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May 9, 2011 8:05:13 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 8:05:13 GMT -5
what does Adyashanti's "enlightenment happens from the neck down" mean?
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May 9, 2011 8:15:05 GMT -5
Post by Peter on May 9, 2011 8:15:05 GMT -5
My take on that was that you can't "think your way" to Enlightenment. You need to be grounded and present in your body. I'm not sure where that puts meditation then; presumably as an activity it can be either purely cerebral or grounded also?
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May 9, 2011 13:51:42 GMT -5
Post by lilithz on May 9, 2011 13:51:42 GMT -5
the minute you say I have you haven't is when you make people feel they haven't got. Or look at it tyhis way--if you feel you aint got then that is how you feel. You look at nature and think 'ohhhhh, i WISH i was enlightened,. I just haven't got it' So I suggest to not bother at ALL with the whole spiritual teacher/guru trip
Rather understand that your ordinary way of being IS sacred. This doesn't mean you cannot have deeper states, like sex, other deep experiences, including psychedelic experience of course. But ALL of consciousness. ALL of it is sacred. But like said when you THINK you aint got some way of being in that instant that is how you FEEL. Feel me?
Say some guru makes out he has got something you haven't?
Say your feeling sad, and some spiritual leader, or religious belief, or secular belief says that how you feel is not good, how do you feel?
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May 9, 2011 14:23:10 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 9, 2011 14:23:10 GMT -5
Well, yeah, the idea that something is missing is a very creative thought that is self confirming. What if the thought isn't true until you believe it?
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May 9, 2011 18:07:51 GMT -5
Post by onehandclapping on May 9, 2011 18:07:51 GMT -5
My take on that was that you can't "think your way" to Enlightenment. You need to be grounded and present in your body. I'm not sure where that puts meditation then; presumably as an activity it can be either purely cerebral or grounded also? P What defines your body??
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May 10, 2011 1:26:16 GMT -5
Post by Peter on May 10, 2011 1:26:16 GMT -5
My take on that was that you can't "think your way" to Enlightenment. You need to be grounded and present in your body. I'm not sure where that puts meditation then; presumably as an activity it can be either purely cerebral or grounded also?P What defines your body?? If you stick a pin in it and it hurts you, then it's your body. What definition have you been working with up until now?
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May 10, 2011 2:01:56 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 10, 2011 2:01:56 GMT -5
So, what if somebody else yells?.......Oh, wait......I think i get it now.
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May 10, 2011 3:56:28 GMT -5
Post by onehandclapping on May 10, 2011 3:56:28 GMT -5
So is my hair apart of my body? I stuck a pin in and didn't feel anything. And even then the bigger question remains, what defines your body? How can I tell where my body ends and world begins? I gotta make sure I get this locked down so I can get grounded in it. Wouldn't want to be fooled by the mind into thinking I'm grounded in the body just to find out I've laid roots down in the mind again!!
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May 10, 2011 6:26:37 GMT -5
Post by skyblue on May 10, 2011 6:26:37 GMT -5
what does Adyashanti's "enlightenment happens from the neck down" mean? In a video at youtube.com I heard Adyashanti say, "you will never find enlightenment through the mind" so I agree with Max's reply to you. I suppose the mind is just a factory for thoughts and we won't get there by thinking.
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May 10, 2011 8:13:02 GMT -5
Post by mamza on May 10, 2011 8:13:02 GMT -5
So what I'm getting here is that I should ATA for as long as I can until attention quietly slips away in bed. When it slips away, I should just let it do so instead of trying to direct it toward any particular thing until sleep sets in.
During the day just ATA as much as possible.
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May 10, 2011 10:18:21 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 10, 2011 10:18:21 GMT -5
Well, yeah, the idea that something is missing is a very creative thought that is self confirming. What if the thought isn't true until you believe it? enigma Just wanted you to know this question allowed my golf swing to feel effortless last night. I sense it's because I wasn't thinking about the golf swing. ;D Cool! Because the thought is believed. Hehe.
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May 10, 2011 10:24:13 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 10, 2011 10:24:13 GMT -5
Liberated people still think. They don't necessarily give up the relative world in liberation. They simply overcome the identity crisis. They no longer identify with change. They no longer believe their thoughts to be true, which can't actually be a conclusion derived from thought.
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May 10, 2011 10:52:58 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 10, 2011 10:52:58 GMT -5
So what I'm getting here is that I should ATA for as long as I can until attention quietly slips away in bed. When it slips away, I should just let it do so instead of trying to direct it toward any particular thing until sleep sets in. During the day just ATA as much as possible. ATA is ZD's way of talking about it. I sometimes say notice everything, which to me is the same. You can be the one who notices thought and allows it to move as it will, or you can get caught in the thought stream and moved along with it. The latter is the falling into unconsciousness, which doesn't really mean going unconscious as in sleep, but rather losing conscious awareness that there is a field outside of thought and you're standing in that field rather than flowing downstream with the thoughts. When sleep approaches, this conscious awareness is fading because you are literally going unconscious, and so you 'unconsciously' get drawn into this thought stream. You are, however, aware that this is happening or you wouldn't be able to talk about it, so apparently you are still standing in the field watching yourself get swept down the river. Hehe.
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May 10, 2011 11:12:36 GMT -5
Post by therealfake on May 10, 2011 11:12:36 GMT -5
Liberated people still think. They don't necessarily give up the relative world in liberation. They simply overcome the identity crisis. They no longer identify with change. They no longer believe their thoughts to be true, which can't actually be a conclusion derived from thought. And that includes the 'thought', that you are going to grow old, get sick and die... There are two minds that are at work here, but they are both the same mind... One sees the world of illusion, that being the mind of the ego. The other sees truth, that being the mind of God, or the Eternal, or Nothingness, or Emptiness... Funny thing is, your at point zero consciousness to use either mind, only one brings peace while the other brings suffering...
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May 10, 2011 12:33:30 GMT -5
Post by mamza on May 10, 2011 12:33:30 GMT -5
So what I'm getting here is that I should ATA for as long as I can until attention quietly slips away in bed. When it slips away, I should just let it do so instead of trying to direct it toward any particular thing until sleep sets in. During the day just ATA as much as possible. ATA is ZD's way of talking about it. I sometimes say notice everything, which to me is the same. You can be the one who notices thought and allows it to move as it will, or you can get caught in the thought stream and moved along with it. The latter is the falling into unconsciousness, which doesn't really mean going unconscious as in sleep, but rather losing conscious awareness that there is a field outside of thought and you're standing in that field rather than flowing downstream with the thoughts. When sleep approaches, this conscious awareness is fading because you are literally going unconscious, and so you 'unconsciously' get drawn into this thought stream. You are, however, aware that this is happening or you wouldn't be able to talk about it, so apparently you are still standing in the field watching yourself get swept down the river. Hehe. So then the plan is to ATA / notice everything until completely unconscious, right? Or that's what's already happening and I'm making it into something else?
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