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May 10, 2011 17:07:02 GMT -5
Post by teetown on May 10, 2011 17:07:02 GMT -5
I believe I can alter somebody's energy anywhere on the planet with a thought, and so in my experience I can. What??? Enigma, you've been holding out. All this time you've been talking about how I can get enlightened, when you can do it for me just by wiggling your nose like on Bewitched?
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May 10, 2011 17:12:12 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 10, 2011 17:12:12 GMT -5
Just don't jump off of a tall building. Maybe test that belief on something smaller. Haha, yes, even Enigma suggested people should try taking off instead of jumping off. ;D ;D Maybe jump off your porch and flap your arms for a few months until you get the hang of it, and pay no attention to what the neighbors say. Hehe.
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May 10, 2011 17:16:23 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 10, 2011 17:16:23 GMT -5
Gypsywind and Ivory: My post was meant as an example that believing something to be true doesn't make it necessarily so. Well, we would have to define what believing really is. There are lots of folks who 'believe' we are one, but they don't really believe that at all. They just like the idea and accepted it as a concept without questioning it, meanwhile believing wholeheartedly in separation.
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May 10, 2011 17:17:33 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 10, 2011 17:17:33 GMT -5
A TV crew in Boston actually got the yogic flyers on camera. I've often wondered if it has been posted on youtube. Interesting. That would keep people busy for a long while, if it were true... You mean if it were believed to be true?
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May 10, 2011 17:36:20 GMT -5
Post by Portto on May 10, 2011 17:36:20 GMT -5
What if the thought "I can fly" is believed? Can you really believe it? (Don't try it until you can. Hehe.) There are folks (I believe) who believe they don't have to eat, and they don't (Bretharians) There are some who (I believe) believe they can float in the air, and so they can. There are those who believe (I believe) that they can throw somebody across the room with energy, and so they can. I believe I can alter somebody's energy anywhere on the planet with a thought, and so in my experience I can. I can eat pretty much anything I want these days and not gain weight because I've come to believe that the body can throw off what it doesn't need, and so it does. These things are accomplished by continually pushing the boundaries of what seems possible until it is believed that it's possible through our experience of it. It's not always spiritually correct to say in a nondual context that all things are possible, but in fact there are no boundaries anywhere. It's a dream. The boundaries are imagined, and it's those boundaries that define the borders of our lives. That's certainly very interesting. Currently, I can do those things only in the nightly dreams, and only from time to time. I haven't seen anyone able to do such things while awake. Since I can't control my thoughts and my beliefs, the universe only knows when and if I'll be able to do those things. The boundaries are imagined, but not by this body...
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May 10, 2011 17:38:24 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 10, 2011 17:38:24 GMT -5
I think the neighbors are laughing at the 'flying yogis'. How bout this?
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May 10, 2011 17:39:11 GMT -5
Post by Portto on May 10, 2011 17:39:11 GMT -5
That was so much fun. Those guys must have some crazy muscles. I'm wondering what the practical application of such a thing would be.
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May 10, 2011 17:43:48 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 10, 2011 17:43:48 GMT -5
I believe I can alter somebody's energy anywhere on the planet with a thought, and so in my experience I can. What??? Enigma, you've been holding out. All this time you've been talking about how I can get enlightened, when you can do it for me just by wiggling your nose like on Bewitched? HA! That I DON'T believe I can do, so I can't. Hehe.
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May 10, 2011 17:47:56 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 10, 2011 17:47:56 GMT -5
"I still don't think that mind, body, and spirit feeling separate when they are not has anything to do with a thought being believed. It's more like a lack of awareness." They seem separate because you had the idea that they are separate, and you believed that idea. Ever since then, it all SEEMS separate in spite of the idea that it is not, which is NOT believed. Actually, I was simply adding to the previous posts like, "where does the body begin, etc..... (Knew I shoulda put a smiley face on that post) I don't 'believe' the smiley would have changed what you said. Hehe.
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May 10, 2011 17:49:50 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 10, 2011 17:49:50 GMT -5
Well, we would have to define what believing really is. There are lots of folks who 'believe' we are one, but they don't really believe that at all. They just like the idea and accepted it as a concept without questioning it, meanwhile believing wholeheartedly in separation. I lost that separation thang in a hospice situation as the primary care giver a few years ago. Believe me when I say this. We ARE One. Thank you, Natchiketas. Belief is a funny thang.
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May 10, 2011 17:55:29 GMT -5
Post by Portto on May 10, 2011 17:55:29 GMT -5
Interesting. That would keep people busy for a long while, if it were true... You mean if it were believed to be true? Either one!
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May 10, 2011 18:44:16 GMT -5
Post by Portto on May 10, 2011 18:44:16 GMT -5
HA! That I DON'T believe I can do, so I can't. Hehe. Well, do you believe you can influence the energy flow for our friend here "waddicalwabbit" ?
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May 10, 2011 20:32:32 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 10, 2011 20:32:32 GMT -5
Can you really believe it? (Don't try it until you can. Hehe.) There are folks (I believe) who believe they don't have to eat, and they don't (Bretharians) There are some who (I believe) believe they can float in the air, and so they can. There are those who believe (I believe) that they can throw somebody across the room with energy, and so they can. I believe I can alter somebody's energy anywhere on the planet with a thought, and so in my experience I can. I can eat pretty much anything I want these days and not gain weight because I've come to believe that the body can throw off what it doesn't need, and so it does. These things are accomplished by continually pushing the boundaries of what seems possible until it is believed that it's possible through our experience of it. It's not always spiritually correct to say in a nondual context that all things are possible, but in fact there are no boundaries anywhere. It's a dream. The boundaries are imagined, and it's those boundaries that define the borders of our lives. That's certainly very interesting. Currently, I can do those things only in the nightly dreams, and only from time to time. I haven't seen anyone able to do such things while awake. Since I can't control my thoughts and my beliefs, the universe only knows when and if I'll be able to do those things. The boundaries are imagined, but not by this body... That's fine cause you're not that body anyhoo. Hehe. You're that "universe that only knows". HA! Marie and I just got back from our squirrel satsang in the park, and we were talking about this. As I think you know, Marie has a hearing deficit and mostly reads lips at close range. We were talking about how all boundaries, such as physical problems, are formed by mind and expressed in the body and held in place with belief, so the process of 'healing' isn't directly about manipulating the expression (fixing the body) but about transcending the beliefs that hold it in place. However healing might take place is still an expression of belief. She had some clarity show up a couple of times with the big eyes and gaping mouth expression that I love so much, then I walked away to go feed the squirrels. At some point I said something to myself (because she couldn't possibly hear me from 20 feet away).......but she did. Word for word, clear as a bell. This time we were both standing with our mouths hanging open. Hehe.
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May 10, 2011 20:38:55 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 10, 2011 20:38:55 GMT -5
HA! That I DON'T believe I can do, so I can't. Hehe. Well, do you believe you can influence the energy flow for our friend here "waddicalwabbit" ? I believe 'I' already have, but healing isn't about moving energy around. It's about learning to die to ourselves, and maybe we can agree that our wabbit friend is an excellent student.
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May 10, 2011 20:53:19 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 10, 2011 20:53:19 GMT -5
I don't want to re-start any silly discussions about karma points, and the fact that they don't matter has been demonstrated here, but it's hard to not see something a bit 'icky' about an anonymous vendetta to remove them. The other end of the duality stick is the quiet restoration of those points by equally anonymous posters, a bit like calmly picking up the items after an earthquake and putting them carefully back on the shelf. Classy, guys.......very classy.
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