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May 20, 2011 0:36:19 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 20, 2011 0:36:19 GMT -5
I'm sure you know what that emptiness looks like to mind, and it ain't pretty Hmmm... not sure. There were a couple times where the mind was so silent I had forgotten that I existed. There seemed to be an awareness of being, but I had no knowledge of who or what I was. The mind kind of tripped out when it realized it had slipped like that. No flying pigs. But yesterday I did think about smiling dogs for a minute or so before I thought... WTF?!! There has to be a willingness to be empty, and before that can even happen, we have to notice how full we are of nonsense. At the very least, the quality of the thoughts will improve, and then mind starts cooperating with the clearing process rather than fighting it. (I know you're already 'there', just sayin) Well, smiling dogs certainly are nonsense, and I do realize that, so I must be well on my way. Maybe you were thinkin about Edie?? She's got a pretty good spiritual practice there.
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May 20, 2011 1:17:22 GMT -5
Post by zendancer on May 20, 2011 1:17:22 GMT -5
E: I had always liked that piece, but had never paid attention to the lyrics before. Very cool!
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May 20, 2011 15:03:14 GMT -5
Post by ivory on May 20, 2011 15:03:14 GMT -5
Maybe you were thinkin about Edie?? No, I wasn't. But maybe I should, she's hot!
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May 25, 2011 1:59:58 GMT -5
Post by onehandclapping on May 25, 2011 1:59:58 GMT -5
You guys who are living completely "in the moment" - are you always completely aware that you're sitting in a cinema? Doesn't that ruin the movie going experience? Or is it horses for courses and you choose to put your awareness where it's wanted and become fully absorbed in the story? First off everyone on here is living completely in the moment because there is nothing else but This. I assume you implied that moving forward with my comment. . It's not the concept of aware that is felt (also not the conceptual felt either) but it's like an awareness of a feeling (that is always there) of watching the movie. And even though I say it's like watching, it is in description, but not in the moment of happening. Since there is no one there to watch, no watcher, one can only use words to describe the non-experience, experience of IT happening. Make sense? So even if one gets swept away in the movie, there is an underlying (feeling, awareness,knowing,sense, whatever word you want to use here) of IT always present. And with ITs presence there, all the time, one is not able to get, using Enigmas metaphor, deep in the river ever again. Simplfied, IT always sees its self even when the mind is busy out front. Clear as mud??? The picture can never be ruined by this awareness. In fact it actually enhances the picture because your able to "see" it with greater clarity. All of a sudden that street you drive everyday to work is bustling with life like it was being seen for the first time. Kind of makes every scene exciting! Anyone further back in the audience wanna chime in here?
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May 25, 2011 9:27:15 GMT -5
Post by therealfake on May 25, 2011 9:27:15 GMT -5
Then there is the further question of what is the relationship of thinking to reality. As careful attention shows, thought itself is in an actual process of movement. That is to say, one can feel a sense of flow in the stream of consciousness not dissimilar to the sense of flow in the movement of matter in general. May not thought itself thus be a part of reality as a whole? But then, what could it mean for one part of reality to 'know' another, and to what extent would this be possible? (David Bohm, Wholeness and The Implicate Order, 1980)
Regarding the mind, there is no place where mind can be located. Evidently mind is not static thing, but a moving phenomenon. It is therefore, in reality, the process of consciousness arisen between sense organs and objects. (DHAMMA - The Noble Doctrine of The Buddha - Sayadaw Bhaddanta Pañña Dipa)
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May 25, 2011 12:25:04 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 25, 2011 12:25:04 GMT -5
So even if one gets swept away in the movie, there is an underlying (feeling, awareness,knowing,sense, whatever word you want to use here) of IT always present. And with ITs presence there, all the time, one is not able to get, using Enigmas metaphor, deep in the river ever again. The picture can never be ruined by this awareness. In fact it actually enhances the picture because your able to "see" it with greater clarity. All of a sudden that street you drive everyday to work is bustling with life like it was being seen for the first time. Kind of makes every scene exciting! Anyone further back in the audience wanna chime in here? I agree, and it occurs to me that if Peter's question is taken literally rather than metaphorically, it's true that the movie is ruined, and least for this movie-goer. I rarely watch TV and haven't been to a movie theater in decades. The full enjoyment of a movie requires that we put ourselves into a kind of trance state not unlike falling into the river of thought, and for me the attempt to do this is effortful. I can't, for example, viscerally jump in reaction to the serial killer suddenly jumping out at me or find myself rooting for Cap'n Kirk in his desperate struggle to defeat the Gorn. I simply can't get past the screen so as to get inside the movie. I've noticed something interesting, though, which shows where my interest goes go instead of into the screen. When Marie and I are sitting together, and the scene we're watching gets all dramatic, while I'm trying to concentrate so as to 'get into' the movie, Marie is busy trying to get out of the movie. Hehe. IOW, she starts talking to me or getting 'frisky' or otherwise distracting herself at the precise moment that I'm trying to pretend what I'm watching is more than a light show on a screen. She's trying to decrease her involvement while I'm trying to increase mine, which at that point becomes utterly futile. Hehe. However, there can be an involvement with certain 'real life' situations portrayed on TV. The simple humility and innocence of the country boy with a remarkable singing voice who loves what he does and just wants to do it touches something deeply beautiful in the human expression. The man who would rather sacrifice his financial well being so that he can work with the neighborhood kids and make a difference in their lives because he simply can't walk away from them, is equally beautiful.
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May 27, 2011 14:38:27 GMT -5
Post by onehandclapping on May 27, 2011 14:38:27 GMT -5
However, there can be an involvement with certain 'real life' situations portrayed on TV. The simple humility and innocence of the country boy with a remarkable singing voice who loves what he does and just wants to do it touches something deeply beautiful in the human expression. The man who would rather sacrifice his financial well being so that he can work with the neighborhood kids and make a difference in their lives because he simply can't walk away from them, is equally beautiful. The life cycle of those cicadas that I talked about in a post a while back as well. They come up out of the ground, buzz around people's heads, generate a loud noise as they seek a mate, annoy a ton of people thinking they shouldn't be so loud, then die and leave their decomposing bodies laying around everywhere on the ground. Deeply beautiful. And no, I'm not joking.
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May 27, 2011 17:05:43 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 27, 2011 17:05:43 GMT -5
It's life lifeing!
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