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Post by acewall on Jul 17, 2011 2:51:00 GMT -5
relax from trying?
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Post by enigma on Jul 17, 2011 3:06:55 GMT -5
Keep an 'I' out for the effort police, though. Hehe. |
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Post by acewall on Jul 17, 2011 4:02:49 GMT -5
Keep an 'I' out for the effort police, though. Hehe. lol, smart cookie... my i always says 'the 'I' will always be the reference-point someone is comming from and that same 'I' really does become clearer and clearer in time, if one is alert to themselves! Does it really matter?  |
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Post by zendancer on Jul 17, 2011 8:13:02 GMT -5
Keep an 'I' out for the effort police, though. Hehe. lol, smart cookie... my i always says 'the 'I' will always be the reference-point someone is comming from and that same 'I' really does become clearer and clearer in time, if one is alert to themselves! Does it really matter? Ha ha. Your "I" is lying to you. Look for what is aware of what the "I" is saying. The "I" is a function of deep-seated thought processes. When those thought processes or structures of thought collapse, empty isness reigns. Only then does brushing teeth or drinking coffee become empty of the conceptual brusher and drinker--the doer. Does it matter if the "I" remains? Only if you want seeking to end. Seeking ends when the "I" is seen through. |
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Post by acewall on Jul 17, 2011 8:39:54 GMT -5
lol, smart cookie... my i always says 'the 'I' will always be the reference-point someone is comming from and that same 'I' really does become clearer and clearer in time, if one is alert to themselves! Does it really matter? Ha ha. Your "I" is lying to you. Look for what is aware of what the "I" is saying. The "I" is a function of deep-seated thought processes. When those thought processes or structures of thought collapse, empty isness reigns. Only then does brushing teeth or drinking coffee become empty of the conceptual brusher and drinker--the doer. Does it matter if the "I" remains? Only if you want seeking to end. Seeking ends when the "I" is seen through. haha? Isnt self referance at the heart of expression? The wonderful thing about not-knowing makes us sensitive and alert in our lives. Knowing can be dulling to life as one is constantly in their heads with their knowledge. Surely the heart is the seat of knowledge, not ones head.  |
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Post by acewall on Jul 17, 2011 9:00:19 GMT -5
Ha ha. Your "I" is lying to you. Look for what is aware of what the "I" is saying. The "I" is a function of deep-seated thought processes. When those thought processes or structures of thought collapse, empty isness reigns. Only then does brushing teeth or drinking coffee become empty of the conceptual brusher and drinker--the doer. Does it matter if the "I" remains? Only if you want seeking to end. Seeking ends when the "I" is seen through. haha? Isnt self referance at the heart of expression? The wonderful thing about not-knowing makes us sensitive and alert in our lives. Knowing can be dulling to life as one is constantly in their head alone with their-knowledge. Surely the heart is the seat of knowledge, not ones head. |
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Post by zendancer on Jul 17, 2011 9:45:16 GMT -5
Yes, what we can call "the heart" or what Zen calls "the tanden" is the seat of body-knowing and body knowledge. Staying in the center is the same thing as non-abidance in the mind. By interacting with the world through the body and its senses rather than through the mind, thought structures involving selfhood are no longer reinforced and are ultimately seen through.
Is self reference the heart of expression? Yes, for most people it is, but it doesn't have to be. When the illusion of selfhood is seen through, the universe continues to express itself without the idea that a self is a motivating factor. This is why we say that all actions are fundamentally empty. We realize that we are oneness doing whatever oneness is doing. This ends all sense of pride because there is no one who can take credit for doing anything. It also ends guilt, blame, shame, and a host of other self-centered thought processes. Everyone is seen to be doing the best that he/she can given whatever the circumstances are.
(Yes, the last I heard Sasaki roshi is still alive. That's one guy I would like to have met in person.)
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Post by ifriend on Jul 17, 2011 22:27:01 GMT -5
Dear Acewall, Well ... this is a forum about Spiritual teachers. Seems many folks on this board want to teach, and preach, quite a bit I may say, but I doubt many, if any, of them have made the sacrifices that all true spiritual teachers make when they take on true followers, with all the problems, egos, and karmas of their students. Believe me when I tell you, it is very easy to sit back and type cliches and intellectualisms, without any personal responsibility for the people you are writing too, and often without any direct knowledge of what you speak of. It is fun, for sure. But it doesn't do any good for anyone or for the world. I promote Maitreya because I have known him for 24 years, because he is a True Teacher and Mercy from God, and because he has been in Perfect Final Union with God twice, and sacrificed it twice, to come back here and try to help this miserable suffering world and the souls within it. Personally. Directly. And caused himself considerable pain and suffering in the process. It is also very easy to judge other people, and be an armchair philosopher. It is more difficult to follow a real, living spiritual teacher and watch that teacher suffer for his Compassion for people who often rarely return the favor. Remember Judas? Even far more difficult to be that Teacher. Believe me. I know. So here is another shameless plug for Maitreya - watch this and I think you will come to get an idea of the kind of man and the kind of Teacher that Maitreya is. Or don't. It's up to you. youtu.be/ZuZM-y09pcMGood morning Acewall - or Good afternoon now. The answer is Yes. and Yes. Ila now that you are YOU are you free to go off into the world as yourself without adverising a teacher along the way? Forgive me if i sound brash, but I see lots of buddists and christians that have become captivated by the net of promises and remain attached to the teachings, inlieu of realising those same teachings which will set us free of seduction, should we unravel their mysteriousness. No Offence intended. |
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Post by ifriend on Jul 17, 2011 22:34:52 GMT -5
Sharon - well, this is a board about Spiritual Teachers afterall. And I wonder how many of the folks that seem to have a lot of advice for other people, have taken on the burden and responsibility that any true Spiritual Teacher does, of the people they are writing to. A true spiritual teacher actually takes on the karmas of their students. Believe me, I know. I have witnessed the pain and suffering that Maitreya has gone through for 24 years out of his tremendous compassion for real, live people, who rarely return the favor. Real love isn't sitting around posting intellectualisms on bulletin boards. And real spiritual teachers rarely have the time to sit around and be armchair philosophers telling other people how they should act and believe. Real teachers are much too busy caring for real people and doing real things in the world to alleviate the suffering of others, most often at the expense of their own happiness. So I spend my time introducing people to Maitreya. You don't want him, no sweat, he's only here for those folks who do want a true Spiritual Teacher and for those who are willing to follow someone other than their own self.
Old Teddy Roosevelt said it well:
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”
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Post by enigma on Jul 17, 2011 22:54:56 GMT -5
ifriend, I have to assume your judgment of the folks on this forum is a reflection of your teacher's approach to those outside of his religion?
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Post by acewall on Jul 17, 2011 23:05:44 GMT -5
Dear Acewall, Well ... this is a forum about Spiritual teachers. Seems many folks on this board want to teach, and preach, quite a bit I may say, but I doubt many, if any, of them have made the sacrifices that all true spiritual teachers make when they take on true followers, with all the problems, egos, and karmas of their students. Believe me when I tell you, it is very easy to sit back and type cliches and intellectualisms, without any personal responsibility for the people you are writing too, and often without any direct knowledge of what you speak of. It is fun, for sure. But it doesn't do any good for anyone or for the world. I promote Maitreya because I have known him for 24 years, because he is a True Teacher and Mercy from God, and because he has been in Perfect Final Union with God twice, and sacrificed it twice, to come back here and try to help this miserable suffering world and the souls within it. Personally. Directly. And caused himself considerable pain and suffering in the process. It is also very easy to judge other people, and be an armchair philosopher. It is more difficult to follow a real, living spiritual teacher and watch that teacher suffer for his Compassion for people who often rarely return the favor. Remember Judas? Even far more difficult to be that Teacher. Believe me. I know. So here is another shameless plug for Maitreya - watch this and I think you will come to get an idea of the kind of man and the kind of Teacher that Maitreya is. Or don't. It's up to you. youtu.be/ZuZM-y09pcMnow that you are YOU are you free to go off into the world as yourself without adverising a teacher along the way? Forgive me if i sound brash, but I see lots of buddists and christians that have become captivated by the net of promises and remain attached to the teachings, inlieu of realising those same teachings which will set us free of seduction, should we unravel their mysteriousness. No Offence intended. appreciated your taking the time to text-me the above post, (which i enjoyed) and i can see that you're happily entwinned doing what you see as good for Maitreya and the World as well as yourself, as you make your way clear of the dross we all find our-minds attached-to. I think it best to speak-out about 'how our teachers' have helped us conciously close the gap between mind and heart. Perhaps you have already done this here; I am new to this forum. |
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Post by acewall on Jul 17, 2011 23:06:38 GMT -5
May i ask what that karma point is,
that has appeared in my Box of tricks?
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Post by heretic on Jul 18, 2011 4:57:18 GMT -5
May i ask what that karma point is, that has appeared in my Box of tricks? Hi acewall Posters give karma points to other posters for posts which are appreciated. Which is what the :exalt: thingy is for. I believe the :smite: function is for taking karma points away. On the home page of the discussion board there is a topic titled- Board Business. There you will find a thread titled, "Abuse of the Karma System." I guess some people have gone overboard with the exalt-smite-karma system thing. spiritualteachers.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=business&action=display&thread=1203&page=1All in all it means someone is acknowledging in a quiet manner something you've posted. |
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Post by acewall on Jul 18, 2011 7:00:59 GMT -5
May i ask what that karma point is, that has appeared in my Box of tricks? Hi acewall Posters give karma points to other posters for posts which are appreciated. Which is what the :exalt: thingy is for. I believe the :smite: function is for taking karma points away. On the home page of the discussion board there is a topic titled- Board Business. There you will find a thread titled, "Abuse of the Karma System." I guess some people have gone overboard with the exalt-smite-karma system thing. spiritualteachers.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=business&action=display&thread=1203&page=1All in all it means someone is acknowledging in a quiet manner something you've posted. ;)thanks heretic, gottcha! Does one need Karma-pts to beguin this giving and taking and making the other miserable or proud?  |
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Post by heretic on Jul 18, 2011 7:31:30 GMT -5
Hi acewall Posters give karma points to other posters for posts which are appreciated. Which is what the :exalt: thingy is for. I believe the :smite: function is for taking karma points away. On the home page of the discussion board there is a topic titled- Board Business. There you will find a thread titled, "Abuse of the Karma System." I guess some people have gone overboard with the exalt-smite-karma system thing. spiritualteachers.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=business&action=display&thread=1203&page=1All in all it means someone is acknowledging in a quiet manner something you've posted. ;)thanks heretic, gottcha! Does one need Karma-pts to beguin this giving and taking and making the other miserable or proud? Hi acewall Probably not. I remember the first time I saw a karma point appear. It was just there. Looking back at me. Of course, then the thought process started wondering what the hell I did to receive one. Then, I quickly dismissed that, too, and decided when an electron vibrates, the universe shakes, and the karma points fall from wherever they are. Then again, it could just be the witness turning a formless swirl of photons into karma points... |
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