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Post by topology on Jun 25, 2013 11:01:25 GMT -5
Sounds like you've placed me in a bucket in your mind and have an expected behavior from me. I was actually mocking Reefsy there. I thought that was kinda obvious. One question Top: Where are you when you are posting from your mobile? Mocking yourself (exaggerating what you would normally say) just comes across as being yourself but more exaggerated. So the mocking doesn't come through. Before I answer your question, let me ask you what you will do with the information. Sounds like you have a picture in your mind and you're hunting for the right puzzle pieces to construct the image.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2013 11:06:49 GMT -5
I was actually mocking Reefsy there. I thought that was kinda obvious. One question Top: Where are you when you are posting from your mobile? Mocking yourself (exaggerating what you would normally say) just comes across as being yourself but more exaggerated. So the mocking doesn't come through. Before I answer your question, let me ask you what you will do with the information. Sounds like you have a picture in your mind and you're hunting for the right puzzle pieces to construct the image. It came thru to Laughter. Why didn't it come thru to you? You can't let go of that story again. Spin, spin, spin, wheeeeee...
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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2013 11:08:25 GMT -5
I actually put you on the ignore list for a day after that hypnosis comment. And then gave it a try again and after seeing you go all shrinky again I put you on the list again but probably didn't save the profile changes before I logged out. So today I stumble over your posts again and saw that you are going straight into the Bengst bear direction and thought I'll better help bringing things into perspective again. But reading this post here, it doesn't seem that any kind of input is going to change your story any time soon. I don't feel that you are making me uncomfortable. I just think you've crossed the line into lala land with your hypnosis theory. That's not the Top I know. Since then I can't really tell the difference between you and Bengst anymore. "The Top I Know" is never who I am. But nice play at telling me there's something wrong with me because my expression is straying from the image in your mind of me. Sounds like you didn't really want to ignore me. I refer you to LOA principles on the matter. Well I'm aware of this too, that the more I point at the nonsense coming from you the more you keep it coming.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 11:46:17 GMT -5
You, seriously blocked Top? What.....you found him so ______________________ "challenging, annoying, disruptive, to your engagement here"...(fill in the blank accordingly), and you felt you needed to 'block' him in order to avoid reading his posts? Surely someone as familiar with the impersonal perspective as you, should be able to 'tolerate' the annoying posts of others here? What gives Reefs? Believe it or not, I still have my preferences and my nonsense tolerance has its limits. Besides, what you call impersonal isn't what I call impersonal. Dunno if you've noticed by now. of course you still have preferences, but why the need to block over simply utilizing your own ability to discriminate and select what you choose to read and/or engage with, and what you do not? A bit of fear perhaps that you might get 'sucked in' despite your intent not to? sounds like you could use a bit of work on 'focus'. However, if you've come to believe that that is beyond 'your' control, that would explain things....one of the pitfalls of overalignment with ideas like 'non-volition.'
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 11:52:09 GMT -5
You, seriously blocked Top? What.....you found him so ______________________ "challenging, annoying, disruptive, to your engagement here"...(fill in the blank accordingly), and you felt you needed to 'block' him in order to avoid reading his posts? Surely someone as familiar with the impersonal perspective as you, should be able to 'tolerate' the annoying posts of others here? What gives Reefs? Poissonally, I think he's just bluffing. I mean, look how much he dislikes me, and he's right there most of the time, with the come-backs... Yup...methinks he uses the 'ol, "I am blocking you now" bit when he gets really angry...but even if he really does block at that time, his curiosity & interest in the drama gets the best of him and he unblocks pretty quick.
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Post by topology on Jun 25, 2013 12:07:47 GMT -5
Mocking yourself (exaggerating what you would normally say) just comes across as being yourself but more exaggerated. So the mocking doesn't come through. Before I answer your question, let me ask you what you will do with the information. Sounds like you have a picture in your mind and you're hunting for the right puzzle pieces to construct the image. It came thru to Laughter. Why didn't it come thru to you? You can't let go of that story again. Spin, spin, spin, wheeeeee... Could it be that I'm not laughter?
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Post by topology on Jun 25, 2013 12:09:42 GMT -5
"The Top I Know" is never who I am. But nice play at telling me there's something wrong with me because my expression is straying from the image in your mind of me. Sounds like you didn't really want to ignore me. I refer you to LOA principles on the matter. Well I'm aware of this too, that the more I point at the nonsense coming from you the more you keep it coming. Which says then that since this is the nature you perceive Top as having and you keep pointing at the nonsense, you must want the nonsense to keep coming. You yourself contribute to the drama on the forum.
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Post by Beingist on Jun 25, 2013 12:13:53 GMT -5
Well I'm aware of this too, that the more I point at the nonsense coming from you the more you keep it coming. Which says then that since this is the nature you perceive Top as having and you keep pointing at the nonsense, you must want the nonsense to keep coming. You yourself contribute to the drama on the forum. Hafta admit, this block button is wonderful. Wish I'd made that decision long ago. He does more than contribute, Top, he and enigma ARE the drama. 95% of all drama has something to do with them. This is what I'm seeing, as those two are blocked.
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Post by Peter on Jun 25, 2013 13:26:27 GMT -5
I don't remember that. I only remember Tath/Freejoy complaining. Apart from the infamous twins, I don't recall anyone else complaining. maybe you can name some names. Angela? Cabin? Acewall? Kate? They left. Your turn to name names. In the before time of the long long ago, name anyone who worked through their difficulties with another person that you think was assisted by being able to vent and swear all they wanted. My experience of people - especially on the internet, and driving is another example - is that when there's no limits imposed on their behavior they just keep going with the vitriol getting more and more worked up. Look at Tath exploding last time he was here. I wonder if a part of you sees that as a satisfying result? You don't have to protect the vulnerable. This is a place for adults. We're not talking about preventing adult behavior here though are we? We're in fact talking about preventing people from acting like children - name calling and piss taking. Being able to do whatever you want is not "Adult Society", it's that place Pinocchio went to and look what happened to him. Look at me, arguing from the POV of the establishment. Sheesh. You should have taken this job on, you really should have. If someone feels getting beaten up here on a regular basis and suffers, then this begs the question why that someone is still logging in every day and reads thru these verbal beatings. Sounds kinda silly and childish to me. No one is forced to log in here every day and endure 'abuse'. I don't agree with that argument. I could say "If you don't like being spat at in the park, then don't go to the park". Also, maybe you are confusing rights with privileges. This is not a public place like Times Square. Anyone can come here and say whatever they want, and if you stand here and swear at people then the authorities step in and remove you. In what way is this not a public place like Times Square? Look, there's even advertising flashing all over the place. I don't know how it looked back then 4 years ago since I haven't been there. But Enigma is here since 3 years and his style and content hasn't changed one bit. When I arrived here, Tath was the most prolific poster and all over the forum, not Enigma. Prolific in the sense that he was posting more per day perhaps, but it didn't last long and he never had a higher post count than Enigma. I agree that E's posting hasn't changed. There were witch hunts after him then, and there are witch hunts after him now. So, ZD style sounds like the only sane way to go now. More rules is certainly not the way. At the moment, I can only see Silver and Top opposing that idea. All others, I speculate, would like to see this as a place for adults again. Well you know that I'm a believer in Better Out Than In as a way to Clear There Air, so I do see some validity in what you're saying. I'll take some advice on that and consider a trial period.
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Post by enigma on Jun 25, 2013 18:03:02 GMT -5
Is there a point by any chance? There are infinite points, but let's focus on one shared by Heisenberg... Since the measuring device has been constructed by the observer... we have to remember that what we observe is not nature in itself but nature exposed to our method of questioning. Interesting topic. Do you have an opinion on the matter?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 18:19:04 GMT -5
It came thru to Laughter. Why didn't it come thru to you? You can't let go of that story again. Spin, spin, spin, wheeeeee... Could it be that I'm not laughter? Are you not beingness, just like laughter?
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Post by onehandclapping on Jun 25, 2013 19:23:34 GMT -5
This forum has just gotten horrible with all the continuous back and forth personal assessment's and apparent attempts at provocation to show another's spiritual or character deficiencies. 20% of posts seem to be an exploration speeerutchul stuff, while 70% is one person telling another what they think of them, and another 10% is just outright meanness. For whatever reasons, reefs seems to always be at the center of every ugly part, he continually needles and make posts designed to provoke a response that brings the conversation down to a personal bickering over each other's character, inconsistencies, or any other flaw that he can possibly come up with to bring the conversation down to the ugliest common denominator possible....in affect, he sabotages nearly every explorative conversation, and in most cases will resort to outright trolling when ignored. In my opinion, while everyone is to blame for the ugly tone of the conversation here, Reefs is always in the middle of EVERY SINGLE ugly exchange, and eggs the whole thing on every single time he is involved. He is like a little ankle biter dog barking at the edge of every reasonable conversation, and biting at the participants ankles, until every conversation is derailed and digressed into an ugly bickering with him or enigma, or in most case both. Reef just spends too much time trying to provoke people, instead of engaging in conversation. Its gotten so ugly that I don't even want to login here anymore, because I generally like to spend my time focused on the best of human nature, not the worst. I'll be giving this place a break from my presence for a while, but I strongly advise you guys to take a close look at the tone of this place lately, and a close look at who is the biggest instigator and maintainer of that ugly tone. Best of luck, and sincere warm wishes to everyone....including you Reefs ;-) My favorite kind of posts.... start a thread that complains about threads like the very thread started..... I agree that this forum doesn't have much meaningful discussion anymore though. I don't know if there is a way to change that though. It will need to run its course like everything does. Eventually, I'm sure there will be a shift or collapse of the current structure and it will take on a more palatable flavor for you. Enjoy your break....
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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2013 19:46:52 GMT -5
It came thru to Laughter. Why didn't it come thru to you? You can't let go of that story again. Spin, spin, spin, wheeeeee... Could it be that I'm not laughter? I'm not responsible for your blinders.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 19:55:56 GMT -5
My favorite kind of posts.... start a thread that complains about threads like the very thread started..... I agree that this forum doesn't have much meaningful discussion anymore though. I don't know if there is a way to change that though. It will need to run its course like everything does. Eventually, I'm sure there will be a shift or collapse of the current structure and it will take on a more palatable flavor for you. Enjoy your break.... hehe, yep, poor stevie missed out on all of the fun. ;-) But I'm sure he's pickled pink that the forum is about to institute a new "No E or R" zone. lol I can't remember what the forum "used to be like" .. but it seems fine, just as it is now
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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2013 20:00:15 GMT -5
Well I'm aware of this too, that the more I point at the nonsense coming from you the more you keep it coming. Which says then that since this is the nature you perceive Top as having and you keep pointing at the nonsense, you must want the nonsense to keep coming. You yourself contribute to the drama on the forum. You are the originator of the drama. You are the top style mafioso here. You ask about motivations, feelings and agendas and all kinds of other nonsense stuff, questions that just don't arise here. And in demanding answer and spinning theories and your inability to actually read what has been written plus your tendency to go with your preconceived story based on a whole bunch of misconceptions combined with your personal offline life hick-ups you create these never ending parallel discussion, absolute irrelevant discussions. You are even so blinded that you only see Reefs and Enigma mocking but are mostly unaware of the uninterrupted mocking coming from Silver, Tzu, Bengst, Hetero/Verbed, Steve/Tath and also Figgy and Andrew and others, even Peter at times and yourself. You are talking since almost a year about how to better get along with each other and try to lecture others about how to communicate effectively but are incapable of getting any of this right in your own offline life. Just look at the result for a change and then you will see the nonsense you are doing here and there. You are not qualified, you have zero credentials when it comes to healthy relationships and effective communication. Just look at the result, online and offline: it's a mess. You fail miserably.
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