the standard of "what is" in the words ...
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Post by tzujanli on Apr 18, 2013 16:20:54 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Motive speaks to why you do something.. you offered to tell the story of 'why you're in this', your choice to be 'here'.. you tried to explain 'motive', but you haven't told the story of why you're in this.. for the effort you have put to referencing and re-referencing your claim of motive, you could have already told the story offered.. just sayin'.. Be well.. Wasn't any trouble at all Tzu' I assure you. Whatever effort was demanded was worth it to maintain that standard I spoke about before. You'll notice that when you brought something to my attention that had been missed, I offered a brief apology, admitted I'd missed it, and responded to it. Keep askin' why, you'll keep gettin' stories dude ... I don't have anything against stories. I like to read them sometimes and it can be great fun to spin them, they just have to be seen for what they are. The rest of what you offered is just word lawyering. Apology: I'm sorry, Admitting: i figured you were more aware than this latest offering suggests.. Response: None.. Be well..
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