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Post by zendancer on Nov 8, 2024 4:33:55 GMT -5
Thanks so much Sharon and Zendancer for your understanding and support. Got a notice from Reefs not to use AI in my discussions with you here. I will be using my own words, thoughts, views and opinions of what I personally know from my experience, dreams. This thread, The Truth, was solely created to interpret Nisa's 229 I AM pointers using AI. In any endeavor there are always oppositions. Thus, creating something that is not worthwhile. Actually, I don't like that happening. Discussions should be peaceful. So, starting today, I will question myself here or in the other threads without using AI to answer these questions. For example, " Why are viewers now in this forum went down, seeing numbers 90-100 before? Now it has gone down to 10-12? " My answer would be, " I really dont know. Must be the US Presidential Elections." ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() View AttachmentI suspect that the viewership is down because almost all of the main issues have been discussed repeatedly over the years. Here's a quote from Tyler Matthew that sums up the non-dual perspective from someone who has realized the truth: "I am not a character in the scene; I am the scene." Nisargadatta's book was titled "I am THAT." I prefer to say, "I am THIS" because it feels a little more intimate. There is only THIS/Source/Self/Reality, and every human, rock, river, raindrop, snowflake, star, or galaxy is a momentary manifestation of that infinite unified field of being. There is no "other" except in imagination. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 8, 2024 5:59:20 GMT -5
I suspect that the viewership is down because almost all of the main issues have been discussed repeatedly over the years. Here's a quote from Tyler Matthew that sums up the non-dual perspective from someone who has realized the truth: "I am not a character in the scene; I am the scene." Nisargadatta's book was titled "I am THAT." I prefer to say, "I am THIS" because it feels a little more intimate. There is only THIS/Source/Self/Reality, and every human, rock, river, raindrop, snowflake, star, or galaxy is a momentary manifestation of that infinite unified field of being. There is no "other" except in imagination. I have always been fascinated by Nisa's I AM quotes after I managed to attach/incorporate the word Krishna. Say, I AM Krishna. So, everytime Nisa points at an I AM quote, I felt I AM refers to Krishna whom devotees claim as the Ultimate Reality, the Parambrahman. That's my perception and this may not jibe with nondualistic reasoning since to a nondualist, the Absolute Truth is without form. SR to a nondualist means one has achieved the qualities of the Absolute Truth and therefore has become one himself. |
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Post by zendancer on Nov 8, 2024 6:10:53 GMT -5
I suspect that the viewership is down because almost all of the main issues have been discussed repeatedly over the years. Here's a quote from Tyler Matthew that sums up the non-dual perspective from someone who has realized the truth: "I am not a character in the scene; I am the scene." Nisargadatta's book was titled "I am THAT." I prefer to say, "I am THIS" because it feels a little more intimate. There is only THIS/Source/Self/Reality, and every human, rock, river, raindrop, snowflake, star, or galaxy is a momentary manifestation of that infinite unified field of being. There is no "other" except in imagination. I have always been fascinated by Nisa's I AM quotes after I managed to attach/incorporate the word Krishna. Say, I AM Krishna. So, everytime Nisa points at an I AM quote, I felt I AM refers to Krishna whom devotees claim as the Ultimate Reality, the Parambrahman. That's my perception and this may not jibe with nondualistic reasoning since to a nondualist, the Absolute Truth is without form. SR to a nondualist means one has achieved the qualities of the Absolute Truth and therefore has become one himself. Just the be clear, the Absolute has no qualities. Qualities is an idea about the Absolute. Also, from a sage's perspective there is no SVP who ever attains anything. THIS, in the form of a human, simply realizes THIS. That kind of realization ends the search because the actual searcher is discovered to have been THIS. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 8, 2024 6:22:18 GMT -5
I have always been fascinated by Nisa's I AM quotes after I managed to attach/incorporate the word Krishna. Say, I AM Krishna. So, everytime Nisa points at an I AM quote, I felt I AM refers to Krishna whom devotees claim as the Ultimate Reality, the Parambrahman. That's my perception and this may not jibe with nondualistic reasoning since to a nondualist, the Absolute Truth is without form. SR to a nondualist means one has achieved the qualities of the Absolute Truth and therefore has become one himself. Just the be clear, the Absolute has no qualities. Qualities is an idea about the Absolute. Also, from a sage's perspective there is no SVP who ever attains anything. THIS, in the form of a human, simply realizes THIS. That kind of realization ends the search because the actual searcher is discovered to have been THIS. In the Advaita Vedanta perspective the Absolute Truth has no qualities but Krishna whom devotees claim is the Absolute Truth has qualities. The word THIS you are referring to is something which can't be described, an impersonalist point of view. A devotee of Krishna sees THIS or THAT as Krishna. |
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Post by sharon on Nov 8, 2024 8:13:51 GMT -5
Just the be clear, the Absolute has no qualities. Qualities is an idea about the Absolute. Also, from a sage's perspective there is no SVP who ever attains anything. THIS, in the form of a human, simply realizes THIS. That kind of realization ends the search because the actual searcher is discovered to have been THIS. In the Advaita Vedanta perspective the Absolute Truth has no qualities but Krishna whom devotees claim is the Absolute Truth has qualities. The word THIS you are referring to is something which can't be described, an impersonalist point of view. A devotee of Krishna sees THIS or THAT as Krishna. Is the devotee not THIS.. ? |
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Post by Reefs on Nov 8, 2024 8:24:29 GMT -5
I suspect that the viewership is down because almost all of the main issues have been discussed repeatedly over the years. I don't think these numbers can be trusted anyway. Compared to the average numbers from years ago when this forum still had 20+ pages per day, they seem illogically high recently. So I wouldn't read too much into it. |
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Post by Reefs on Nov 8, 2024 8:35:18 GMT -5
I suspect that the viewership is down because almost all of the main issues have been discussed repeatedly over the years. Here's a quote from Tyler Matthew that sums up the non-dual perspective from someone who has realized the truth: "I am not a character in the scene; I am the scene." Nisargadatta's book was titled "I am THAT." I prefer to say, "I am THIS" because it feels a little more intimate. There is only THIS/Source/Self/Reality, and every human, rock, river, raindrop, snowflake, star, or galaxy is a momentary manifestation of that infinite unified field of being. There is no "other" except in imagination. I have always been fascinated by Nisa's I AM quotes after I managed to attach/incorporate the word Krishna. Say, I AM Krishna. So, everytime Nisa points at an I AM quote, I felt I AM refers to Krishna whom devotees claim as the Ultimate Reality, the Parambrahman. That's my perception and this may not jibe with nondualistic reasoning since to a nondualist, the Absolute Truth is without form. SR to a nondualist means one has achieved the qualities of the Absolute Truth and therefore has become one himself. Niz taught both jnana and bhakti yoga. And while very different in style and approach, both teach essentially the same. You seem to resonate more with bhakti yoga. That's why conceptualizing THIS as Krishna seems to be your ideal path. In the end, it doesn't matter which path you follow. It's like trying to get to the roof of a building, you can take the stairs, the elevator or let someone else carry you there. Jnana yoga seems like taking the elevator, karma yoga like taking the stairs and bhakti yoga like letting someone else carry you there. But once you are on the roof, you are on the roof, and you'll share the exact same view, even though your experience of getting there is totally different. This forum is almost exclusively focused on the jnana approach. That's why you are probably inadvertently annoying some of the people here when you keep talking about Krishna being the solution for everything (including cancer), hehe. But it's good to have someone here with the bhakti approach balance that out a bit. The bhakti approach usually emphasizes the kensho aspect of SR (i.e. there is only what you are or seeing God everywhere, in everyone and everything), the jnana approach usually emphasizes the satori aspect of SR (i.e. seeing thru the illusion of the SVP). ETA: There was an analogy by Ramakrishna, the monkey approach vs. the kitten approach. Jnana is the monkey approach, bhakti the kitten approach. |
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Post by Reefs on Nov 8, 2024 8:41:54 GMT -5
I have always been fascinated by Nisa's I AM quotes after I managed to attach/incorporate the word Krishna. Say, I AM Krishna. So, everytime Nisa points at an I AM quote, I felt I AM refers to Krishna whom devotees claim as the Ultimate Reality, the Parambrahman. That's my perception and this may not jibe with nondualistic reasoning since to a nondualist, the Absolute Truth is without form. SR to a nondualist means one has achieved the qualities of the Absolute Truth and therefore has become one himself. Just the be clear, the Absolute has no qualities. Qualities is an idea about the Absolute. Also, from a sage's perspective there is no SVP who ever attains anything. THIS, in the form of a human, simply realizes THIS. That kind of realization ends the search because the actual searcher is discovered to have been THIS.That's it in a nutshell. Simple. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 8, 2024 10:57:18 GMT -5
Just the be clear, the Absolute has no qualities. Qualities is an idea about the Absolute. Also, from a sage's perspective there is no SVP who ever attains anything. THIS, in the form of a human, simply realizes THIS. That kind of realization ends the search because the actual searcher is discovered to have been THIS.That's it in a nutshell. Simple. Yeah. This THIS IS Krishna. |
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Post by inavalan on Nov 8, 2024 13:01:08 GMT -5
Nothing is easy, but who wants nothing?
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Post by tenka on Nov 8, 2024 14:33:47 GMT -5
I have always been fascinated by Nisa's I AM quotes after I managed to attach/incorporate the word Krishna. Say, I AM Krishna. So, everytime Nisa points at an I AM quote, I felt I AM refers to Krishna whom devotees claim as the Ultimate Reality, the Parambrahman. That's my perception and this may not jibe with nondualistic reasoning since to a nondualist, the Absolute Truth is without form. SR to a nondualist means one has achieved the qualities of the Absolute Truth and therefore has become one himself. Just the be clear, the Absolute has no qualities. Qualities is an idea about the Absolute. Also, from a sage's perspective there is no SVP who ever attains anything. THIS, in the form of a human, simply realizes THIS. That kind of realization ends the search because the actual searcher is discovered to have been THIS. The absolute has 'no qualities' is an idea about the absolute just as the idea that the absolute 'has qualities' is.  |
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Post by zendancer on Nov 8, 2024 15:11:24 GMT -5
Just the be clear, the Absolute has no qualities. Qualities is an idea about the Absolute. Also, from a sage's perspective there is no SVP who ever attains anything. THIS, in the form of a human, simply realizes THIS. That kind of realization ends the search because the actual searcher is discovered to have been THIS. The absolute has 'no qualities' is an idea about the absolute just as the idea that the absolute 'has qualities' is. Correct, but it's a better pointer.  |
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Post by justlikeyou on Nov 8, 2024 17:14:12 GMT -5
Just the be clear, the Absolute has no qualities. Qualities is an idea about the Absolute. Also, from a sage's perspective there is no SVP who ever attains anything. THIS, in the form of a human, simply realizes THIS. That kind of realization ends the search because the actual searcher is discovered to have been THIS. The absolute has 'no qualities' is an idea about the absolute just as the idea that the absolute 'has qualities' is. That the ocean is salty is only an idea until the moment you taste it. Then it is a reality for you. Taste the Absolute and it is no longer just an idea. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 8, 2024 18:17:51 GMT -5
The absolute has 'no qualities' is an idea about the absolute just as the idea that the absolute 'has qualities' is. That the ocean is salty is only an idea until the moment you taste it. Then it is a reality for you. Taste the Absolute and it is no longer just an idea. One taste of the Absolute is Love. |
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Post by laughter on Nov 9, 2024 11:35:24 GMT -5
The AI should've indicated its sources, not just state the stories as facts. Same about claiming those stories aren't true ... The Supreme Court of the Philippines is eyeing using AI to assist the institution resolve its cases. It is a fact. You can Google it. If you'd like, I can demonstrate open ai's free product making up cases that don't exist, and quoting ones that do for the opposite of what they hold. It also misinterprets statutes, especially ones with nested outlines. I'm not sure exactly what tweaks would have to be done to cure this, but I have my hunches. You'd have to pay good money to find out if anyone already has, but the non-open-ai legal-specific products I've tried don't have chat, which completely defeats the purpose. |
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