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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 8:12:18 GMT -5
How philosophical. Here's my take: emptiness (countable and uncountable; plural emptinesses) 1. The state or feeling of being empty empty (comparative emptier, superlative emptiest) 1. Devoid of content; containing nothing or nobody "Devoid of content," as sdp points out, may simply be misconstrued as being like an empty cup. That is one meaning. The other point is that there is not only no content, there is no essence.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 8:36:24 GMT -5
So, Max, that description of emptiness seems to be pointing to 'unknown'. That dependent origination, when stepped through (backwards), points to an essence that can't be known. Is that how you read it? The essence of things can't be known, they're empty. However, as the opening line says this isn't a form of nihilism. The take away I'm getting is that nothing can be without the other, or there is only everything, the particlars having no real essence.
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Post by topology on Jun 14, 2013 8:43:04 GMT -5
Yup, physics field theory has no separation. The whole is whole, not needing parts to complete it. The parts are epiphenomena emerging from the whole.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 8:55:46 GMT -5
Yup, physics field theory has no separation. The whole is whole, not needing parts to complete it. The parts are epiphenomena emerging from the whole. The birds have vanished down the sky. Now the last cloud drains away. We sit together, the mountain and me, until only the mountain remains.
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Post by topology on Jun 14, 2013 9:09:27 GMT -5
Yup, physics field theory has no separation. The whole is whole, not needing parts to complete it. The parts are epiphenomena emerging from the whole. The birds have vanished down the sky. Now the last cloud drains away. We sit together, the mountain and me, until only the mountain remains. Beautiful.
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Post by Beingist on Jun 14, 2013 9:10:55 GMT -5
How philosophical. Here's my take: emptiness (countable and uncountable; plural emptinesses) 1. The state or feeling of being empty empty (comparative emptier, superlative emptiest) 1. Devoid of content; containing nothing or nobody "Devoid of content," as sdp points out, may simply be misconstrued as being like an empty cup. That is one meaning. The other point is that there is not only no content, there is no essence. All the more to point out all the thinking involved in this discussion. Emptiness is emptiness. Nothingness is nothingness. Form is form. Essence is essence. All of it is 'what is'.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 9:12:23 GMT -5
The birds have vanished down the sky. Now the last cloud drains away. We sit together, the mountain and me, until only the mountain remains. Beautiful. Oops I forgot to credit Li Po. he da man.
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Post by topology on Jun 14, 2013 9:22:04 GMT -5
Oops I forgot to credit Li Po. he da man. I knew it was a quote, but the attribution would have been a stone cast in the pond after the calm.
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Post by runstill on Jun 14, 2013 10:29:01 GMT -5
Just having a little fun here, since I have no idea what a theoretical physicist means by the term 'field', I replaced it with 'emptiness'. I rezz with emptiness thanks in part to how its being talked about in this thread.
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Post by Beingist on Jun 14, 2013 10:37:38 GMT -5
Just having a little fun here, since I have no idea what a theoretical physicist means by the term 'field', I replaced it with 'emptiness'. I rezz with emptiness thanks in part to how its being talked about in this thread. I can rez with emptiness, because there's Peace in emptiness. But, such doesn't require some complicated redefining of 'emptiness'.
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Post by runstill on Jun 14, 2013 11:37:12 GMT -5
Just having a little fun here, since I have no idea what a theoretical physicist means by the term 'field', I replaced it with 'emptiness'. I rezz with emptiness thanks in part to how its being talked about in this thread. I can rez with emptiness, because there's Peace in emptiness. But, such doesn't require some complicated redefining of 'emptiness'. Unconditional Peace, being empty of self.......................
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Post by enigma on Jun 14, 2013 15:39:36 GMT -5
What sort of other pieces/stuff? Carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen, protons, electrons, neutrons, quarks, genes, memes, blue jeans, jelly beans, sunlight/photons, wood, hay, stubble, wheat, chaff, trees, forest, food, matter, energy, information, earth, wind, fire, yin, yang, s*it, symbols, imagination, illusions, delusions, roses, thorns, raindrops, time, space, mother, dad............music, notes, art, vision, friendship, love, hate, indifference.......he ain't heavy, he's my brother, Miles from Nowhere, Catch Bull at Four, Nowhere man, Nowhere man, [(no)where, (now)here].......a,b,c's.......1's, 2's, 3's.........stuff.......blood, sweat, tears......all & everything.......the kitchen sink.....gravity...quantum physics, relativity, entanglement, holograms, bread & butter, peas/little green balls of mushy poison, if you always do what you always did you'll always get what you always got, karma, garbage in-garbage out.......stuff......in ten minutes, two Hardee's steak biscuits for $3.00 and a senior drink (iced tea .. .:-).......and hearing the ice drop..... sdp So dependent origination means everything is made up of smaller particles? Sounds like science to me. How bout this; Everything is influenced by everything else. There's no first cause and so we talk about everything existing by virtue of everything else. From my perspective, this would be the nature of a dream in which all perceptions originate in precisely the same intelligence. Dreamscapes are formed such that every perception arises as a combined influence of all other perceptions, and so nothing exists independently. I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with 'other pieces/stuff', which is also arising dependently.
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Post by enigma on Jun 14, 2013 15:51:54 GMT -5
How philosophical. Here's my take: emptiness (countable and uncountable; plural emptinesses) 1. The state or feeling of being empty empty (comparative emptier, superlative emptiest) 1. Devoid of content; containing nothing or nobody You can't accept that the word is used to talk about something else for which there is no word? How literal.
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Post by enigma on Jun 14, 2013 16:00:22 GMT -5
So, Max, that description of emptiness seems to be pointing to 'unknown'. That dependent origination, when stepped through (backwards), points to an essence that can't be known. Is that how you read it? It looks to me like emptiness is pointing away from the known, as in, empty of any form of substance. An appearance that is not more than an appearance would qualify as empty, right? Dependent origination doesn't seem to refer to known or unknown. It just says everything 'exists' by virtue of everything else. In simple terms, everything is one 'thing'. There is just the dream of appearances, appearing whole and complete by virtue of it's singular nature.
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Post by enigma on Jun 14, 2013 16:03:47 GMT -5
So, Max, that description of emptiness seems to be pointing to 'unknown'. That dependent origination, when stepped through (backwards), points to an essence that can't be known. Is that how you read it? The essence of things can't be known, they're empty. However, as the opening line says this isn't a form of nihilism. The take away I'm getting is that nothing can be without the other, or there is only everything, the particlars having no real essence. Or everything is the consequence of everything else?
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