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Post by silver on Jun 12, 2013 13:28:42 GMT -5
This whole thread is about emptiness - are you saying you're not aware of the state of emptiness's existence? Just contemplating, questioning. As usual. It seems to me that it would be impossible to be aware of something that has no attributes, characteristics, traits, or traces that could be objects of awareness. That's why I asked you that question. To answer your question: No. I'm not aware of the state of emptiness' existence. I'm not sure what that means, for the most part. Emptiness is implied. Maybe that's all there is. Our infinite senses can detect emptiness. Can't you feel it? When we die, then we will be that emptiness - like a *fart* in the wind, yup. Until then, I sense emptiness and can feel it well. I like it, too. Because I (can) have a still mind~*
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 13:28:44 GMT -5
Is that your final answer? This is a symbol I ran across recently. Everything is within nothing. It's interesting. But the symbol itself is within what? That's the same as saying, that it's, what's outside the circle that's most important.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 13:31:21 GMT -5
Is awareness form? I thought it had not properties or attributes? You've given it an attribute by asking if it's like, emptiness.Yes. I have no answers only confuddlement. The stillness which remains present despite appearances. Is this a stillness created solely from the contrast to the flux of change? Perhaps contrast is the thing to be celebrated and not that which is contrasted to each other?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 13:38:07 GMT -5
Just contemplating, questioning. As usual. It seems to me that it would be impossible to be aware of something that has no attributes, characteristics, traits, or traces that could be objects of awareness. That's why I asked you that question. To answer your question: No. I'm not aware of the state of emptiness' existence. I'm not sure what that means, for the most part. Emptiness is implied. Maybe that's all there is. Our infinite senses can detect emptiness. Can't you feel it? When we die, then we will be that emptiness - like a *fart* in the wind, yup. Until then, I sense emptiness and can feel it well. I like it, too. Because I (can) have a still mind~* Isn't that a Dylan song? Maybe Eagles. Or Willie. Infinite senses?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 13:54:09 GMT -5
You've given it an attribute by asking if it's like, emptiness. Yes. I have no answers only confuddlement. The stillness which remains present despite appearances. Is this a stillness created solely from the contrast to the flux of change? Perhaps contrast is the thing to be celebrated and not that which is contrasted to each other? Ok. Does the stillness have the same flavour and distinction that you call awareness, to it?
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Post by silver on Jun 12, 2013 13:54:43 GMT -5
Our infinite senses can detect emptiness. Can't you feel it? When we die, then we will be that emptiness - like a *fart* in the wind, yup. Until then, I sense emptiness and can feel it well. I like it, too. Because I (can) have a still mind~* Isn't that a Dylan song? Maybe Eagles. Or Willie. Infinite senses? I don't know about a song, but it made me snicker when the warden in Shawshank redemption said it when they were looking for the escapee. Infinite senses - I don't know about that either, it just came out that way! I sense that our senses may be the overlap between our quick selves and our dead selves.
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Post by Beingist on Jun 12, 2013 14:01:31 GMT -5
<speculation>The 14th DL seems like a pretty fun-loving guy. I imagine if he were asked "Do you exist?" he'd probably just have a good laugh. And then he might pontificate like above. </speculation> Is emptiness like awareness? Ok. I'll play along. No, emptiness isn't awareness because it's that we're awareness that we're aware of the emptiness. This is why I don't even play with ... philosophical stuff like this. So much depends upon definitions. At first glance, I can grasp the above, but I mean, c'mon. How can one be aware of emptiness? What is it that awareness can be aware of? It's all just ... silly talk. Mental masturbation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 14:16:05 GMT -5
Ok. I'll play along. No, emptiness isn't awareness because it's that we're awareness that we're aware of the emptiness. This is why I don't even play with ... philosophical stuff like this. So much depends upon definitions. At first glance, I can grasp the above, but I mean, c'mon. How can one be aware of emptiness? What is it that awareness can be aware of? It's all just ... silly talk. Mental masturbation. Maybe emptiness is more about the absence of a separate self. Maybe form is made up of non-me things. Thich spoke to this on a few occasions.
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Post by Beingist on Jun 12, 2013 14:33:24 GMT -5
This is why I don't even play with ... philosophical stuff like this. So much depends upon definitions. At first glance, I can grasp the above, but I mean, c'mon. How can one be aware of emptiness? What is it that awareness can be aware of? It's all just ... silly talk. Mental masturbation. Maybe emptiness is more about the absence of a separate self. Maybe form is made up of non-me things. Thich spoke to this on a few occasions. Cool. Have fun pondering, is all I'm saying.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 14:46:23 GMT -5
Maybe emptiness is more about the absence of a separate self. Maybe form is made up of non-me things. Thich spoke to this on a few occasions. Cool. Have fun pondering, is all I'm saying. Cool. I am empty of a separate self, but full of the whole universe. How much fun is that?
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Post by Beingist on Jun 12, 2013 15:05:10 GMT -5
Cool. Have fun pondering, is all I'm saying. Cool. I am empty of a separate self, but full of the whole universe. How much fun is that? Yeah, ain't it great?
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Post by laughter on Jun 12, 2013 15:16:20 GMT -5
Is that your final answer? This is a symbol I ran across recently. Everything is within nothing. It's interesting. B ut the symbol itself is within what?The question is an invitation to recursive objectification. Do you see the face in your symbol?
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Post by laughter on Jun 12, 2013 15:19:31 GMT -5
Our infinite senses can detect emptiness. Can't you feel it? When we die, then we will be that emptiness - like a *fart* in the wind, yup. Until then, I sense emptiness and can feel it well. I like it, too. Because I (can) have a still mind~* Isn't that a Dylan song? Maybe Eagles. Or Willie. Infinite senses? One-hit-wonder by "Kansas". A real pick-me-upper it is at that!
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Post by silence on Jun 12, 2013 17:00:58 GMT -5
Ok. I'll play along. No, emptiness isn't awareness because it's that we're awareness that we're aware of the emptiness. This is why I don't even play with ... philosophical stuff like this. So much depends upon definitions. At first glance, I can grasp the above, but I mean, c'mon. How can one be aware of emptiness? What is it that awareness can be aware of? It's all just ... silly talk. Mental masturbation. Wait, is it emptiness masturbating?
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Post by Beingist on Jun 12, 2013 17:47:33 GMT -5
This is why I don't even play with ... philosophical stuff like this. So much depends upon definitions. At first glance, I can grasp the above, but I mean, c'mon. How can one be aware of emptiness? What is it that awareness can be aware of? It's all just ... silly talk. Mental masturbation. Wait, is it emptiness masturbating? You're gonna have to think, erm, long and hard on that one.
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