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Post by michaelsees on Mar 6, 2011 18:47:37 GMT -5
The value of your own "spiritual" experiences vs reading words on a "spiritual" forum?
It's not a trick question, I am curious on how members view experiences that are shared vs answers that are simply more mental concepts.
A example is this concept of no person self. I very much doubt that many here if hit with the experience of no person self would actually view the experience as one of no personal self. This is why I feel it's quite important to share experiences and not get caught up with so many words trying to describe what only the experiencer knows.
Michael
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Post by 2p0p on Mar 6, 2011 20:01:23 GMT -5
at times i sense some kind of light although i couldn't really call it light or dark for that matter more like maybe antimatter and neither light nor dark no connotations of bliss or hiss just big not nothing but big big enough to swamp all fears so that even the sun is snuffed close enough to touch and to be touched soft enough to soothe perspective is easy then relativism is relegated then no spiritual position is needed then dualism/non dualism is irrelevant then
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Post by michaelsees on Mar 6, 2011 20:17:54 GMT -5
Come gather ’round people Wherever you roam And admit that the waters Around you have grown. And accept it that soon You’ll be drenched to the bone. If your time to you is worth savin’ Then you better start swimmin’ or you’ll sink like a stone For the times they are a-changin’.
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Post by 2p0p on Mar 6, 2011 20:43:30 GMT -5
You were asking about spiritual experiences...but now you are defending YOUR belief system...what gives ?.
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Post by enigma on Mar 6, 2011 21:12:46 GMT -5
What does the one who has a spiritual experience know from that experience? Is the experience of separation a false experience and the experience of oneness a true experience? If so, how do you know? Where eggzakly is the true/false dividing line between experiences?
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Post by 2p0p on Mar 6, 2011 21:21:38 GMT -5
For me it's not about knowing...it's more about being; i've lived in my head most of my life ;the experience i tried to relate in my initial post was the experience of all of the frameworks falling away.
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Post by enigma on Mar 6, 2011 21:33:53 GMT -5
Yes, stuff falls away. That's more to the point than 'spiritual experiences'.
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Post by 2p0p on Mar 6, 2011 21:41:46 GMT -5
Perhaps (for some) stuff falls away because of spiritual experiences rather than through knowledge.
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Post by michaelsees on Mar 6, 2011 22:09:34 GMT -5
You were asking about spiritual experiences...but now you are defending YOUR belief system...what gives ?. I am not defending one over the other. I am only showing how certain folks react here when they are called upon. Michael
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Post by enigma on Mar 6, 2011 22:13:18 GMT -5
Mayhaps.
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Post by michaelsees on Mar 6, 2011 22:16:56 GMT -5
What does the one who has a spiritual experience know from that experience? Is the experience of separation a false experience and the experience of oneness a true experience? If so, how do you know? Where eggzakly is the true/false dividing line between experiences? Who knows but it has more value than just listening to words that are muttered. Without experience you have nothing Enigma. Until you embody the truth of who you are you have nothing but words. Now I am not against words but they are the most limited of all. Experience is the teacher of all things and is beyond words thank god. ZD knows this fact he speaks very clearly of this in his book after 13 years he got it, as you should if indeed you seen the truth after sitting in the garden for so long. I promote everyone to share what is going on now for them not what you think is or I think is or whoever it's not about that. Michael
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Post by michaelsees on Mar 6, 2011 22:21:00 GMT -5
For me it's not about knowing...it's more about being; i've lived in my head most of my life ;the experience i tried to relate in my initial post was the experience of all of the frameworks falling away. Yes that is a valid spiritual experience. Most of the intellectual framework here on this forum shall fall away into truth and that too is a valid spiritual experience. There really is no such thing as a invalid spiritual experience. Michael
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Post by michaelsees on Mar 6, 2011 22:27:13 GMT -5
Ahh to the post you removed my friend my reply was
It was and I did not dismiss it as such. I like Bob Dylan and when I read your poem those lines popped through my head so I posted them. Nothing personal
Michael
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Post by teknix on Mar 6, 2011 22:30:01 GMT -5
I think trying to intellectualize words that are from far beyond your own experience can be as hazardous as it can be helpful. I want to elaborate more on this matter, and think what you are saying is very important, but I don't have the words to articulate exactly what I want to say right now.
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Post by teknix on Mar 6, 2011 22:33:26 GMT -5
I think that it is for this reason that many of the greatest teachings havent been written down and or sworn to secrecy, to prevent people from misinterpreting them and comming to harm.
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