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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2013 20:01:27 GMT -5
My favorite kind of posts.... start a thread that complains about threads like the very thread started..... I agree that this forum doesn't have much meaningful discussion anymore though. I don't know if there is a way to change that though. It will need to run its course like everything does. Eventually, I'm sure there will be a shift or collapse of the current structure and it will take on a more palatable flavor for you. Enjoy your break.... hehe, yep, poor stevie missed out on all of the fun. ;-) But I'm sure he's pickled pink that the forum is about to institute a new "No E or R" zone. lol I can't remember what the forum "used to be like" .. but it seems fine, just as it is now And no one should be allowed to mock E & R in the E & R zone!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 20:57:52 GMT -5
There are infinite points, but let's focus on one shared by Heisenberg... Since the measuring device has been constructed by the observer... we have to remember that what we observe is not nature in itself but nature exposed to our method of questioning. Interesting topic. Do you have an opinion on the matter? Not near as many as you. Howzabout a metaphor? Advice?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 21:04:38 GMT -5
Interesting topic. Do you have an opinion on the matter? Not near as many as you. Howzabout a metaphor? Advice? Personalamente, I like the quote. It casts doubt on the theory that concsciousness is the deciding factor. It is good ol' science, questioning the methods and frameworks for the questions.
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Post by silver on Jun 25, 2013 22:00:21 GMT -5
hehe, yep, poor stevie missed out on all of the fun. ;-) But I'm sure he's pickled pink that the forum is about to institute a new "No E or R" zone. lol I can't remember what the forum "used to be like" .. but it seems fine, just as it is now And no one should be allowed to mock E & R in the E & R zone! You can't silence people's thoughts...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 22:03:01 GMT -5
And no one should be allowed to mock E & R in the E & R zone! You can't silence people's thoughts... No, but if we could only silence our own thoughts...
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Post by topology on Jun 25, 2013 22:38:57 GMT -5
Which says then that since this is the nature you perceive Top as having and you keep pointing at the nonsense, you must want the nonsense to keep coming. You yourself contribute to the drama on the forum. You are the originator of the drama. You are the top style mafioso here. You ask about motivations, feelings and agendas and all kinds of other nonsense stuff, questions that just don't arise here. And in demanding answer and spinning theories and your inability to actually read what has been written plus your tendency to go with your preconceived story based on a whole bunch of misconceptions combined with your personal offline life hick-ups you create these never ending parallel discussion, absolute irrelevant discussions. You are even so blinded that you only see Reefs and Enigma mocking but are mostly unaware of the uninterrupted mocking coming from Silver, Tzu, Bengst, Hetero/Verbed, Steve/Tath and also Figgy and Andrew and others, even Peter at times and yourself. You are talking since almost a year about how to better get along with each other and try to lecture others about how to communicate effectively but are incapable of getting any of this right in your own offline life. Just look at the result for a change and then you will see the nonsense you are doing here and there. You are not qualified, you have zero credentials when it comes to healthy relationships and effective communication. Just look at the result, online and offline: it's a mess. You fail miserably. Wow Reefs, I must really need to be a devil in your life. And you keep talking about how sh!tty my offline life is and you have no details. Alright man, if you need someone else to blame for the drama you create, I'll be your scape goat.
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Post by silver on Jun 25, 2013 22:50:06 GMT -5
You can't silence people's thoughts... No, but if we could only silence our own thoughts... I don't mind silencing some of 'em. ~<3
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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2013 22:54:48 GMT -5
You are the originator of the drama. You are the top style mafioso here. You ask about motivations, feelings and agendas and all kinds of other nonsense stuff, questions that just don't arise here. And in demanding answer and spinning theories and your inability to actually read what has been written plus your tendency to go with your preconceived story based on a whole bunch of misconceptions combined with your personal offline life hick-ups you create these never ending parallel discussion, absolute irrelevant discussions. You are even so blinded that you only see Reefs and Enigma mocking but are mostly unaware of the uninterrupted mocking coming from Silver, Tzu, Bengst, Hetero/Verbed, Steve/Tath and also Figgy and Andrew and others, even Peter at times and yourself. You are talking since almost a year about how to better get along with each other and try to lecture others about how to communicate effectively but are incapable of getting any of this right in your own offline life. Just look at the result for a change and then you will see the nonsense you are doing here and there. You are not qualified, you have zero credentials when it comes to healthy relationships and effective communication. Just look at the result, online and offline: it's a mess. You fail miserably. Wow Reefs, I must really need to be a devil in your life. And you keep talking about how sh!tty my offline life is and you have no details. Alright man, if you need someone else to blame for the drama you create, I'll be your scape goat. The little you shared is already enough. But we don't have to look at your offline life to see how you are failing in effective communication and healthy relationships. Just look at your dialogs with Silver since about a year. Has there anything significantly changed? Has anything changed in putting her in the victim role, me and Enigma in the aggressor role and yourself in the rescuer role? It's same same all over again. All I'm saying here is that your approach is flawed. Do you really think you could ever really effectively communicate with everyone? Do you really think it would be necessary to understand where everyone, really every single one, is coming from? I say it's neither possible nor necessary. It's not possible because to effectively communicate you would have to fully tune into the vibe of another one. To fully understand a messed up mind you would have to have the exact same messed up mind. So if you try that with 30 different members here, then your tuning into so many different vibes that you will lose your own way sooner or later. And that's what I see happening with you here since a while. And yes, those who claim to only want to do good usually do the most evil. That's just the dilemma of following a concept. That's why Enigma and I get beaten senseless now in the name of love and forum peace and forum justice and anti-beatings campaign and such. It's loco.
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Post by topology on Jun 25, 2013 23:46:32 GMT -5
Wow Reefs, I must really need to be a devil in your life. And you keep talking about how sh!tty my offline life is and you have no details. Alright man, if you need someone else to blame for the drama you create, I'll be your scape goat. The little you shared is already enough. But we don't have to look at your offline life to see how you are failing in effective communication and healthy relationships. Just look at your dialogs with Silver since about a year. Has there anything significantly changed? Has anything changed in putting her in the victim role, me and Enigma in the aggressor role and yourself in the rescuer role? It's same same all over again. All I'm saying here is that your approach is flawed. Do you really think you could ever really effectively communicate with everyone? Do you really think it would be necessary to understand where everyone, really every single one, is coming from? I say it's neither possible nor necessary. It's not possible because to effectively communicate you would have to fully tune into the vibe of another one. To fully understand a messed up mind you would have to have the exact same messed up mind. So if you try that with 30 different members here, then your tuning into so many different vibes that you will lose your own way sooner or later. And that's what I see happening with you here since a while. And yes, those who claim to only want to do good usually do the most evil. That's just the dilemma of following a concept. That's why Enigma and I get beaten senseless now in the name of love and forum peace and forum justice and anti-beatings campaign and such. It's loco. What's loco, my friend, is complaining about drama and failing to look and see the most common denominator involved in that drama. Use those LOA priciples you like to talk about and reverse engineer what is happening to see what you are attracting with your caustic style and mocking. You are bringing this drama into your life. You like to quote the Tao about how a leader in the Tao has a kingdom in order, but the wake you leave behind you is hardly in order.
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Post by enigma on Jun 26, 2013 3:07:38 GMT -5
Interesting topic. Do you have an opinion on the matter? Not near as many as you. Howzabout a metaphor? Advice? I'm pretty sure you think you're clever. You're an interesting character.
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Post by enigma on Jun 26, 2013 3:12:01 GMT -5
Not near as many as you. Howzabout a metaphor? Advice? Personalamente, I like the quote. It casts doubt on the theory that concsciousness is the deciding factor. It is good ol' science, questioning the methods and frameworks for the questions. I don't know what it says about consciousness, but it seems to imply that what is seen depends very much on how one looks and what one looks for.
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Post by enigma on Jun 26, 2013 3:13:46 GMT -5
You are the originator of the drama. You are the top style mafioso here. You ask about motivations, feelings and agendas and all kinds of other nonsense stuff, questions that just don't arise here. And in demanding answer and spinning theories and your inability to actually read what has been written plus your tendency to go with your preconceived story based on a whole bunch of misconceptions combined with your personal offline life hick-ups you create these never ending parallel discussion, absolute irrelevant discussions. You are even so blinded that you only see Reefs and Enigma mocking but are mostly unaware of the uninterrupted mocking coming from Silver, Tzu, Bengst, Hetero/Verbed, Steve/Tath and also Figgy and Andrew and others, even Peter at times and yourself. You are talking since almost a year about how to better get along with each other and try to lecture others about how to communicate effectively but are incapable of getting any of this right in your own offline life. Just look at the result for a change and then you will see the nonsense you are doing here and there. You are not qualified, you have zero credentials when it comes to healthy relationships and effective communication. Just look at the result, online and offline: it's a mess. You fail miserably. Wow Reefs, I must really need to be a devil in your life. And you keep talking about how sh!tty my offline life is and you have no details. Alright man, if you need someone else to blame for the drama you create, I'll be your scape goat. For reals?!.....Cool!
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Post by Reefs on Jun 26, 2013 3:22:32 GMT -5
The little you shared is already enough. But we don't have to look at your offline life to see how you are failing in effective communication and healthy relationships. Just look at your dialogs with Silver since about a year. Has there anything significantly changed? Has anything changed in putting her in the victim role, me and Enigma in the aggressor role and yourself in the rescuer role? It's same same all over again. All I'm saying here is that your approach is flawed. Do you really think you could ever really effectively communicate with everyone? Do you really think it would be necessary to understand where everyone, really every single one, is coming from? I say it's neither possible nor necessary. It's not possible because to effectively communicate you would have to fully tune into the vibe of another one. To fully understand a messed up mind you would have to have the exact same messed up mind. So if you try that with 30 different members here, then your tuning into so many different vibes that you will lose your own way sooner or later. And that's what I see happening with you here since a while. And yes, those who claim to only want to do good usually do the most evil. That's just the dilemma of following a concept. That's why Enigma and I get beaten senseless now in the name of love and forum peace and forum justice and anti-beatings campaign and such. It's loco. What's loco, my friend, is complaining about drama and failing to look and see the most common denominator involved in that drama. Use those LOA priciples you like to talk about and reverse engineer what is happening to see what you are attracting with your caustic style and mocking. You are bringing this drama into your life. You like to quote the Tao about how a leader in the Tao has a kingdom in order, but the wake you leave behind you is hardly in order. That's your story again you can't let go of, "caustic style and mocking". I'd say to effectively communicate with me you should drop that assumption, don't you think? Said that, I find your continued attempts to paint me as the forum villain rather nasty. And you are doing this since almost a year. It's beginning to look malevolent. edit: I'm not the leader here. The leader is the mod. The mod is the authority here who sets the tone. And the mod has a mindset that is similar to yours. Protecting the feeble ones and punishing the evil ones. And as you can see, it doesn't work out all that well. So don't blame me for the mess your mindset creates.
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Post by topology on Jun 26, 2013 7:43:27 GMT -5
What's loco, my friend, is complaining about drama and failing to look and see the most common denominator involved in that drama. Use those LOA priciples you like to talk about and reverse engineer what is happening to see what you are attracting with your caustic style and mocking. You are bringing this drama into your life. You like to quote the Tao about how a leader in the Tao has a kingdom in order, but the wake you leave behind you is hardly in order. That's your story again you can't let go of, "caustic style and mocking". I'd say to effectively communicate with me you should drop that assumption, don't you think? Said that, I find your continued attempts to paint me as the forum villain rather nasty. And you are doing this since almost a year. It's beginning to look malevolent. edit: I'm not the leader here. The leader is the mod. The mod is the authority here who sets the tone. And the mod has a mindset that is similar to yours. Protecting the feeble ones and punishing the evil ones. And as you can see, it doesn't work out all that well. So don't blame me for the mess your mindset creates. Hey man, when what I get from you is caustic mocking, seems like the label fits. You seemed to trip over my distilled presentation of Steve and Beingists point of view, thinking it was representative of my own. You seem to think I'm going to be avoiding the mosh pit because I can't handle the poking and prodding. Have you considered the possibility that I might actually want the section for less moderation so I can post without weighing if I would be crossing forum guidelines? I would also be able to be more confrontational without worrying about shutting someone down. If they didn't want the confrontation, they don't have to be in the confrontation section.
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Post by topology on Jun 26, 2013 7:46:54 GMT -5
With respect to your edit, we are all leaders/rulers of the space around us. Title is just a piece of paper, part of the consensus trance. The kind of ruler you would be is always evidenced in the wake you leave behind. Now you want to make me responsible for the dramatic engagements you leave in your wake.
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