The Truth

[sharon]

Nov 4, 2024 18:39:43 GMT -5 melvin said:

Nov 4, 2024 18:26:41 GMT -5 YoMadreGorda said:

Were you not exiled from the discussion board for spamming AI content like this? Why, upon return, do you resume with the same again?

It would be better to share your own thoughts on things. AI is just a regurgitated mix of everything that's ever been written and posted online (that is, the "training data"). 

I was suspended by Reefs for spamming on his thread related to an article Reef's posted which was not my thread. If you post something in your thread which is relevant from any source, why not? You see, I like to question my self, the answers to which come asap from AI. That's my point instead of asking you to answer my questions. Will your answers to my questions be informative to all? For example, I will ask you this question, " What will be the possible outcomes if I synthesize nonduality and Krishna consciousness?" Can you answer this for me in a few seconds? 

There are no outcomes that can satisfy you.

[sharon]

Nov 5, 2024 0:45:11 GMT -5 melvin said:

Nov 4, 2024 23:43:46 GMT -5 inavalan said:

What you asked is similar to estimating the reliability of a series system: a series system's reliability is the result of the multiplying of the reliabilities of all its subsystems. As all are sub-unitary, the series system's reliability is always lower than the lowest reliability among its subsystems.

Both nonduality (in any flavor) and Krishna consciousness being human distortions of reality (truth), their combination leads to greater distortion. So, don't go that way!

An example is Bilvamangala Thakur. He was a monist/nondualist, but when he met this naughty Boy,  Krishna,  Bilvamangala Thakur became a devotee. 

You have the story of this man in your memory. What use is that to you?

[melvin]

Nov 5, 2024 3:28:15 GMT -5 sharon said:

Nov 5, 2024 0:45:11 GMT -5 melvin said:

An example is Bilvamangala Thakur. He was a monist/nondualist, but when he met this naughty Boy,  Krishna,  Bilvamangala Thakur became a devotee. 

You have the story of this man in your memory. What use is that to you?

I felt this was me in my past life.

[melvin]

Nov 5, 2024 3:24:40 GMT -5 sharon said:

Nov 4, 2024 18:39:43 GMT -5 melvin said:

I was suspended by Reefs for spamming on his thread related to an article Reef's posted which was not my thread. If you post something in your thread which is relevant from any source, why not? You see, I like to question my self, the answers to which come asap from AI. That's my point instead of asking you to answer my questions. Will your answers to my questions be informative to all? For example, I will ask you this question, " What will be the possible outcomes if I synthesize nonduality and Krishna consciousness?" Can you answer this for me in a few seconds? 

There are no outcomes that can satisfy you.

"What are the possible outcomes if the practitioner synthesizes non-duality and Krishna consciousness into his practice?"

DeepAI says,

What a fascinating question! Synthesizing non-duality (e.g., Advaita Vedanta) and Krishna consciousness (e.g., Bhakti Yoga) can lead to a rich and profound spiritual practice. Here are some possible outcomes:

1. **Deeper understanding of the self**: By integrating non-duality with Krishna consciousness, the practitioner may gain a deeper understanding of the true nature of the self (Atman). This could lead to a sense of liberation from egoistic identification and attachment to worldly concerns.

2. **Expansion of devotion**: Synthesizing non-duality with Krishna consciousness may allow for a more nuanced and expansive understanding of devotion (Bhakti). The practitioner may experience a sense of unity with the divine, transcending dualistic thinking and attachment to personal desires.

3. **Increased sense of compassion and service**: By recognizing the ultimate oneness of all existence, the practitioner may develop a deeper sense of compassion and service towards all beings, as they would towards themselves. This could lead to a more selfless and altruistic approach to spiritual practice.

4. **Development of inner detachment**: The integration of non-duality and Krishna consciousness may help the practitioner develop a sense of detachment from worldly attachments, desires, and egoistic identifications. This could lead to greater emotional stability and inner peace.

5. **More profound spiritual experiences**: Synthesizing these two traditions may lead to more profound spiritual experiences, such as ecstatic states, samadhis, or direct encounters with the divine. The practitioner may experience a greater sense of unity, joy, and bliss.

6. **Greater appreciation for the teachings**: By integrating non-duality with Krishna consciousness, the practitioner may develop a deeper appreciation for the teachings of both traditions, recognizing their commonalities and complementary aspects.

7. **Increased sense of inner guidance**: The integration of these two traditions may help the practitioner develop a greater sense of inner guidance, allowing them to navigate life's challenges with more clarity and wisdom.

8. **Deeper understanding of the role of the guru**: By recognizing the ultimate oneness of all existence, the practitioner may come to understand the role of the guru as a catalyst for spiritual growth, rather than as a separate entity or authority figure.

9. **More effective coping mechanisms**: Synthesizing non-duality and Krishna consciousness may help the practitioner develop more effective coping mechanisms for dealing with life's challenges, such as difficult emotions, relationships, or setbacks.

10. **A more holistic spiritual practice**: By integrating these two traditions, the practitioner may develop a more holistic spiritual practice that encompasses various aspects of spiritual growth, including devotion, self-inquiry, service, and self-realization.

Keep in mind that each individual's experience will vary depending on their unique circumstances, spiritual background, and level of practice. The integration of non-duality and Krishna consciousness requires a deep understanding of both traditions and a willingness to explore their complementary aspects.

[sharon]

Nov 5, 2024 3:58:06 GMT -5 melvin said:

Nov 5, 2024 3:24:40 GMT -5 sharon said:

There are no outcomes that can satisfy you.

"What are the possible outcomes if the practitioner synthesizes non-duality and Krishna consciousness into his practice?"

DeepAI says,

What a fascinating question! Synthesizing non-duality (e.g., Advaita Vedanta) and Krishna consciousness (e.g., Bhakti Yoga) can lead to a rich and profound spiritual practice. Here are some possible outcomes:

1. **Deeper understanding of the self**: By integrating non-duality with Krishna consciousness, the practitioner may gain a deeper understanding of the true nature of the self (Atman). This could lead to a sense of liberation from egoistic identification and attachment to worldly concerns.

2. **Expansion of devotion**: Synthesizing non-duality with Krishna consciousness may allow for a more nuanced and expansive understanding of devotion (Bhakti). The practitioner may experience a sense of unity with the divine, transcending dualistic thinking and attachment to personal desires.

3. **Increased sense of compassion and service**: By recognizing the ultimate oneness of all existence, the practitioner may develop a deeper sense of compassion and service towards all beings, as they would towards themselves. This could lead to a more selfless and altruistic approach to spiritual practice.

4. **Development of inner detachment**: The integration of non-duality and Krishna consciousness may help the practitioner develop a sense of detachment from worldly attachments, desires, and egoistic identifications. This could lead to greater emotional stability and inner peace.

5. **More profound spiritual experiences**: Synthesizing these two traditions may lead to more profound spiritual experiences, such as ecstatic states, samadhis, or direct encounters with the divine. The practitioner may experience a greater sense of unity, joy, and bliss.

6. **Greater appreciation for the teachings**: By integrating non-duality with Krishna consciousness, the practitioner may develop a deeper appreciation for the teachings of both traditions, recognizing their commonalities and complementary aspects.

7. **Increased sense of inner guidance**: The integration of these two traditions may help the practitioner develop a greater sense of inner guidance, allowing them to navigate life's challenges with more clarity and wisdom.

8. **Deeper understanding of the role of the guru**: By recognizing the ultimate oneness of all existence, the practitioner may come to understand the role of the guru as a catalyst for spiritual growth, rather than as a separate entity or authority figure.

9. **More effective coping mechanisms**: Synthesizing non-duality and Krishna consciousness may help the practitioner develop more effective coping mechanisms for dealing with life's challenges, such as difficult emotions, relationships, or setbacks.

10. **A more holistic spiritual practice**: By integrating these two traditions, the practitioner may develop a more holistic spiritual practice that encompasses various aspects of spiritual growth, including devotion, self-inquiry, service, and self-realization.

Keep in mind that each individual's experience will vary depending on their unique circumstances, spiritual background, and level of practice. The integration of non-duality and Krishna consciousness requires a deep understanding of both traditions and a willingness to explore their complementary aspects.

Oh I see what has happened. Engaging with AI has taught you that you can get the answers to profound existential issues in seconds.

Is that satisfying for you?

[melvin]

Nov 5, 2024 7:51:58 GMT -5 sharon said:

Nov 5, 2024 3:58:06 GMT -5 melvin said:

"What are the possible outcomes if the practitioner synthesizes non-duality and Krishna consciousness into his practice?"

DeepAI says,

What a fascinating question! Synthesizing non-duality (e.g., Advaita Vedanta) and Krishna consciousness (e.g., Bhakti Yoga) can lead to a rich and profound spiritual practice. Here are some possible outcomes:

1. **Deeper understanding of the self**: By integrating non-duality with Krishna consciousness, the practitioner may gain a deeper understanding of the true nature of the self (Atman). This could lead to a sense of liberation from egoistic identification and attachment to worldly concerns.

2. **Expansion of devotion**: Synthesizing non-duality with Krishna consciousness may allow for a more nuanced and expansive understanding of devotion (Bhakti). The practitioner may experience a sense of unity with the divine, transcending dualistic thinking and attachment to personal desires.

3. **Increased sense of compassion and service**: By recognizing the ultimate oneness of all existence, the practitioner may develop a deeper sense of compassion and service towards all beings, as they would towards themselves. This could lead to a more selfless and altruistic approach to spiritual practice.

4. **Development of inner detachment**: The integration of non-duality and Krishna consciousness may help the practitioner develop a sense of detachment from worldly attachments, desires, and egoistic identifications. This could lead to greater emotional stability and inner peace.

5. **More profound spiritual experiences**: Synthesizing these two traditions may lead to more profound spiritual experiences, such as ecstatic states, samadhis, or direct encounters with the divine. The practitioner may experience a greater sense of unity, joy, and bliss.

6. **Greater appreciation for the teachings**: By integrating non-duality with Krishna consciousness, the practitioner may develop a deeper appreciation for the teachings of both traditions, recognizing their commonalities and complementary aspects.

7. **Increased sense of inner guidance**: The integration of these two traditions may help the practitioner develop a greater sense of inner guidance, allowing them to navigate life's challenges with more clarity and wisdom.

8. **Deeper understanding of the role of the guru**: By recognizing the ultimate oneness of all existence, the practitioner may come to understand the role of the guru as a catalyst for spiritual growth, rather than as a separate entity or authority figure.

9. **More effective coping mechanisms**: Synthesizing non-duality and Krishna consciousness may help the practitioner develop more effective coping mechanisms for dealing with life's challenges, such as difficult emotions, relationships, or setbacks.

10. **A more holistic spiritual practice**: By integrating these two traditions, the practitioner may develop a more holistic spiritual practice that encompasses various aspects of spiritual growth, including devotion, self-inquiry, service, and self-realization.

Keep in mind that each individual's experience will vary depending on their unique circumstances, spiritual background, and level of practice. The integration of non-duality and Krishna consciousness requires a deep understanding of both traditions and a willingness to explore their complementary aspects.

Oh I see what has happened. Engaging with AI has taught you that you can get the answers to profound existential issues in seconds.

Is that satisfying for you?

If I direct my questions to you, will you answer it for me? I won't be needing AI anymore if you do,  my old friend. 

[sharon]

Nov 5, 2024 8:36:58 GMT -5 melvin said:

Nov 5, 2024 7:51:58 GMT -5 sharon said:

Oh I see what has happened. Engaging with AI has taught you that you can get the answers to profound existential issues in seconds.

Is that satisfying for you?

If I direct my questions to you, will you answer it for me? I won't be needing AI anymore if you do,  my old friend. 

You have had your questions answered and already it’s not enough.

“A begging bowl made from human skull can never be filled.”

[inavalan]

Nov 5, 2024 3:58:06 GMT -5 melvin said:

Nov 5, 2024 3:24:40 GMT -5 sharon said:

DeepAI says,

What a fascinating question!  ... can lead to a rich and profound spiritual practice. ...

These AIs repeat empty, meaningless formulations.

[sharon]

Nov 5, 2024 13:00:10 GMT -5 inavalan said:

Nov 5, 2024 3:58:06 GMT -5 melvin said:

DeepAI says,

What a fascinating question!  ... can lead to a rich and profound spiritual practice. ...

These AIs repeat empty, meaningless formulations.

That’s not completely true. I just started to reread the first page of this thread and ‘the work’ of explaining the pointers to the primary I Am were quite clear.
Melvin appears to want to keep on finding questions rather than seeing that the questioner is being generated. But there isn’t anyone that can change that.

[zendancer]

Nov 5, 2024 14:06:47 GMT -5 sharon said:

Nov 5, 2024 13:00:10 GMT -5 inavalan said:

These AIs repeat empty, meaningless formulations.

That’s not completely true. I just started to reread the first page of this thread and ‘the work’ of explaining the pointers to the primary I Am were quite clear.
Melvin appears to want to keep on finding questions rather than seeing that the questioner is being generated. But there isn’t anyone that can change that.

I agree. The pointers that AI produced in this thread, if pursued, would likely lead to significant existential realizations.

[melvin]

Thanks so much Sharon and Zendancer for your understanding and support. Got a notice from Reefs not to use AI in my discussions with you here. I will be using my own words, thoughts, views and opinions of what I personally know from my experience, dreams.

This thread, The Truth, was solely created to interpret Nisa's 229 I AM pointers using AI. In any endeavor there are always oppositions. Thus, creating something that is not worthwhile. Actually, I don't like that happening. Discussions should be peaceful. So, starting today, I will question myself here or in the other threads without using AI to answer these questions. For example, " Why are viewers now in this forum went down, seeing numbers 90-100 before? Now it has gone down to 10-12? " My answer would be, " I really dont know. Must be the US Presidential Elections."

[sharon]

Nov 5, 2024 14:38:18 GMT -5 zendancer said:

Nov 5, 2024 14:06:47 GMT -5 sharon said:

That’s not completely true. I just started to reread the first page of this thread and ‘the work’ of explaining the pointers to the primary I Am were quite clear.
Melvin appears to want to keep on finding questions rather than seeing that the questioner is being generated. But there isn’t anyone that can change that.

I agree. The pointers that AI produced in this thread, if pursued, would likely lead to significant existential realizations.

‘If pursued’.. openly. With a need to recognise, that does not come from the mind of memories and comparison.

[zendancer]

Nov 6, 2024 2:38:38 GMT -5 sharon said:

Nov 5, 2024 14:38:18 GMT -5 zendancer said:

I agree. The pointers that AI produced in this thread, if pursued, would likely lead to significant existential realizations.

‘If pursued’.. openly. With a need to recognise, that does not come from the mind of memories and comparison.

So true.

[melvin]

Nov 5, 2024 18:20:14 GMT -5 melvin said:

Thanks so much Sharon and Zendancer for your understanding and support. Got a notice from Reefs not to use AI in my discussions with you here. I will be using my own words, thoughts, views and opinions of what I personally know from my experience, dreams.

This thread, The Truth, was solely created to interpret Nisa's 229 I AM pointers using AI. In any endeavor there are always oppositions. Thus, creating something that is not worthwhile. Actually, I don't like that happening. Discussions should be peaceful. So, starting today, I will question myself here or in the other threads without using AI to answer these questions. For example, " Why are viewers now in this forum went down, seeing numbers 90-100 before? Now it has gone down to 10-12? " My answer would be, " I really dont know. Must be the US Presidential Elections."

[lolly]

AI: (just kidding, it's actually me).