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Post by Peter on Jul 9, 2011 5:13:42 GMT -5
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Post by therealfake on Jul 9, 2011 21:20:47 GMT -5
False preachers should be taught a lessonSeveral people think that they are already God and they have to only remove the ignorance that they are not God. Hence, there is no need of the element of love to God. Their effort is always to strengthen their memory power that they are God. They think that they are really God and that they have forgotten this fact. The basic reason for such concept is that God is the awareness present in a living being. Actually, awareness is the best comparison for God. The creation of this world by God is best compared to the creation of dream by awareness. The awareness can control the dream in any manner as it likes. The awareness can change any item of the dream in to any other item just by its wish. Similarly, God can change any object of the creation in to another object by His will. For this point, the awareness and dream stand as best examples. On sharp analysis, the comparison shows its own limitation. The dream in the form of signals collected from the information of external world already exists in the awareness, but the Universe did not exist in God prior to its creation in the form of signals. The awareness, which is nervous energy, is modified in to dream, where as God is never modified. Neglecting all these limitations, you can take awareness as the best simile for God. The best simile is always expressed as metaphor. If a person is exactly as brave as lion, a person can be spoken as lion itself through the figure of speech called as metaphor. Similarly, God is called as awareness. The person is not actually lion. The metaphor indicates that the person is almost as brave as lion. The comparison is in the quality of courage only and not in other aspects like strong jaws, strong nails, brown basket of hair, roaring, killing the animals etc. Similarly, God is compared to awareness in only one aspect, which is changing anything into any other thing just by will. What lesson would you propose for yourself, or do you want me to create one for you? Like, hmmm, OK here's one... Instead of focusing on your concepts, focus on the spaces between them...
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Post by Peter on Jul 10, 2011 2:26:46 GMT -5
Oops, also forgot to say: Welcome to the board Dattaswami.
A couple of people (myself included) have mentioned that it would be helpful to the rest of the forum if you put all your teachings in a single thread, rather than starting new ones each time. That'll keep all your writing together in one place so we know where to find it.
With a couple of exceptions, we're more a sort of seekers-seeking-together forum, rather than devotees in search of a guru which (from reading your website) seems to be more your bag. So discussion tends to work better here than lecturing or preaching.
Hope that's more helpful than annoying.
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Post by acewall on Jul 13, 2011 1:04:15 GMT -5
How dose one 'teach' the False guru a lesson and not obtain another round of Karma?
Surely it is our karma that brings the false guru to us for our-own awakening, certainly not His or Hers, who may only be trying to get their-needs met.
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Post by heretic on Jul 13, 2011 8:56:39 GMT -5
How dose one 'teach' the False guru a lesson and not obtain another round of Karma? Surely it is our karma that brings the false guru to us for our-own awakening, certainly not His or Hers, who may only be trying to get their-needs met.
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Post by enigma on Jul 13, 2011 15:48:47 GMT -5
How dose one 'teach' the False guru a lesson and not obtain another round of Karma? Surely it is our karma that brings the false guru to us for our-own awakening, certainly not His or Hers, who may only be trying to get their-needs met. That's my take as well. My sense is that the forum needed a shift of focus, whether that focus is toward a deeper discussion or a deeper silence. Perhaps both?
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Post by acewall on Jul 13, 2011 21:32:17 GMT -5
How dose one 'teach' the False guru a lesson and not obtain another round of Karma? Surely it is our karma that brings the false guru to us for our-own awakening, certainly not His or Hers, who may only be trying to get their-needs met. That's my take as well. My sense is that the forum needed a shift of focus, whether that focus is toward a deeper discussion or a deeper silence. Perhaps both? perhaps this thread could now become a GREAT thread.... a new-thread where we can share how False-Gurus have helped us evolve in life.
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Post by kate on Jul 13, 2011 21:56:17 GMT -5
There are false gurus of one kind or another everywhere I turn lately. It seems like the more I realise how little I know the more people spring forward wanting to use my lack of knowledge as an opportunity to showcase their own.
It doesn't bother me too much but it does get in the way of being able to really connect and I find I lose patience with these people pretty quickly. So I'm spending a lot more time I my own lately which seems to be exactly what I need.
Hooray for false gurus!
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Post by acewall on Jul 14, 2011 4:30:05 GMT -5
Kate,
false-gurus are teaching you that your 'depth of patience' is bottomless?.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2011 8:47:14 GMT -5
My sense is that the forum needed a shift of focus, whether that focus is toward a deeper discussion or a deeper silence. Perhaps both? sweeet comment though I hesitate to say as such because, sometimes, just a few meek words seem like such false gurus ignoring the false guru within
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Post by kate on Jul 14, 2011 16:08:10 GMT -5
Kate, false-gurus are teaching you that your 'depth of patience' is bottomless?. Alas, patience is not one of my strong points. I think I'm just noticing how many people feel the need to be a guru of one kind or another, while simultaneously noticing how the same inclination arises in me from time to time. I'm going through something at the moment where I'm feeling a little removed from other people. There's certain sorts of conversations I don't really know how to engage in anymore - philosophical theorising about life, relationships, the quest for happiness. Maybe it involves becoming a better listener, I'm not sure. When I look around me lately I don't see much honesty. Sometimes I find this very frustrating but it also makes me realise that right now self honesty is the only tool I have.
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Post by acewall on Jul 14, 2011 20:25:00 GMT -5
My sense is that the forum needed a shift of focus, whether that focus is toward a deeper discussion or a deeper silence. Perhaps both? sweeet comment though I hesitate to say as such because, sometimes, just a few meek words seem like such false gurus ignoring the false guru within one must not be frightened. One can abolish-fear by speaking-out! If we cannot speak freely out of our ego-conciousness, we retain paranoia within the subconcious and may never realise a clarity of mind. Its important to try-out! We learn this way.
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Post by acewall on Jul 14, 2011 21:01:11 GMT -5
Kate, false-gurus are teaching you that your 'depth of patience' is bottomless?. Alas, patience is not one of my strong points. I think I'm just noticing how many people feel the need to be a guru of one kind or another, while simultaneously noticing how the same inclination arises in me from time to time. I'm going through something at the moment where I'm feeling a little removed from other people. There's certain sorts of conversations I don't really know how to engage in anymore - philosophical theorising about life, relationships, the quest for happiness. Maybe it involves becoming a better listener, I'm not sure. When I look around me lately I don't see much honesty. Sometimes I find this very frustrating but it also makes me realise that right now self honesty is the only tool I have. Patience is here even when you are focussed-elsewhere. There is only One patience. Everyone has the guru within themselves kate, both you and i have this functioning when we intuit. Intuiting aint a mental-thing; it comes-up from the same direction as where compassion arises from within us. Sure, some egos identify with teacher-status(guru) and thus the false-guru is lived-out 'unawarely' by the ego involved. This has to be so, otherwise how could we awaken from such Ignorance? Ignorance is GOOD as it provids us with the conditions from which to evolve in our Life-understanding. We all need to allow our egos freedom to flow, as you (the watcher) will see the false in action and this SEE-ing is what puts things straight, if bent! Krishnamurti taught me that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 9:54:59 GMT -5
sweeet comment though I hesitate to say as such because, sometimes, just a few meek words seem like such false gurus ignoring the false guru within one must not be frightened. One can abolish-fear by speaking-out! If we cannot speak freely out of our ego-conciousness, we retain paranoia within the subconcious and may never realise a clarity of mind. Its important to try-out! We learn this way. Sit quietly and listen for a voice that says, 'Be more silent.' ~ Rumi [that guy was a real cut up!]
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Post by ifriend on Jul 15, 2011 13:48:06 GMT -5
I think that if God wants anyone "taught a lesson" He can most certainly do it Himself and doesn't need any person to do it for Him. Best advice if you think someone is a false preacher or anything else false, is to cover your ears. Or speak the Truth as you see it, remembering that, as Maitreya has taught me, "No man or woman is my enemy. The Force of Darkness alone is our enemy." Many times people declare others to be false simply because they don't fit into what they already believe. Take it to the extreme and you have witch burnings and the Inquisition. As Maitreya just taught too nights ago, the world is too small for bigots. youtu.be/bCKhrOybgk8
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