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Post by silver on Dec 2, 2012 12:54:09 GMT -5
One more tactic is not answering ALL questions,- just some of them, those which are good for answering them, and for creating quite a new context, in order to use the new context for attacking back. Most of the questions are ignored by the NLPer, most of the comments are also ignored, - as if what is asked or said had never been asked or said. Who will read this stuff attentively? Most of the people are here for spiritual discussions, not for arguing about tools and methods used, - they won't read. I am wasting my time on this analysis because I am involved in the situation and can see the details which others ommit. The main reason is not my own involvement as I prefer to quickly stop my envolvement in any ugly situations. But I am not going to simply watch how a disguised bullying is going on. Hidden bullying is as inappropriate as the direct confrontation with insults and mockery. What about your own disguised bullying, Arisha?These posts you've been writing about the "NLPer" are really written about Enigma and myself. You've deleted and wont use my name, for whatever reason, but the association is clear through reference to dissertation. You have distorted the subject of my dissertation. You've generalized the "methods" of "NLPers". Your intent with these posts are to plant subconscious suggestions in the minds of readers that the persons you are talking about are manipulating and controlling the conversation through subconscious suggestion. Let's be real Arisha. You are guilty of everything you write about. You've adjusted your tone to make it softer so it is more palatable to the reader and does not put yourself at risk of being banned by the mod. Well, at least with the first statement, you no longer deny your own disguised bullying.... All the bolded/italicized are accusations you are hurling at someone you are defining as being / having mental and emotional difficulties. So...........why not just ignore her rantings and ravings and stay out of the thread and let her alone here in her padded cell? to feel one has to use offense as the best defense means there's something to defend against...seems to me.
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Post by Beingist on Dec 2, 2012 13:18:02 GMT -5
I don't think anyone who thinks anyone is attacking anyone else is going to listen to anyone who says otherwise, so I'm just going to keep quiet.
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Post by silver on Dec 2, 2012 13:39:52 GMT -5
I don't think anyone who thinks anyone is attacking anyone else is going to listen to anyone who says otherwise, so I'm just going to keep quiet. Aww. You're such a sweetheart, B. {{{hugz}}}
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Post by enigma on Dec 2, 2012 13:53:28 GMT -5
Zachlee. It's also useful to notice that as the mind becomes more stressed, the projections become more frequent and blatant because this fear results in more contraction of the focus, which means less conscious. However, the projections themselves reveal that the truth of the matter is in fact being seen even in this contracted state or there would be no need to project. So the contracted, unconscious focus actually is aware, just not consciously so. On deeper levels of mind, there IS the awareness of what's going on, it's just being actively blocked from conscious awareness. The battle intensifies to prevent this conscious awareness, but in a sense, the horsey has already left the barn. In the larger context, we all already know the Truth, because we ARE the Truth. The issue is how long we can resist the conscious awareness of Truth. How long can we keep ourselves unconscious even as we pretend to be seeking full conscious awareness. The situation is absurd, and this is the root of human insanity. And in a mediumer context, its what's unconsciously believed to be true at the root of the conflicted and prone to project mind which causes the projection in the first place. We could call it a phenomena of thought identification, but its an emotional business at the core. Yeah, it's an emotional biznis. Beliefs are tricky to hold in place. Since they lose their validity outside of the context in which they form, they can't be looked at too closely, so we have to pretend that they are a given, or declare that we have a right to our beliefs or that our opinion is equally valid and should be respected or that we shouldn't be thinking about it or whatever defense we can conjure up. We don't like it when peeps make us question our beliefs, but of course if they're true, it shouldn't matter.
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Post by enigma on Dec 2, 2012 14:02:58 GMT -5
I don't think anyone who thinks anyone is attacking anyone else is going to listen to anyone who says otherwise, so I'm just going to keep quiet. So Top isn't going to listen to you? Is that what you mean? Really, I think he's a very good listener.
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Post by topology on Dec 2, 2012 14:47:42 GMT -5
What about your own disguised bullying, Arisha?These posts you've been writing about the "NLPer" are really written about Enigma and myself. You've deleted and wont use my name, for whatever reason, but the association is clear through reference to dissertation. You have distorted the subject of my dissertation. You've generalized the "methods" of "NLPers". Your intent with these posts are to plant subconscious suggestions in the minds of readers that the persons you are talking about are manipulating and controlling the conversation through subconscious suggestion. Let's be real Arisha. You are guilty of everything you write about. You've adjusted your tone to make it softer so it is more palatable to the reader and does not put yourself at risk of being banned by the mod. Well, at least with the first statement, you no longer deny your own disguised bullying.... All the bolded/italicized are accusations you are hurling at someone you are defining as being / having mental and emotional difficulties. So...........why not just ignore her rantings and ravings and stay out of the thread and let her alone here in her padded cell? to feel one has to use offense as the best defense means there's something to defend against...seems to me. Do you see me as a bully, silver? How is what I am saying to Arisha bothering you?
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Post by silver on Dec 2, 2012 14:53:53 GMT -5
Well, at least with the first statement, you no longer deny your own disguised bullying.... All the bolded/italicized are accusations you are hurling at someone you are defining as being / having mental and emotional difficulties. So...........why not just ignore her rantings and ravings and stay out of the thread and let her alone here in her padded cell? to feel one has to use offense as the best defense means there's something to defend against...seems to me. Do you see me as a bully, silver? How is what I am saying to Arisha bothering you? Is it possible to answer my questions first?
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Post by topology on Dec 2, 2012 15:40:06 GMT -5
What about your own disguised bullying, Arisha?These posts you've been writing about the "NLPer" are really written about Enigma and myself. You've deleted and wont use my name, for whatever reason, but the association is clear through reference to dissertation. You have distorted the subject of my dissertation. You've generalized the "methods" of "NLPers". Your intent with these posts are to plant subconscious suggestions in the minds of readers that the persons you are talking about are manipulating and controlling the conversation through subconscious suggestion. Let's be real Arisha. You are guilty of everything you write about. You've adjusted your tone to make it softer so it is more palatable to the reader and does not put yourself at risk of being banned by the mod. Well, at least with the first statement, you no longer deny your own disguised bullying.... All the bolded/italicized are accusations you are hurling at someone you are defining as being / having mental and emotional difficulties. So...........why not just ignore her rantings and ravings and stay out of the thread and let her alone here in her padded cell? to feel one has to use offense as the best defense means there's something to defend against...seems to me. Padded cell? That's your wording. 1) Thread boundaries are illusions and Arisha hasn't kept her view of me or Enigma to a single thread. 2) There's some irony in you telling me to leave Arisha alone when you had such a difficult time leaving Reefs alone. 3) I'm going to point out clear hypocrisy and projection when I see it because I think the person needs to be aware of it. 4) Yes, I do think Arisha has a few psychic wounds at play in the subconscious, but it's not about what I think in this respect, it's about what she thinks. She thinks she is whole, seeing clearly, and in the right to be labelling Enigma and I as NLPers and trying to cast as as secret manipulaters trying to control others. If she views herself as whole, then she can handle some confrontation about the hypocrisy and projection she is putting forward. She is using the techniques she is trying to warn other people about. 5) while she is trying to skew how other posters relate to me, I am going to step forward and point out the problems with what she is saying: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=intro&thread=2504&page=1#89318
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Post by silver on Dec 2, 2012 15:55:24 GMT -5
Well, at least with the first statement, you no longer deny your own disguised bullying.... All the bolded/italicized are accusations you are hurling at someone you are defining as being / having mental and emotional difficulties. So...........why not just ignore her rantings and ravings and stay out of the thread and let her alone here in her padded cell? to feel one has to use offense as the best defense means there's something to defend against...seems to me. Padded cell? That's your wording. 1) Thread boundaries are illusions and Arisha hasn't kept her view of me or Enigma to a single thread. 2) There's some irony in you telling me to leave Arisha alone when you had such a difficult time leaving Reefs alone. 3) I'm going to point out clear hypocrisy and projection when I see it because I think the person needs to be aware of it. 4) Yes, I do think Arisha has a few psychic wounds at play in the subconscious, but it's not about what I think in this respect, it's about what she thinks. She thinks she is whole, seeing clearly, and in the right to be labelling Enigma and I as NLPers and trying to cast as as secret manipulaters trying to control others. If she views herself as whole, then she can handle some confrontation about the hypocrisy and projection she is putting forward. She is using the techniques she is trying to warn other people about. 5) while she is trying to skew how other posters relate to me, I am going to step forward and point out the problems with what she is saying: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=intro&thread=2504&page=1#89318Nothing like a little dirty pool, ay? Like bringing up ancient history - It appears to me that both Reefs and I have been like totally toeing the line - heck, I haven't even seen him here in days. And I will continue to be a good girl. I'm just wondering out loud to myself how it is you see your post that I commented on as 'point'ing out 'clear hypocrisy and projection' - I think you know as well as the next person how words paint a picture. Your post was pointing at her in a not-unlike-courtroom drama fashion. Remember? Reefs considers you a drama queen yourself, Top.
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Post by silver on Dec 2, 2012 16:01:33 GMT -5
Well, at least with the first statement, you no longer deny your own disguised bullying.... All the bolded/italicized are accusations you are hurling at someone you are defining as being / having mental and emotional difficulties. So...........why not just ignore her rantings and ravings and stay out of the thread and let her alone here in her padded cell? to feel one has to use offense as the best defense means there's something to defend against...seems to me. Padded cell? That's your wording. She is using the techniques she is trying to warn other people about. I used the wording padded cell because it looks like that's how you view her - as needing to be 'confined' - kept from posting her thoughts whether you and / or others agree with them or not. So, you do know well enough of the techniques she is using, then. You all do it. We all sometimes find ourselves in a position where we feel the need to fight fire with fire, no?
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Post by arisha on Dec 2, 2012 16:10:03 GMT -5
There are some favorite discussions again with the same bias of changing the subject, not answering questions, and other bla-bla. It's ok. Just some more demonstration with examples of self-love, self-importance, and self-justification. It's not new, and it shows again and again how the mind works when it needs to promote the values which are imposed on it by false teachings. When it's just against me I don't care, and am not going to take part in any senseless talking. But I'll be trying to prevent any mockery, insultment and NLPing of others by explaining how the mind of NLPers work.
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Post by topology on Dec 2, 2012 16:45:03 GMT -5
Padded cell? That's your wording. 1) Thread boundaries are illusions and Arisha hasn't kept her view of me or Enigma to a single thread. 2) There's some irony in you telling me to leave Arisha alone when you had such a difficult time leaving Reefs alone. 3) I'm going to point out clear hypocrisy and projection when I see it because I think the person needs to be aware of it. 4) Yes, I do think Arisha has a few psychic wounds at play in the subconscious, but it's not about what I think in this respect, it's about what she thinks. She thinks she is whole, seeing clearly, and in the right to be labelling Enigma and I as NLPers and trying to cast as as secret manipulaters trying to control others. If she views herself as whole, then she can handle some confrontation about the hypocrisy and projection she is putting forward. She is using the techniques she is trying to warn other people about. 5) while she is trying to skew how other posters relate to me, I am going to step forward and point out the problems with what she is saying: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=intro&thread=2504&page=1#89318Nothing like a little dirty pool, ay? Like bringing up ancient history - It appears to me that both Reefs and I have been like totally toeing the line - heck, I haven't even seen him here in days. And I will continue to be a good girl. I'm just wondering out loud to myself how it is you see your post that I commented on as 'point'ing out 'clear hypocrisy and projection' - I think you know as well as the next person how words paint a picture. Your post was pointing at her in a not-unlike-courtroom drama fashion. Remember? Reefs considers you a drama queen yourself, Top. It's easy to "toe the line" when Reefs isn't here. Now how about answering my questions?
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Post by topology on Dec 2, 2012 16:56:30 GMT -5
Padded cell? That's your wording. She is using the techniques she is trying to warn other people about. I used the wording padded cell because it looks like that's how you view her - as needing to be 'confined' - kept from posting her thoughts whether you and / or others agree with them or not. So, you do know well enough of the techniques she is using, then. You all do it. We all sometimes find ourselves in a position where we feel the need to fight fire with fire, no? Silver, I have no desire to confine Arisha. That is your false interpretation of my motivation. The only problem I have with Arisha is what I've stated already. Her contributions in other areas I have no problem with. There are times when I feel she is insightful and speaks with clarity. Then there are other times when her contributions seem to have ulterior motives, such as her whole commentary on NLPers. You are right, Silver. We all do it in the course of normal conversation. However, Arisha has both claimed that she doesn't do it, or if she does it is not intentional and that certain people on the forum are intentionally doing it to be controlling. My problem is she paints herself as a saintly victim and paints others as devils for doing something that everyone does, including herself.
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Post by silver on Dec 2, 2012 16:56:53 GMT -5
Nothing like a little dirty pool, ay? Like bringing up ancient history - It appears to me that both Reefs and I have been like totally toeing the line - heck, I haven't even seen him here in days. And I will continue to be a good girl. I'm just wondering out loud to myself how it is you see your post that I commented on as 'point'ing out 'clear hypocrisy and projection' - I think you know as well as the next person how words paint a picture. Your post was pointing at her in a not-unlike-courtroom drama fashion. Remember? Reefs considers you a drama queen yourself, Top. It's easy to "toe the line" when Reefs isn't here. Now how about answering my questions? Haha, you didn't answer mine, first. And btw, when he was here, ever so briefly, we had no run-ins, either.
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Post by silver on Dec 2, 2012 17:02:08 GMT -5
I used the wording padded cell because it looks like that's how you view her - as needing to be 'confined' - kept from posting her thoughts whether you and / or others agree with them or not. So, you do know well enough of the techniques she is using, then. You all do it. We all sometimes find ourselves in a position where we feel the need to fight fire with fire, no? Silver, I have no desire to confine Arisha. That is your false interpretation of my motivation. The only problem I have with Arisha is what I've stated already. Her contributions in other areas I have no problem with. There are times when I feel she is insightful and speaks with clarity. Then there are other times when her contributions seem to have ulterior motives, such as her whole commentary on NLPers. You are right, Silver. We all do it in the course of normal conversation. However, Arisha has both claimed that she doesn't do it, or if she does it is not intentional and that certain people on the forum are intentionally doing it to be controlling. My problem is she paints herself as a saintly victim and paints others as devils for doing something that everyone does, including herself. Words speak louder than....your more words. From my understanding of what she's saying, it's not even so much that peeps do it - but the motivations behind it that count far more. As I mentioned somewhere in the past few days - EFT wouldn't exist if not for NLP - which I'm very thankful for. How is it so hard to believe that some are using it intentionally (any manipulations imb) - what disturbs me is that you and 'others' seem to become very lawyer-like when your pet 'beliefs' are challenged in any way. That's just my 2 pesos, anyway.
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