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Post by laughter on Jun 24, 2013 9:59:55 GMT -5
The phenomena of witnessing or observing or being aware is all part of that which is witnessed or observed. yes ... remember though, ideas have shelf lives I'm thinking emptiness is pointing to the same thing as nonduality. I welcome someone explaining why I'm wrong about that. They're both challenging an assumption that there is a bunch of different little things out there, all essentially independent of one another. This includes an assumption of there being a self or witness or observer and then all the other stuff. (-- facepalms while jumping ... --) (** splash! **)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2013 10:06:59 GMT -5
The phenomena of witnessing or observing or being aware is all part of that which is witnessed or observed. yes ... remember though, ideas have shelf lives Yes the emptiness of emptiness. That's a doozy. It's like the road's burning up behind me. Gotta run faster!
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Post by laughter on Jun 26, 2013 6:05:40 GMT -5
yes ... remember though, ideas have shelf lives Yes the emptiness of emptiness. That's a doozy. It's like the road's burning up behind me. Gotta run faster! Really nice image man. don't
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2013 9:44:46 GMT -5
I had a taste of fear this morning. Interesting. I don't know if the feeling or the thought came first. The image was of sliding down a scree slope which is above a cliff. Scrambling to counter the downward acceleration towards a precipice. It was a glimpse and I wondered if it was fear. There was an anxious feeling. And inevitability. Silence's words on fear cropping up with more attention to silence came up. Facing it full on. Yes. Attention to silence has been happening more. I wonder if this is just more delusion. But that too is noticed. There is silence and there is what is happening. It seems like a duality. This is why I wonder if it is delusion -- maybe just wishful thinking that fear is going to come my way (as absurd as that sounds). But the apparent duality doesn't hold up with the emptiness idea.
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 26, 2013 9:58:12 GMT -5
Greetings.. The phenomena of witnessing or observing or being aware is all part of that which is witnessed or observed. yes ... remember though, ideas have shelf lives I'm thinking emptiness is pointing to the same thing as nonduality. I welcome someone explaining why I'm wrong about that. They're both challenging an assumption that there is a bunch of different little things out there, all essentially independent of one another. This includes an assumption of there being a self or witness or observer and then all the other stuff. (-- facepalms while jumping ... --) (** splash! **) There's a bunch of little things out there, they're interconnected by their included participation in the experience of existing, you are also included, and.. you are also observing the happening happen.. it happens within emptiness/void which is altered by virtue of the happening.. think how the water changes as the temperature rises, as tiny bubbles form at the simmer, and roiling boils reshape the formerly still water.. emptiness changes by virtue of what happens within, and it still functions as emptiness.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2013 11:26:56 GMT -5
Greetings.. yes ... remember though, ideas have shelf lives (-- facepalms while jumping ... --) (** splash! **) There's a bunch of little things out there, they're interconnected by their included participation in the experience of existing, you are also included, and.. you are also observing the happening happen.. it happens within emptiness/void which is altered by virtue of the happening.. think how the water changes as the temperature rises, as tiny bubbles form at the simmer, and roiling boils reshape the formerly still water.. emptiness changes by virtue of what happens within, and it still functions as emptiness.. Be well.. If I'm reading you right, that's not how I understand this concept of emptiness (which could be wrong and/or undeveloped). As far as the concept of emptiness goes, there is no essence to any of those little things. They can not appear at all without all other little things. Interconnection is moot, and redundant at best.
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 26, 2013 13:15:38 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. There's a bunch of little things out there, they're interconnected by their included participation in the experience of existing, you are also included, and.. you are also observing the happening happen.. it happens within emptiness/void which is altered by virtue of the happening.. think how the water changes as the temperature rises, as tiny bubbles form at the simmer, and roiling boils reshape the formerly still water.. emptiness changes by virtue of what happens within, and it still functions as emptiness.. Be well.. If I'm reading you right, that's not how I understand this concept of emptiness (which could be wrong and/or undeveloped). As far as the concept of emptiness goes, there is no essence to any of those little things. They can not appear at all without all other little things. Interconnection is moot, and redundant at best. More succinctly, perhaps: Emptiness is the space in which 'is' is.. inclusive of the 'space' created by an open mind.. Be well..
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Post by enigma on Jun 26, 2013 16:49:06 GMT -5
Greetings.. yes ... remember though, ideas have shelf lives (-- facepalms while jumping ... --) (** splash! **) There's a bunch of little things out there, they're interconnected by their included participation in the experience of existing, you are also included, and.. you are also observing the happening happen.. it happens within emptiness/void which is altered by virtue of the happening.. think how the water changes as the temperature rises, as tiny bubbles form at the simmer, and roiling boils reshape the formerly still water.. emptiness changes by virtue of what happens within, and it still functions as emptiness.. Be well.. What does it mean for emptiness to function as emptiness?
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 26, 2013 17:03:53 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. There's a bunch of little things out there, they're interconnected by their included participation in the experience of existing, you are also included, and.. you are also observing the happening happen.. it happens within emptiness/void which is altered by virtue of the happening.. think how the water changes as the temperature rises, as tiny bubbles form at the simmer, and roiling boils reshape the formerly still water.. emptiness changes by virtue of what happens within, and it still functions as emptiness.. Be well.. What does it mean for emptiness to function as emptiness? It is the space that allows what 'is' to be what it 'is'.. Be well..
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Post by Beingist on Jun 26, 2013 17:07:31 GMT -5
Greetings.. What does it mean for emptiness to function as emptiness? It is the space that allows what 'is' to be what it 'is'.. Be well.. So 'what is' = 'emptiness?' 'emptiness' = 'TWCBN'? All the same, erm, thing to me.
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 26, 2013 17:10:28 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. It is the space that allows what 'is' to be what it 'is'.. Be well.. So 'what is' = 'emptiness?' 'emptiness' = 'TWCBN'? All the same, erm, thing to me. Emptiness is the space between 'things'.. even between 'thoughts'.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2013 17:13:48 GMT -5
Greetings.. What does it mean for emptiness to function as emptiness? It is the space that allows what 'is' to be what it 'is'.. Be well.. Sounds to me like 'a space that 'allows'' isn't really Empty... Re: Emptiness is not actually Empty. If that's what your saying then I agree. Space or Emptiness isn't actually Empty or devoid of thing-ness, we just don't know what that lack of appearance or that devoid of thing-ness is... It's a logical impossibility that everything comes from Nothing...
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Post by laughter on Jun 26, 2013 17:29:33 GMT -5
I had a taste of fear this morning. Interesting. I don't know if the feeling or the thought came first. The image was of sliding down a scree slope which is above a cliff. Scrambling to counter the downward acceleration towards a precipice. It was a glimpse and I wondered if it was fear. There was an anxious feeling. And inevitability. Silence's words on fear cropping up with more attention to silence came up. Facing it full on. Yes. Attention to silence has been happening more. I wonder if this is just more delusion. But that too is noticed. There is silence and there is what is happening. It seems like a duality. This is why I wonder if it is delusion -- maybe just wishful thinking that fear is going to come my way (as absurd as that sounds). But the apparent duality doesn't hold up with the emptiness idea. Just keep lookin' man. S'all I'm "doin'". See the thoughts, the curiosity, the speculation as they arise for what they are. Duality is the appearance and the tool ... a sort of ways and means. In my experience if the thoughts that arise while looking are thoughts about the looking that means that other structures aren't engaged and the mind is getting curious about "what's happening". That curiosity is easy to see for what it is. Since nothing's really happening the poor things just gonna get disappointed anyways. Got nothin' for you on the fear -- we had a chat on that about a year ago.
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Post by Beingist on Jun 26, 2013 18:18:23 GMT -5
Greetings.. So 'what is' = 'emptiness?' 'emptiness' = 'TWCBN'? All the same, erm, thing to me. Emptiness is the space between 'things'.. even between 'thoughts'.. Be well.. 'What is', 'space', 'emptiness', 'TWCBN', Being, all the same thing to me.
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Post by laughter on Jun 26, 2013 18:18:27 GMT -5
Greetings.. yes ... remember though, ideas have shelf lives (-- facepalms while jumping ... --) (** splash! **) There's a bunch of little things out there, they're interconnected by their included participation in the experience of existing, you are also included, and.. you are also observing the happening happen.. it happens within emptiness/void which is altered by virtue of the happening.. think how the water changes as the temperature rises, as tiny bubbles form at the simmer, and roiling boils reshape the formerly still water.. emptiness changes by virtue of what happens within, and it still functions as emptiness.. Be well.. (** runs hands through wet hair **)
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