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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2013 9:07:00 GMT -5
Personalamente, I like the quote. It casts doubt on the theory that concsciousness is the deciding factor. It is good ol' science, questioning the methods and frameworks for the questions. Kabat Zinn had another interesting take on it, too, in his, Wherever You Go There You Are- The Non-Doing Paradox ""It reeks of paradox. The only way you can do anything of value is to have the effort come out of non-doing and to let go of caring whether it will be of use or not. Otherwise, self-involvement and greediness can sneak in and distort your relationship to the work, or the work itself, so that it is off in some way, biased, impure, and ultimately not completely satisfying, even if it is good. Good scientists know this mind state and guard against it because it inhibits the creative process and distorts one's ability to see connections clearly."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2013 9:32:43 GMT -5
Personalamente, I like the quote. It casts doubt on the theory that concsciousness is the deciding factor. It is good ol' science, questioning the methods and frameworks for the questions. Kabat Zinn had another interesting take on it, too, in his, Wherever You Go There You Are- The Non-Doing Paradox ""It reeks of paradox. The only way you can do anything of value is to have the effort come out of non-doing and to let go of caring whether it will be of use or not. Otherwise, self-involvement and greediness can sneak in and distort your relationship to the work, or the work itself, so that it is off in some way, biased, impure, and ultimately not completely satisfying, even if it is good. Good scientists know this mind state and guard against it because it inhibits the creative process and distorts one's ability to see connections clearly." Yes the best scientists I have known are usually super modest and humble.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2013 10:58:07 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure you think you're clever. You're an interesting character. Whatever the mind thinks of, that alone it sees. -vasistha
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Post by Reefs on Jun 26, 2013 21:16:42 GMT -5
That's your story again you can't let go of, "caustic style and mocking". I'd say to effectively communicate with me you should drop that assumption, don't you think? Said that, I find your continued attempts to paint me as the forum villain rather nasty. And you are doing this since almost a year. It's beginning to look malevolent. edit: I'm not the leader here. The leader is the mod. The mod is the authority here who sets the tone. And the mod has a mindset that is similar to yours. Protecting the feeble ones and punishing the evil ones. And as you can see, it doesn't work out all that well. So don't blame me for the mess your mindset creates. Hey man, when what I get from you is caustic mocking, seems like the label fits. You seemed to trip over my distilled presentation of Steve and Beingists point of view, thinking it was representative of my own. You seem to think I'm going to be avoiding the mosh pit because I can't handle the poking and prodding. Have you considered the possibility that I might actually want the section for less moderation so I can post without weighing if I would be crossing forum guidelines? I would also be able to be more confrontational without worrying about shutting someone down. If they didn't want the confrontation, they don't have to be in the confrontation section. All I do is look at the result and see that you can't handle it. Nice spin, Top.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 26, 2013 21:19:57 GMT -5
With respect to your edit, we are all leaders/rulers of the space around us. Title is just a piece of paper, part of the consensus trance. The kind of ruler you would be is always evidenced in the wake you leave behind. Now you want to make me responsible for the dramatic engagements you leave in your wake. Neither you nor I have any real authority here. My wake? You are the one who is asking all these ridiculous shrink questions all the time. You are creating this huge wake you want to run away from now. You've been sowing a lot of wind since about a year. Now you are surprised to get a little whirlwind back? You are bullying with your anti-mocking campaigns. I'm not responsible for the reactions of others. They are. Which brings us back to this maturity issue you are having great difficulties comprehending.
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Post by onehandclapping on Jul 14, 2013 14:07:10 GMT -5
Which says then that since this is the nature you perceive Top as having and you keep pointing at the nonsense, you must want the nonsense to keep coming. You yourself contribute to the drama on the forum. You are the originator of the drama. The originator talking to the perpetuator..... Where's the terminator when you need him to stop the non-sense?!?!!!
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 14, 2013 19:17:05 GMT -5
I like to think of the game as playing with hand grenades. Some folks lob them in your general direction. You can catch it, pick it up, lie on top of it. But it won't do nuthin unless you pull the pin. You're stop biting advices would be similar to not pulling the pin. That's the winning non-move. "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play." I'm just going to leave this here, then quietly slip away...... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
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Post by topology on Jul 14, 2013 20:48:03 GMT -5
Would you like to play Thermonuclear War? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destructionJust remember to play several rounds of tic-tax-toe if you are wanting to abort the launch. What people don't know is that MAD games are a subclass of SAD games (self-assured destruction) Punching Tar Babies, for one. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_babyJust a heads up, Reefs is one Tar baby you don't want to go punching! Another example of something SAD is telling someone that the intelligent thing to do would be to ignore them, but then repeatedly fail to do so.
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Post by topology on Jul 14, 2013 20:50:53 GMT -5
Would you like to play Thermonuclear War? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destructionJust remember to play several rounds of tic-tax-toe if you are wanting to abort the launch. What people don't know is that MAD games are a subclass of SAD games (self-assured destruction) Punching Tar Babies, for one. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_babyJust a heads up, Reefs is one Tar baby you don't want to go punching! Another example of something SAD is telling someone that the intelligent thing to do would be to ignore them, but then repeatedly fail to do so. *tic-tac-toe Although tic-tax-toe is something a government might try to do if it dug itself into a financial crisis. Over spending is pretty SAD too. Curse you auto-correct!!!!
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 14, 2013 20:57:09 GMT -5
Would you like to play Thermonuclear War? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destructionJust remember to play several rounds of tic-tax-toe if you are wanting to abort the launch. What people don't know is that MAD games are a subclass of SAD games (self-assured destruction) Punching Tar Babies, for one. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_babyJust a heads up, Reefs is one Tar baby you don't want to go punching! Another example of something SAD is telling someone that the intelligent thing to do would be to ignore them, but then repeatedly fail to do so. *tic-tac-toe Although tic-tax-toe is something a government might try to do if it dug itself into a financial crisis. Over spending is pretty SAD too. Curse you auto-correct!!!! Did you mean tit for tat strategy? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma"It's all math, baby..... "
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Post by Reefs on Jul 16, 2013 1:09:36 GMT -5
You are the originator of the drama. The originator talking to the perpetuator..... Where's the terminator when you need him to stop the non-sense?!?!!! We need that little doggy from your avatar, hehe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 12:51:24 GMT -5
Which says then that since this is the nature you perceive Top as having and you keep pointing at the nonsense, you must want the nonsense to keep coming. You yourself contribute to the drama on the forum. You are the originator of the drama. You are the top style mafioso here. You ask about motivations, feelings and agendas and all kinds of other nonsense stuff, questions that just don't arise here. And in demanding answer and spinning theories and your inability to actually read what has been written plus your tendency to go with your preconceived story based on a whole bunch of misconceptions combined with your personal offline life hick-ups you create these never ending parallel discussion, absolute irrelevant discussions. You are even so blinded that you only see Reefs and Enigma mocking but are mostly unaware of the uninterrupted mocking coming from Silver, Tzu, Bengst, Hetero/Verbed, Steve/Tath and also Figgy and Andrew and others, even Peter at times and yourself. You are talking since almost a year about how to better get along with each other and try to lecture others about how to communicate effectively but are incapable of getting any of this right in your own offline life. Just look at the result for a change and then you will see the nonsense you are doing here and there. You are not qualified, you have zero credentials when it comes to healthy relationships and effective communication. Just look at the result, online and offline: it's a mess. You fail miserably. apart from the comments on Top´s offline life of which i know almost nothing, i totally agree with Reefs here..it would seem logical that his failures here reflected in his offline life though. but then we all mess up dont we.have a nice day top you hurt so much trying to make people jump through your hoops wont work here...and if they dont jump exactlçy the way you like it, you start annoying them, deliberately.That is insincerity.It comes from your pain..i feel it clearly.Maybe you pushed it out of your surface consciousness, but it is there.We have a planet full of a.sses like that.I thought this place was different... when i came here i missed the sign : THIS SITE IS RUN AND RULED BY TOPOLOGY.IT IS ABOUT SPIRITUAL TEACHERS BUT YOU´RE NOT ALLOWED TO QUOTE THEM.AND WHEN YOU do TALK ABOUT YOURSELF (EGO) WHICH I URGE YOU TO DO, I WILL IGNORE OR ATTACK IT, AS EGO.in my case, i was an innocent newcomer, (butterfly, now astrokite) and tried to accomodate Top,and posted a few personal accounts and stories, what the bleep did i know.But he completely ignored what i wrote about myself and kept throwing stupid questions at me which i duly replied to, until i realised what was going on. what a shame. i understand that Peter (staff) likes this. that is incomprehensible to me. this could be a great place. it is not about words,discussion, it is about energy and experience.there are some folk here that contribute by way of energy,the words are(to me) just outside decoration, a signpost, they transmit some of their experience and i learn from that.Others do too, but may not be aware of it. ps and before you start going on about me having 2 different accounts here, i dont use the astrokite one, though i may edit or improve some postings there..they are for future reference and future forummers who search on ´´sri aurobindo ´´ in retrospect ´´butterfly´´ was too presumptuous i guess, i was on a high and thought i would never come down again.but i guess that´s what yoga practice (integral yoga that is) is about....expansion, contraction, from the summits into the underground, and then back up again. and yes, there is a witness behind it all. from a sunny portugal sunshine
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Post by topology on Jul 17, 2013 13:29:04 GMT -5
You are the originator of the drama. You are the top style mafioso here. You ask about motivations, feelings and agendas and all kinds of other nonsense stuff, questions that just don't arise here. And in demanding answer and spinning theories and your inability to actually read what has been written plus your tendency to go with your preconceived story based on a whole bunch of misconceptions combined with your personal offline life hick-ups you create these never ending parallel discussion, absolute irrelevant discussions. You are even so blinded that you only see Reefs and Enigma mocking but are mostly unaware of the uninterrupted mocking coming from Silver, Tzu, Bengst, Hetero/Verbed, Steve/Tath and also Figgy and Andrew and others, even Peter at times and yourself. You are talking since almost a year about how to better get along with each other and try to lecture others about how to communicate effectively but are incapable of getting any of this right in your own offline life. Just look at the result for a change and then you will see the nonsense you are doing here and there. You are not qualified, you have zero credentials when it comes to healthy relationships and effective communication. Just look at the result, online and offline: it's a mess. You fail miserably. apart from the comments on Top´s offline life of which i know almost nothing, i totally agree with Reefs here..it would seem logical that his failures here reflected in his offline life though. but then we all mess up dont we.have a nice day top you hurt so much trying to make people jump through your hoops wont work here...and if they dont jump exactlçy the way you like it, you start annoying them, deliberately.That is insincerity.It comes from your pain..i feel it clearly.Maybe you pushed it out of your surface consciousness, but it is there.We have a planet full of a.sses like that.I thought this place was different... when i came here i missed the sign : THIS SITE IS RUN AND RULED BY TOPOLOGY.IT IS ABOUT SPIRITUAL TEACHERS BUT YOU´RE NOT ALLOWED TO QUOTE THEM.AND WHEN YOU do TALK ABOUT YOURSELF (EGO) WHICH I URGE YOU TO DO, I WILL IGNORE OR ATTACK IT, AS EGO.in my case, i was an innocent newcomer, (butterfly, now astrokite) and tried to accomodate Top,and posted a few personal accounts and stories, what the bleep did i know.But he completely ignored what i wrote about myself and kept throwing stupid questions at me which i duly replied to, until i realised what was going on. what a shame. i understand that Peter (staff) likes this. that is incomprehensible to me. this could be a great place. it is not about words,discussion, it is about energy and experience.there are some folk here that contribute by way of energy,the words are(to me) just outside decoration, a signpost, they transmit some of their experience and i learn from that.Others do too, but may not be aware of it. ps and before you start going on about me having 2 different accounts here, i dont use the astrokite one, though i may edit or improve some postings there..they are for future reference and future forummers who search on ´´sri aurobindo ´´ in retrospect ´´butterfly´´ was too presumptuous i guess, i was on a high and thought i would never come down again.but i guess that´s what yoga practice (integral yoga that is) is about....expansion, contraction, from the summits into the underground, and then back up again. and yes, there is a witness behind it all. from a sunny portugal sunshine Welcome back to the forum, sunshine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 23:26:39 GMT -5
You are the originator of the drama. You are the top style mafioso here. You ask about motivations, feelings and agendas and all kinds of other nonsense stuff, questions that just don't arise here. And in demanding answer and spinning theories and your inability to actually read what has been written plus your tendency to go with your preconceived story based on a whole bunch of misconceptions combined with your personal offline life hick-ups you create these never ending parallel discussion, absolute irrelevant discussions. You are even so blinded that you only see Reefs and Enigma mocking but are mostly unaware of the uninterrupted mocking coming from Silver, Tzu, Bengst, Hetero/Verbed, Steve/Tath and also Figgy and Andrew and others, even Peter at times and yourself. You are talking since almost a year about how to better get along with each other and try to lecture others about how to communicate effectively but are incapable of getting any of this right in your own offline life. Just look at the result for a change and then you will see the nonsense you are doing here and there. You are not qualified, you have zero credentials when it comes to healthy relationships and effective communication. Just look at the result, online and offline: it's a mess. You fail miserably. apart from the comments on Top´s offline life of which i know almost nothing, i totally agree with Reefs here..it would seem logical that his failures here reflected in his offline life though. but then we all mess up dont we.have a nice day top you hurt so much trying to make people jump through your hoops wont work here...and if they dont jump exactlçy the way you like it, you start annoying them, deliberately.That is insincerity.It comes from your pain..i feel it clearly.Maybe you pushed it out of your surface consciousness, but it is there.We have a planet full of a.sses like that.I thought this place was different... when i came here i missed the sign : THIS SITE IS RUN AND RULED BY TOPOLOGY.IT IS ABOUT SPIRITUAL TEACHERS BUT YOU´RE NOT ALLOWED TO QUOTE THEM.AND WHEN YOU do TALK ABOUT YOURSELF (EGO) WHICH I URGE YOU TO DO, I WILL IGNORE OR ATTACK IT, AS EGO.in my case, i was an innocent newcomer, (butterfly, now astrokite) and tried to accomodate Top,and posted a few personal accounts and stories, what the bleep did i know.But he completely ignored what i wrote about myself and kept throwing stupid questions at me which i duly replied to, until i realised what was going on. what a shame. i understand that Peter (staff) likes this. that is incomprehensible to me. this could be a great place. it is not about words,discussion, it is about energy and experience.there are some folk here that contribute by way of energy,the words are(to me) just outside decoration, a signpost, they transmit some of their experience and i learn from that.Others do too, but may not be aware of it. ps and before you start going on about me having 2 different accounts here, i dont use the astrokite one, though i may edit or improve some postings there..they are for future reference and future forummers who search on ´´sri aurobindo ´´ in retrospect ´´butterfly´´ was too presumptuous i guess, i was on a high and thought i would never come down again.but i guess that´s what yoga practice (integral yoga that is) is about....expansion, contraction, from the summits into the underground, and then back up again. and yes, there is a witness behind it all. from a sunny portugal sunshine Mmm, Portugal... I've never been there but heard someone say(?)whoever that was... that you have to be married three times to get it right. Is that true of Portugal?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 11:00:20 GMT -5
apart from the comments on Top´s offline life of which i know almost nothing, i totally agree with Reefs here..it would seem logical that his failures here reflected in his offline life though. but then we all mess up dont we.have a nice day top you hurt so much trying to make people jump through your hoops wont work here...and if they dont jump exactlçy the way you like it, you start annoying them, deliberately.That is insincerity.It comes from your pain..i feel it clearly.Maybe you pushed it out of your surface consciousness, but it is there.We have a planet full of a.sses like that.I thought this place was different... when i came here i missed the sign : THIS SITE IS RUN AND RULED BY TOPOLOGY.IT IS ABOUT SPIRITUAL TEACHERS BUT YOU´RE NOT ALLOWED TO QUOTE THEM.AND WHEN YOU do TALK ABOUT YOURSELF (EGO) WHICH I URGE YOU TO DO, I WILL IGNORE OR ATTACK IT, AS EGO.in my case, i was an innocent newcomer, (butterfly, now astrokite) and tried to accomodate Top,and posted a few personal accounts and stories, what the bleep did i know.But he completely ignored what i wrote about myself and kept throwing stupid questions at me which i duly replied to, until i realised what was going on. what a shame. i understand that Peter (staff) likes this. that is incomprehensible to me. this could be a great place. it is not about words,discussion, it is about energy and experience.there are some folk here that contribute by way of energy,the words are(to me) just outside decoration, a signpost, they transmit some of their experience and i learn from that.Others do too, but may not be aware of it. ps and before you start going on about me having 2 different accounts here, i dont use the astrokite one, though i may edit or improve some postings there..they are for future reference and future forummers who search on ´´sri aurobindo ´´ in retrospect ´´butterfly´´ was too presumptuous i guess, i was on a high and thought i would never come down again.but i guess that´s what yoga practice (integral yoga that is) is about....expansion, contraction, from the summits into the underground, and then back up again. and yes, there is a witness behind it all. from a sunny portugal sunshine Mmm, Portugal... I've never been there but heard someone say(?)whoever that was... that you have to be married three times to get it right. Is that true of Portugal? alfio, i am not married,too many broken hearts,including my own, so i couldnt tell. And what are the chances of , after been married 2 times, finding a wife who also was married two times, so both ''get it right?''.the third time? Heaven must have special sympathy for divorce lawyers. I suggest you marry, divorce,marry, divorce,marry in the course of a couple of weeks with the same woman/man, if such superstitions plague you. .
my neighbour told me he always knew he would be happy only in his (then) third marriage.But then his wife was in her second. So last year he died suddenly of a heart attack, only 60 years old. when that had just happened a passing by villager told me so and that he had been rushed to hospital, they were fighting for his life,
half an hour later he appeared to me on a forest track, asking me to tell his wife he was allright.He was shining like an angel, he filled me up with love, light and a great, enormous joy. I didnt know he had died and told him to get back into his body.But it was too late.At his funeral he was making jokes with me all the time.It was embarassing.They had professional mourners there, they were rentd by the funeralcompany to cry there lol !
(and carry the coffin, as my neighbours are foreigners with few relatives/ friends present) His wife was devastated, but now she is allright.(i narrate this since you had a ''life and death'' topic elswhere).
when i picked up the pen to write my name in the attendants book, it was as if i got a 500 volt electric shock of emotional pain and sorrow, i dropped it immediately but i was infected and had to fight a depression during the day.Eventually I managed to shrug it off.That pen must have been used in hundreds of funerals...energy...i found that girlfriends usually dont like it when i fancy a model (i am a painter) other than them for my art. Jealousy.inserting a photo of a a painting didnt work, unfortunately. Besides, the first 35 years of my life were so incredibly s.hitty, that i really wouldnt want to do that to any child.I resolved that, only after i was completely free, i would maybe, maybe, make a child.No point in passing on my trauma's to the child.In 2050 we will be with 9.5 billion on this little rock.Something's gotta give.Not good unless you are really free.I dont like to take risks with other peoples lives, if i can avoid it.One of my spiritual teachers was 67 had a beautiful wife of 24...and he fathered a son ,but then this man was a walking cloud of love light and bliss.I saw him cure a seriously ill,(officially incurable) schizofrenic man in 20 seconds, though he said it was ''not his job''. Once, in passing by, he showed me my spinalchakra,awesome, now i see them in others every now and then (i dont control that faculty, he did.He was a student of Sri Aurobindo.(dutch, white caucasian).It is the main reason why i fancy S.A. his teachings, i dont like this escapist advaita impotence.I , we , need power if we want to master ourselves.and this world.Unfold all our capacities.This healer demonstrated power.''power and love rarely share the same throne.'' S.A.serenitysunshine
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