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Post by therealfake on Mar 26, 2011 10:04:34 GMT -5
Yes, possibly, but it's still too nebulous for my taste. How would a step-by-step narrative look like that shows how fear motivates someone to do harm to someone of whom the criminal has nothing whatsoever to fear? Well, let's say a guy rapes a stranger because it makes him feel powerful and in control. After all, it's the complete domination of another against her will, and will have a powerful impact on the rest of her life. The need for control comes from a feeling of powerlessness, right? Powerlessness is grounded in fear. If one isn't afraid of feeling powerless, there's no problem with it. Of course, there can be other scenarios, like a hatred for women. Hatred of anything has fear at it's root. Judgment of women has fear at it's root. Feeling betrayed by women comes from anger, which has fear at it's root. It's not really that complicated... All fear, guilt, powerlessness, pain, wrong doing and mental suffering, are derived from one single transformational event. That being, the realization that you were separate from the world. When I look directly from the field of now, the false thought of separateness and the resulting suffering are 'one' in the same, 'not' a cause and affect. The innate act of the human being to seek that which is already internalized, their inner knowing of wholeness, takes a directional mis-step, when sought in the external world. The false realization of separateness, is the only idea, that needs to be corrected, the direct result of which would be an end to all fear, guilt, powerlessness, pain, wrong doing and mental suffering. And of course transgression against our brothers and sisters...
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Post by enigma on Mar 26, 2011 11:01:49 GMT -5
So what did you mean by 'fear arises from action'? What sort of action are you talking bout? Fear arises as an interpretation of what is happening. We might interpret hair standing on end as fear, but it's just hair on its end. Oh, okay, so fear arises from interpretation. Yes.
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Post by therealfake on Mar 26, 2011 12:19:23 GMT -5
Fear arises as an interpretation of what is happening. We might interpret hair standing on end as fear, but it's just hair on its end. Oh, okay, so fear arises from interpretation. Yes. I don't see it manifesting that way at all... Fear 'is' what's happening, it arises first, then comes the interpretation.... Nothing precipitates fear, just like nothing precipitates the thousands of thoughts and feelings that arise in the now each day. We think that the fear must be about a me, a self that is separate from everything else. Fear comes and fear goes, making it personal and into an interpretation is what the human being does that has forgotten ones wholeness with the universe.
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Post by michaelsees on Mar 26, 2011 13:19:24 GMT -5
Nothing precipitates fear, just like nothing precipitates the thousands of thoughts and feelings that arise in the now each day. We think that the fear must be about a me, a self that is separate from everything else. Fear comes and fear goes, making it personal and into an interpretation is what the human being does that has forgotten ones wholeness with the universe. Totally agree with you. Everyone has fear even E . He has it that I may post something he will feel great need to answer but will not hehe TRF your posts are becoming more and more insightful Nice to read Michael
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Post by question on Mar 26, 2011 15:55:01 GMT -5
Yes, possibly, but it's still too nebulous for my taste. How would a step-by-step narrative look like that shows how fear motivates someone to do harm to someone of whom the criminal has nothing whatsoever to fear? Well, let's say a guy rapes a stranger because it makes him feel powerful and in control. After all, it's the complete domination of another against her will, and will have a powerful impact on the rest of her life. The need for control comes from a feeling of powerlessness, right? Powerlessness is grounded in fear. If one isn't afraid of feeling powerless, there's no problem with it. Of course, there can be other scenarios, like a hatred for women. Hatred of anything has fear at it's root. Judgment of women has fear at it's root. Feeling betrayed by women comes from anger, which has fear at it's root. That's a primer that I can work with. Thank you.
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Post by enigma on Mar 26, 2011 18:52:54 GMT -5
Oh, okay, so fear arises from interpretation. Yes. I don't see it manifesting that way at all... Fear 'is' what's happening, it arises first, then comes the interpretation.... Nothing precipitates fear, just like nothing precipitates the thousands of thoughts and feelings that arise in the now each day. We think that the fear must be about a me, a self that is separate from everything else. Fear comes and fear goes, making it personal and into an interpretation is what the human being does that has forgotten ones wholeness with the universe. I'm in perfect disagreement with that. Hehe. Perhaps from a place of unconsciousness, fear seems to show up out of nowhere and then mind goes looking for the reason, but the reason is already operating at an unconscious level. This kind of fear is usually referred to as anxiety because the one experiencing it can't identify the reason or reasons for it. On the other end of the scale is something like a life threatening situation, or even the thought of one, wherein the reason for the fear is obvious. All fear is ultimately a result of the identification with the separate body/mind, which brings a sense of lack, need, vulnerability, a need to be vigilant, defensive, in control, etc. The "thousands of thoughts and feelings that arise in the now each day" all have their origins in the conditioning of mind. They don't just mysteriously or randomly occur. In the largest context, this conditioning is determined by the totality of Consciousness. What is meant by 'it's what's happening' is not that there is no connection between thought or experiences, and feelings, but that all of it is just happening as it does without an actual mediator. Fear is personal by nature, and mostly arises as a personal interpretation of that which is impersonal. Fear is the result of this false interpretation.
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Post by michaelsees on Mar 26, 2011 19:36:12 GMT -5
Thoughts are all there just depends which ones you wish to catch, there is nothing personal about them like the 640,000 that go by you every day those are the ones you don't catch so I disagree they are all out there a good few for everyone each day .
Michael
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Post by K Grey on Mar 27, 2011 17:41:47 GMT -5
""evil" is pretty much involuntary ignorance." That has a nice ring to it, though it would also then imply that either:
A. "Good" is pretty much voluntary ignorance (fundamentalism).
B. "Good" is pretty much involuntary knowledge or wisdom (mysticism).
C. A varying blend of A & B (most religions as practiced).
D. None of the above (Nirvana/emptiness/void).
E. All of the above (Samsara/Manifestation/Duality's last stand).
F. All of the above as empty conceptualizations (Truth Realization/Unity).
G. Same as E, but freed of attachment to any of that thinking (Liberation from False-self).
H. Good heartfelt laughter over it all, with a dash of compassionate sadness (Enlightenment).
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1. You are not the owner of "your" life nor the experiences therein which comprise it.
2. No one else, no external power, is the owner or creator of "your" life.
3. If you have never received, lost, or otherwise found yourself without a copy of your Owner's Manual, this is due to the lack of any issuer or receiver.
4. Pursuant to items 1, 2 & 3, there will be no Owner's Manuals available, ever.
5. If you have any questions about the operation of your life, or other apparent arisings within Reality, please refer to your Owner's Manual.
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Post by michaelsees on Mar 27, 2011 18:01:36 GMT -5
You use lots of words like a RT member would? Way too much intellect stuff for me but whatever. I gave up reading manuals a long time ago.
Cheers Michael
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Post by mamza on Mar 27, 2011 21:06:04 GMT -5
Hah, I like that one, K Grey.
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Post by karen on Mar 28, 2011 10:50:35 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, pedophiles are certainly afraid - afraid of peers, and they exploit the perceived power differential between themselves and their victims. This isn't conscious of course. Ever hear a pedophile rationalize - they are the epitome of peeps in denial. Why not simply visit a brothel? A similar power differential can be bought there. I doubt that. In fact, I can't even imagine how.
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Post by enigma on Mar 28, 2011 13:20:52 GMT -5
Yeah, "buying the differential" kinda levels the playing field. Given the nature of the 'product', if anything it's a seller's market.
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Post by alpha on Mar 28, 2011 15:47:26 GMT -5
""evil" is pretty much involuntary ignorance." That has a nice ring to it, though it would also then imply that either: A. "Good" is pretty much voluntary ignorance (fundamentalism). B. "Good" is pretty much involuntary knowledge or wisdom (mysticism). C. A varying blend of A & B (most religions as practiced). D. None of the above (Nirvana/emptiness/void). E. All of the above (Samsara/Manifestation/Duality's last stand). F. All of the above as empty conceptualizations (Truth Realization/Unity). G. Same as E, but freed of attachment to any of that thinking (Liberation from False-self). H. Good heartfelt laughter over it all, with a dash of compassionate sadness (Enlightenment). Disclaimer: All implied/applied options, terminology, definitions, and other manifestations are subject to change. Please refer to owners manual. If you have misplaced yours, a copy follows: Owner's Manual 1. You are not the owner of "your" life nor the experiences therein which comprise it. 2. No one else, no external power, is the owner or creator of "your" life. 3. If you have never received, lost, or otherwise found yourself without a copy of your Owner's Manual, this is due to the lack of any issuer or receiver. 4. Pursuant to items 1, 2 & 3, there will be no Owner's Manuals available, ever. 5. If you have any questions about the operation of your life, or other apparent arisings within Reality, please refer to your Owner's Manual. I am lost and have gone to find myself. If I should return before I get back, please ask me to wait.
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Post by enigma on Mar 28, 2011 16:23:06 GMT -5
Cool. We'll be here carrying out our plan for your murder while you're gone. Hehe.
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