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Post by topology on Dec 2, 2012 17:08:35 GMT -5
Silver, I have no desire to confine Arisha. That is your false interpretation of my motivation. The only problem I have with Arisha is what I've stated already. Her contributions in other areas I have no problem with. There are times when I feel she is insightful and speaks with clarity. Then there are other times when her contributions seem to have ulterior motives, such as her whole commentary on NLPers. You are right, Silver. We all do it in the course of normal conversation. However, Arisha has both claimed that she doesn't do it, or if she does it is not intentional and that certain people on the forum are intentionally doing it to be controlling. My problem is she paints herself as a saintly victim and paints others as devils for doing something that everyone does, including herself. Words speak louder than....your more words. From my understanding of what she's saying, it's not even so much that peeps do it - but the motivations behind it that count far more. As I mentioned somewhere in the past few days - EFT wouldn't exist if not for NLP - which I'm very thankful for. How is it so hard to believe that some are using it intentionally (any manipulations imb) - what disturbs me is that you and 'others' seem to become very lawyer-like when your pet 'beliefs' are challenged in any way. That's just my 2 pesos, anyway. My point still stands, her motives are no better than the "worst" of those she is talking about. Please explain which of my "pet beliefs" are being challenged?
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Post by silver on Dec 2, 2012 17:10:18 GMT -5
Words speak louder than....your more words. From my understanding of what she's saying, it's not even so much that peeps do it - but the motivations behind it that count far more. As I mentioned somewhere in the past few days - EFT wouldn't exist if not for NLP - which I'm very thankful for. How is it so hard to believe that some are using it intentionally (any manipulations imb) - what disturbs me is that you and 'others' seem to become very lawyer-like when your pet 'beliefs' are challenged in any way. That's just my 2 pesos, anyway. My point still stands, her motives are no better than the "worst" of those she is talking about. Please explain which of my "pet beliefs" are being challenged? Well, that's off topic, I guess. My apologies.
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Post by silver on Dec 2, 2012 17:11:35 GMT -5
Words speak louder than....your more words. From my understanding of what she's saying, it's not even so much that peeps do it - but the motivations behind it that count far more. As I mentioned somewhere in the past few days - EFT wouldn't exist if not for NLP - which I'm very thankful for. How is it so hard to believe that some are using it intentionally (any manipulations imb) - what disturbs me is that you and 'others' seem to become very lawyer-like when your pet 'beliefs' are challenged in any way. That's just my 2 pesos, anyway. My point still stands, her motives are no better than the "worst" of those she is talking about. Your point still stands, but it's still just one man's opinion.
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Post by topology on Dec 2, 2012 17:24:37 GMT -5
My point still stands, her motives are no better than the "worst" of those she is talking about. Please explain which of my "pet beliefs" are being challenged? Well, that's off topic, I guess. My apologies. Are you backing down because you don't have any clear examples of my "pet beliefs" being challenged?
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Post by silver on Dec 2, 2012 17:32:04 GMT -5
Well, that's off topic, I guess. My apologies. Are you backing down because you don't have any clear examples of my "pet beliefs" being challenged? Your notion of 'backing down' is my realizing I'm off topic and attempting to rectify that.
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Post by topology on Dec 2, 2012 17:38:33 GMT -5
Are you backing down because you don't have any clear examples of my "pet beliefs" being challenged? Your notion of 'backing down' is my realizing I'm off topic and attempting to rectify that. You could always PM me and the answers to the questions you still have not answered.
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Post by silver on Dec 2, 2012 17:59:35 GMT -5
Your notion of 'backing down' is my realizing I'm off topic and attempting to rectify that. You could always PM me and the answers to the questions you still have not answered. Yeah, I s'pose I could.
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Post by jasonl on Dec 3, 2012 5:25:22 GMT -5
Yeah, it's an emotional biznis. Beliefs are tricky to hold in place. Since they lose their validity outside of the context in which they form, they can't be looked at too closely, so we have to pretend that they are a given, or declare that we have a right to our beliefs or that our opinion is equally valid and should be respected or that we shouldn't be thinking about it or whatever defense we can conjure up. We don't like it when peeps make us question our beliefs, but of course if they're true, it shouldn't matter. In many ways, I see belief as a shield, not from the potential of whatever is believed being false or invalid, but rather, from the possibility that what is already unconsciously believed being true. And the dynamics through which this manifest are really quite fascinating, even if at times a bit saddening to see. I've been exploring the dynamic through which things become internalized, and seeing if this internalization could perhaps shed some light on how beliefs are formulated. In the long run, what I see is mind being conditioned to think and feel a certain way, and within that structure certain beliefs could likely be pinpointed as the center piece for the trajectory of interest, or what thoughts mind is interested in or conditioned to create now moving forward. In terms of becoming conscious, as the trajectory of interest is noticed, the mind can follow the bread crumbs back to the beliefs which are driving that interest, and then take out the shovel and the pick ax and hack away to see what's underneath that. Its a thankless business and any benefits which are reaped are done so as a loss. If nothing is uncovered in the form of unconsciousness, then the trajectory continues to play out as it would have anyway.
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Post by Reefs on Nov 23, 2013 22:28:50 GMT -5
But you haven't left. Does every prominent poster have to go through a meltdown and get banned? Tonight on NBC: When forums go bad. Maybe it's like a graduation or something. I should send out a questionnaire form in 12 monthst time. "Where are they now?" So, where are they now?
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