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Post by astarxy on Jan 30, 2011 5:48:17 GMT -5
Dear friends,
Loving all your words, and the words of Eckhart, Mooji.. everyone who's spiritually helping us...
Myself I have biggest challenge with turning off identifying... Example, i work in the office with most hypocritical person i've ever met. Being with someone like her for so many hours every day, sometimes it gets me, i take it emotionally...
How do i turn off identifying?
thnx*
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Post by sharon on Jan 30, 2011 5:56:55 GMT -5
Don't call her hypocritical.
She's not the most hypocritical person you've ever met ~ I am.
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Post by frankshank on Jan 30, 2011 6:47:23 GMT -5
She's empty. She's on autopilot. There is no her to hate. There is no her to dislike. Laugh to yourself when you start to get wound up. Love her for being exactly how she is - perfect!
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Post by astarxy on Jan 30, 2011 12:02:06 GMT -5
she is empty. as empty as anyone can be.
thank you*
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 30, 2011 12:32:22 GMT -5
Dear friends, Loving all your words, and the words of Eckhart, Mooji.. everyone who's spiritually helping us... Myself I have biggest challenge with turning off identifying... Example, i work in the office with most hypocritical person i've ever met. Being with someone like her for so many hours every day, sometimes it gets me, i take it emotionally... How do i turn off identifying? thnx* You can do what I do. I would look at her as if I am watching a movie a actress who plays a woman that has no integrity and is basically a butt hole. Now if she is a blond that goes double hehe. Seriously watching her as a dark comedy movie may help. I do the same with a female member on this site. She's good for a hell of a laugh. It's like picking up the comics to see what happens next. Also there is a reason why this woman has been placed near you. Never mind trying to think of the reason just look at it as a gift and have fun with it. Michael
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Post by astarxy on Jan 30, 2011 13:28:32 GMT -5
haha, i do the same sometimes, laughing, or not dealing with her... it drives her crazy, i could never understand this. i guess some people are walking painbodies, like ET would say... people like her, with issues, need constant conflict to feed painbody. it gives them short term satisfaction and long term more pain. and... i've figured it out by now that she's near me every day for a reason... or i'm near her. one reason already revealed, others i still wait for to come to my realisation.. can't wait. it only gets tuff on moments, but less and less of those moments... many thanks*******
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Post by zendancer on Jan 30, 2011 13:35:30 GMT -5
Gangaji once told a funny story about Papaji. Papaji posed a problem for his students to consider. He said, "A fellow came to me and told me that he lived above a motorcycle shop that was incredibly noisy, so noisy that he couldn't meditate. He asked me what he should do, so what would you have told this man?" His students gave all kinds of answers, such as, trying to ignore the sounds, increasing his concentration, changing his style of meditation, focusing on the noise itself, etc. Papaji just nodded silently to each suggested solution. After everyone had finished, someone asked Papaji, "What did you tell the man to do?" Papaji said, "Oh, I told him to move." LOL
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Post by astarxy on Jan 30, 2011 13:56:39 GMT -5
not an option.. i'm dealing with it instead. thnx
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Post by therealfake on Jan 30, 2011 14:18:11 GMT -5
Dear friends, Loving all your words, and the words of Eckhart, Mooji.. everyone who's spiritually helping us... Myself I have biggest challenge with turning off identifying... Example, i work in the office with most hypocritical person i've ever met. Being with someone like her for so many hours every day, sometimes it gets me, i take it emotionally... How do i turn off identifying? thnx* Very easy, you don't have to, simply love her... When you are talking to her, glance into her eyes, (don't stare) that would be weird, and think I love you and you are perfect. Remember, your sending thoughts directly to her core, not the facade that you see standing in front of you. This works in many ways and can benefit you directly. First, you can only receive what you give. Jesus said to love your enemy. By withholding love for her, you are withholding it from yourself. Try this technique for a couple of days and see what happens. Something will change and it will be a pleasant surprise... You have been given, although you don't see it now, a petty tyrant, as a teacher and as an opportunity for growth.
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 30, 2011 14:25:04 GMT -5
TRF You are way too much of a Romantic for spiritual work. Romance does not make it in this arena. Why on earth would you glance into a actor eyes when watching a movie and the sad thing is you think it has some affect.
Michael
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Post by astarxy on Jan 30, 2011 14:57:22 GMT -5
TRF, tried that, about 15 times, got burned each time... I'm not fighting or anything with her, i'm just leaving her alone. I wish she'd do the same with me... so i have some additional things to deal with, but i manage... it just takes some extra energy, that's what i'd like to change... Well, one day...
I agree with Michael... sometimes you come across to people who are just too deep into negativity that you just have to set limits... in a peaceful way, of course. I do 'raise my voice', but only when i think it's needed and it's completely unharmful... Animals have to trained how to behave and so do people.
thnx.
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Post by enigma on Jan 30, 2011 15:14:53 GMT -5
Well, I suspect it won't work so well but not because the other is like an actor in a movie. Hehe. It won't work because love isn't a thought or a technique.
If genuine Love is allowed to move, it will indeed have an effect. This is probly going to sound terribly self serving, but it seems appropriate here. There is a way of 'falling into' a woman (never tried it with a man) in which all the apparent boundaries dissolve. It's 'normal' for us to, at least unconsciously, establish barriers between ourselves and others as a kind of defense, and this takes an energetic form. Sometimes it's appropriate, but these energetic boundaries can be dropped completely.
It's fascinating to do this with strangers who have no idea what's going on. Something moves at a deep feeling level, and there's usually confusion reflected as mind tries to understand what's happening, often crying and involuntary movements. When there's physical contact (like a hug) there are involuntary spasms in the solar plexus and heart area, which has happened with all intimate partners in the last couple decades.
So the point is that TRF is referring to something real, but there must be the willingness to surrender completely, or another way to say it, come empty to the other and allow all mentally formed boundaries to dissolve.
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 30, 2011 15:49:39 GMT -5
Well, I suspect it won't work so well but not because the other is like an actor in a movie. Hehe. It won't work because love isn't a thought or a technique. If genuine Love is allowed to move, it will indeed have an effect. This is probly going to sound terribly self serving, but it seems appropriate here. There is a way of 'falling into' a woman (never tried it with a man) in which all the apparent boundaries dissolve. It's 'normal' for us to, at least unconsciously, establish barriers between ourselves and others as a kind of defense, and this takes an energetic form. Sometimes it's appropriate, but these energetic boundaries can be dropped completely. It's fascinating to do this with strangers who have no idea what's going on. Something moves at a deep feeling level, and there's usually confusion reflected as mind tries to understand what's happening, often crying and involuntary movements. When there's physical contact (like a hug) there are involuntary spasms in the solar plexus and heart area, which has happened with all intimate partners in the last couple decades. So the point is that TRF is referring to something real, but there must be the willingness to surrender completely, or another way to say it, come empty to the other and allow all mentally formed boundaries to dissolve. My way works simply because it works. What you are talking about has nothing to do with love it has to to do with giving her a hit of Ecstasy so the barriers are broken down. The problem with this it will not last and the next day or so you are faced again with the same issue. Michael
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Post by astarxy on Jan 30, 2011 15:55:53 GMT -5
again i agree with Michael. tried it myself. as for love... people feel what you give away. some take it as a positive experience, some try to use it in their benefit. for those you shall set limits. or they suck life out of you. setting limits can be a peaceful act, so i guess we're back to love... my love to all of you.* p.s. we must distinguish illusion from reality. illusion is also something we wish to see or happen. but either way, it's no reality.
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Post by angela on Jan 30, 2011 16:13:59 GMT -5
eckhart also told a story about a crazy neighbor he had who used to come by and fill his world with all sorts of negative identified stories about stuff. once he woke up, and *genuinely* (not as a technique) accepted her for who she was, all the steam went out of her and she walked away on her own. it's like real tai chi - you're just as soft as can be, if she has nowhere to land her stuff, and it just falls right off you, then she quits. the only reason she adds the negativity to your world is because it bothers you. she can tell. we can all tell, all that stuff, on a deep level. if you can find a way to not argue with how she is, genuinely, not as a practice, but find that spaciousness inside of you..... then she will have nothing to work with.
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