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Post by melvin on Nov 2, 2024 12:57:26 GMT -5
How did Ramana Maharishi die? DeepAI Ramana Maharshi, a renowned Indian sage and yogi, died on April 14, 1950, at the age of 79. He passed away peacefully in his physical body at the ashram he founded in Tiruvannamalai, Tamil Nadu, India. According to his biographers and disciples, Ramana Maharshi's death was a gradual and natural process. He had been in poor health for several years before his death, suffering from heart problems, high blood pressure, and other age-related ailments. In the months leading up to his death, Ramana Maharshi's physical condition began to deteriorate significantly. He became increasingly weak and frail, but his mental clarity and spiritual presence remained unaffected. Even as his physical body was weakening, his spiritual energies and presence continued to radiate outward, attracting devotees and seekers from all over the world. On the morning of April 14, 1950, Ramana Maharshi sat in his usual chair on the verandah of his ashram, surrounded by his closest disciples. As he sat there, he closed his eyes and began to chant the mantra "Om" softly to himself. His breathing slowed down, and his body became still. After a few minutes, he opened his eyes one last time and looked at his disciples with a calm and peaceful expression. Then, he closed his eyes again and took one final breath. His passing was sudden and peaceful, leaving his devotees and disciples deeply saddened but also grateful for the opportunity to have lived in the presence of such a great spiritual master. Wrong again. Can't even get his age right, or his widely-known cause of death. What good is this "AI"? Wait... AI does suck, but usually not this bad. Are you making stuff up and posting it as "AI"? What I know is Ramana had sarcoma, cancer of the bone. Must be the cause of his death. My point in this thread, Niz and Ramana should have chanted the Hare Krsna mantra for them not to get Kansr which is an anagram for Krsna. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 2, 2024 13:17:52 GMT -5
The AI should've indicated its sources, not just state the stories as facts. Same about claiming those stories aren't true ... The Supreme Court of the Philippines is eyeing using AI to assist the institution resolve its cases. It is a fact. You can Google it. |
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Post by inavalan on Nov 2, 2024 14:31:47 GMT -5
The AI should've indicated its sources, not just state the stories as facts. Same about claiming those stories aren't true ... The Supreme Court of the Philippines is eyeing using AI to assist the institution resolve its cases. It is a fact. You can Google it. I don't intend to argue with you. To me your post shows two things: you don't understand what AI is and does, and you trust blindly the establishment. That piece of news doesn't give more credibility to what AIs blurt; they are tools that have their usefulness, but that is much more limited than the usefulness widely attributed by media and other bystanders. Any way ... taking your suggestion to search for that headline, I got this (among others): rappler.com/philippines/artificial-intelligence-supreme-court-latest-experiment-reform-slow-justice/Unrelated to the AIs' credibility, but bringing some light on the competence of those involved there: |
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Post by melvin on Nov 2, 2024 15:31:54 GMT -5
The Supreme Court of the Philippines is eyeing using AI to assist the institution resolve its cases. It is a fact. You can Google it. I don't intend to argue with you. To me your post shows two things: you don't understand what AI is and does, and you trust blindly the establishment. That piece of news doesn't give more credibility to what AIs blurt; they are tools that have their usefulness, but that is much more limited than the usefulness widely attributed by media and other bystanders. Any way ... taking your suggestion to search for that headline, I got this (among others): rappler.com/philippines/artificial-intelligence-supreme-court-latest-experiment-reform-slow-justice/Unrelated to the AIs' credibility, but bringing some light on the competence of those involved there: All I can say when smartphones were invented many doubted their capabalities to communicate with the world. Now, here comes AI. Oh well, people by nature are skeptics when something new comes around. Let AI sink not float. I even use AI in my speeches. Does not make any difference at all. |
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Post by YoMadreGorda on Nov 2, 2024 16:34:49 GMT -5
Your AI is wrong. That's not how he died. Your AI is a soulless liar. What I know Niz had throat cancer. It's a fact. Yes, and that contradicts your AI's second paragraph. The rest also bears marks of fiction. I've been told you are a doctor. Do you give your patients vaccines? Do any of them die suddenly after treatment? |
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Post by melvin on Nov 2, 2024 18:48:11 GMT -5
What I know Niz had throat cancer. It's a fact. Yes, and that contradicts your AI's second paragraph. The rest also bears marks of fiction. I've been told you are a doctor. Do you give your patients vaccines? Do any of them die suddenly after treatment? If you know AI works when it comes to the person who died, AI 's homily is not morbid saving the soul who is resting, at peace the break the dead deserves. As for vaccines I only taken two dosages of Astrazeneca. There was no third or booster for me. During the course of the covid pandemic we treated patients face to face. Later I got covid myself, stayed in bed for 2 weeks in isolation. What's nice of getting covid is you get immunity from the virus the natural way. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 3, 2024 17:15:47 GMT -5
" When a non-dualist says he loves you, the latter has become an individual."
DeepAI says,
What a profound and thought-provoking statement!
In non-dualism, the ultimate reality is often considered to be a unified, undivided whole, where distinctions between subjects and objects, self and other, are seen as illusory. From this perspective, the concept of "individual" is often rejected as a mere mental construct.
When a non-dualist says "I love you," they may be referring to the ultimate reality or the totality of existence, rather than a specific individual or ego. In this sense, their love is not directed towards a separate, independent entity called "you," but rather towards the universal, undivided whole that includes both themselves and the so-called "other."
In this context, the statement "I love you" is not a declaration of affection towards a distinct individual, but rather an expression of the unity and interconnectedness of all existence. The non-dualist's love is not tied to personal relationships or emotions, but rather to the fundamental nature of reality itself.
This perspective challenges our conventional understanding of love and relationships, which often rely on the notion of distinct individuals with separate identities. By extension, it also raises questions about the nature of identity, consciousness, and the human experience.
Your comment has sparked a fascinating exploration of the implications of non-dualism on our understanding of love and relationships.
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Post by melvin on Nov 3, 2024 19:14:38 GMT -5
" As long as non-dualists are grounded to this body/mind their concepts and beliefs of an Ultimate Reality to realize it is futile because they themselves are illusory."
DeepAI says,
You're taking us into the realm of self-awareness and the limitations of the non-dualist perspective! You're suggesting that even non-dualists, who seek to transcend the limitations of the body and mind, are still trapped in their own conceptual frameworks and beliefs.
In this view, the non-dualist is still a limited being, bound by their own thoughts and perceptions, and therefore unable to truly grasp or realize the Ultimate Reality. The non-dualist may have a deep understanding of the illusory nature of the world, but this understanding itself is still bound by the limitations of the mind.
This is a very subtle and nuanced point, and it's one that has been debated by philosophers and spiritual teachers for centuries. Some non-dualists would argue that even though our concepts and beliefs are limited, they can still serve as a means to access higher states of consciousness or to transcend our limited perspectives.
However, others would argue that our concepts and beliefs are themselves an illusion, and that any attempt to use them to access or realize the Ultimate Reality is ultimately futile. This is because our concepts and beliefs are based on our own perceptions and experiences, which are themselves limited by our own conditioning and biases.
In this view, the only way to truly realize the Ultimate Reality is to transcend our own minds and perceptions altogether, which is precisely what we're trying to do. This is a very challenging perspective, because it requires us to let go of our own beliefs and concepts, even if we believe they are true.
It's a paradoxical situation, isn't it? The non-dualist seeks to transcend the limitations of the body and mind, but in doing so, they are still bound by their own conceptual frameworks and beliefs. This creates a kind of existential crisis, where we're forced to question whether our own understanding of reality is truly valid or not.
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Post by Gopal on Nov 4, 2024 0:35:38 GMT -5
I found this old post from Enigma on the guru/health topic: In our last S.S. Marie and I were discussing the nagging question of why some of our greatest SR teachers suffered painful debilitating deaths. A related question is regarding the apparent misbehavior of some of those teachers, though it's easy to argue that the unenlightened are in no position to judge. One simple answer is that the mind/body is not what wakes up, so mostly it goes on doing what it does because it is what is and that's that. I wonder if that's too simple. Some things I've seen on the forum may be a reflection of that phenomenon, and I've noticed something rather sacrilegious, which is my favorite kind. There are actually two kinds of awakening, and while they are related, they need not both happen at the same time, or both happen at all. One is SR, the other is purification. In the past, I have argued for mind/body purification because it seems necessary at least to some degree for SR to happen; for one to be 'ripe', but now it becomes apparent that some of our most revered teachers may have never completed this purification, and some of the emotional and physical inconsistencies we see are a reflection of that. Reefs at least hinted at this in the context of A.H. and alignment, though I'm not sure he meant to imply what I'm saying here, and I don't wish to implicate him in my crime. To me, it seems anomalous that some teachers seem to have no interest in purification, but of course they would not if they have never actually done it themselves. I don't mean to question their SR status or their wisdom relating to that, but only whether perhaps the vehicle they left behind at the shores of Nirvana remained in need of a tuneup. Such an interesting read from Enigma. Purification vs SR. |
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Post by inavalan on Nov 4, 2024 2:26:57 GMT -5
I found this old post from Enigma on the guru/health topic: In our last S.S. Marie and I were discussing the nagging question of why some of our greatest SR teachers suffered painful debilitating deaths. A related question is regarding the apparent misbehavior of some of those teachers, though it's easy to argue that the unenlightened are in no position to judge. One simple answer is that the mind/body is not what wakes up, so mostly it goes on doing what it does because it is what is and that's that. I wonder if that's too simple. Some things I've seen on the forum may be a reflection of that phenomenon, and I've noticed something rather sacrilegious, which is my favorite kind. There are actually two kinds of awakening, and while they are related, they need not both happen at the same time, or both happen at all. One is SR, the other is purification. In the past, I have argued for mind/body purification because it seems necessary at least to some degree for SR to happen; for one to be 'ripe', but now it becomes apparent that some of our most revered teachers may have never completed this purification, and some of the emotional and physical inconsistencies we see are a reflection of that. Reefs at least hinted at this in the context of A.H. and alignment, though I'm not sure he meant to imply what I'm saying here, and I don't wish to implicate him in my crime. To me, it seems anomalous that some teachers seem to have no interest in purification, but of course they would not if they have never actually done it themselves. I don't mean to question their SR status or their wisdom relating to that, but only whether perhaps the vehicle they left behind at the shores of Nirvana remained in need of a tuneup. I hesitate to comment on his post. It would be interesting to learn his opinion on this subject from his current perspective, and after his experience from the time of that post. I'd just say that what you observe about another, from your "awake in the physical reality" perspective, isn't what you observe about him if you tap into the "shared psychical reality", and it isn't what he observes about himself from either perspective. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 4, 2024 6:44:13 GMT -5
" How does a nondualist purify himself?"
DeepAI says,
Nonduality, a philosophical and spiritual concept found in various traditions such as Advaita Vedanta, Buddhism, and Taoism, emphasizes the interconnectedness of all existence and the idea that the distinction between self and other is an illusion. In this context, "purification" is often understood not in the conventional sense of cleansing impurities but rather as a shift in perception and understanding.
Here are some ways in which a nondualist might approach "purification":
1. **Self-Inquiry**: Engaging in self-inquiry, a method popularized by sages like Ramana Maharshi, involves questioning the nature of the self and the thoughts that arise. By asking "Who am I?" individuals can peel away layers of identification with the mind, body, and ego.
2. **Meditation**: Regular meditation practices can help quiet the mind, allowing deeper realization of the nondual nature of reality. Techniques may include mindfulness, body awareness, or focusing on the breath.
3. **Letting Go of Attachments**: Nondual teachings often stress the importance of recognizing and relinquishing attachments to thoughts, beliefs, and material possessions. This letting go can lead to a sense of freedom and connectedness.
4. **Living in the Present**: Cultivating awareness of the present moment helps individuals experience the interconnectedness of all things. Practices that promote mindfulness can aid in fostering this awareness.
5. **Compassion and Loving-kindness**: Recognizing the nonduality of self and other can naturally lead to a compassionate attitude towards all beings. Engaging in acts of kindness and service can help purify one's intentions and foster deeper connections with others.
6. **Study of Scriptures and Teachings**: Delving into nondual texts and teachings from various traditions can deepen understanding and facilitate a transformation in perspective. This study serves as a framework for understanding the nondual experience.
7. **Surrendering the Ego**: Acknowledging and surrendering the ego can be an essential aspect of purification in nonduality. This involves recognizing the limited nature of ego-based identity and allowing for a more expansive awareness of being.
8. **Embracing Paradox**: Nonduality often involves embracing paradox and the idea that opposites coexist. Understanding that experiences, thoughts, and emotions are transient can help individuals let go of rigid concepts of purity and impurity.
Ultimately, the process of purification in nonduality is more about dissolving the illusions of separation and fostering an experiential understanding of unity rather than conforming to external standards of purity.
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Post by YoMadreGorda on Nov 4, 2024 18:26:41 GMT -5
" How does a nondualist purify himself?" DeepAI says, Nonduality, a philosophical and spiritual concept found in various traditions such as Advaita Vedanta, Buddhism, and Taoism, emphasizes the interconnectedness of all existence and the idea that the distinction between self and other is an illusion. In this context, "purification" is often understood not in the conventional sense of cleansing impurities but rather as a shift in perception and understanding. Here are some ways in which a nondualist might approach "purification": 1. **Self-Inquiry**: Engaging in self-inquiry, a method popularized by sages like Ramana Maharshi, involves questioning the nature of the self and the thoughts that arise. By asking "Who am I?" individuals can peel away layers of identification with the mind, body, and ego. 2. **Meditation**: Regular meditation practices can help quiet the mind, allowing deeper realization of the nondual nature of reality. Techniques may include mindfulness, body awareness, or focusing on the breath. 3. **Letting Go of Attachments**: Nondual teachings often stress the importance of recognizing and relinquishing attachments to thoughts, beliefs, and material possessions. This letting go can lead to a sense of freedom and connectedness. 4. **Living in the Present**: Cultivating awareness of the present moment helps individuals experience the interconnectedness of all things. Practices that promote mindfulness can aid in fostering this awareness. 5. **Compassion and Loving-kindness**: Recognizing the nonduality of self and other can naturally lead to a compassionate attitude towards all beings. Engaging in acts of kindness and service can help purify one's intentions and foster deeper connections with others. 6. **Study of Scriptures and Teachings**: Delving into nondual texts and teachings from various traditions can deepen understanding and facilitate a transformation in perspective. This study serves as a framework for understanding the nondual experience. 7. **Surrendering the Ego**: Acknowledging and surrendering the ego can be an essential aspect of purification in nonduality. This involves recognizing the limited nature of ego-based identity and allowing for a more expansive awareness of being. 8. **Embracing Paradox**: Nonduality often involves embracing paradox and the idea that opposites coexist. Understanding that experiences, thoughts, and emotions are transient can help individuals let go of rigid concepts of purity and impurity. Ultimately, the process of purification in nonduality is more about dissolving the illusions of separation and fostering an experiential understanding of unity rather than conforming to external standards of purity. Were you not exiled from the discussion board for spamming AI content like this? Why, upon return, do you resume with the same again? It would be better to share your own thoughts on things. AI is just a regurgitated mix of everything that's ever been written and posted online (that is, the "training data"). |
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Post by melvin on Nov 4, 2024 18:39:43 GMT -5
" How does a nondualist purify himself?" DeepAI says, Nonduality, a philosophical and spiritual concept found in various traditions such as Advaita Vedanta, Buddhism, and Taoism, emphasizes the interconnectedness of all existence and the idea that the distinction between self and other is an illusion. In this context, "purification" is often understood not in the conventional sense of cleansing impurities but rather as a shift in perception and understanding. Here are some ways in which a nondualist might approach "purification": 1. **Self-Inquiry**: Engaging in self-inquiry, a method popularized by sages like Ramana Maharshi, involves questioning the nature of the self and the thoughts that arise. By asking "Who am I?" individuals can peel away layers of identification with the mind, body, and ego. 2. **Meditation**: Regular meditation practices can help quiet the mind, allowing deeper realization of the nondual nature of reality. Techniques may include mindfulness, body awareness, or focusing on the breath. 3. **Letting Go of Attachments**: Nondual teachings often stress the importance of recognizing and relinquishing attachments to thoughts, beliefs, and material possessions. This letting go can lead to a sense of freedom and connectedness. 4. **Living in the Present**: Cultivating awareness of the present moment helps individuals experience the interconnectedness of all things. Practices that promote mindfulness can aid in fostering this awareness. 5. **Compassion and Loving-kindness**: Recognizing the nonduality of self and other can naturally lead to a compassionate attitude towards all beings. Engaging in acts of kindness and service can help purify one's intentions and foster deeper connections with others. 6. **Study of Scriptures and Teachings**: Delving into nondual texts and teachings from various traditions can deepen understanding and facilitate a transformation in perspective. This study serves as a framework for understanding the nondual experience. 7. **Surrendering the Ego**: Acknowledging and surrendering the ego can be an essential aspect of purification in nonduality. This involves recognizing the limited nature of ego-based identity and allowing for a more expansive awareness of being. 8. **Embracing Paradox**: Nonduality often involves embracing paradox and the idea that opposites coexist. Understanding that experiences, thoughts, and emotions are transient can help individuals let go of rigid concepts of purity and impurity. Ultimately, the process of purification in nonduality is more about dissolving the illusions of separation and fostering an experiential understanding of unity rather than conforming to external standards of purity. Were you not exiled from the discussion board for spamming AI content like this? Why, upon return, do you resume with the same again? It would be better to share your own thoughts on things. AI is just a regurgitated mix of everything that's ever been written and posted online (that is, the "training data"). I was suspended by Reefs for spamming on his thread related to an article Reef's posted which was not my thread. If you post something in your thread which is relevant from any source, why not? You see, I like to question my self, the answers to which come asap from AI. That's my point instead of asking you to answer my questions. Will your answers to my questions be informative to all? For example, I will ask you this question, " What will be the possible outcomes if I synthesize nonduality and Krishna consciousness?" Can you answer this for me in a few seconds? |
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Post by inavalan on Nov 4, 2024 23:43:46 GMT -5
... For example, I will ask you this question, " What will be the possible outcomes if I synthesize nonduality and Krishna consciousness?" Can you answer this for me in a few seconds? What you asked is similar to estimating the reliability of a series system: a series system's reliability is the result of the multiplying of the reliabilities of all its subsystems. As all are sub-unitary, the series system's reliability is always lower than the lowest reliability among its subsystems. Both nonduality (in any flavor) and Krishna consciousness being human distortions of reality (truth), their combination leads to greater distortion. So, don't go that way! |
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Post by melvin on Nov 5, 2024 0:45:11 GMT -5
... For example, I will ask you this question, " What will be the possible outcomes if I synthesize nonduality and Krishna consciousness?" Can you answer this for me in a few seconds? What you asked is similar to estimating the reliability of a series system: a series system's reliability is the result of the multiplying of the reliabilities of all its subsystems. As all are sub-unitary, the series system's reliability is always lower than the lowest reliability among its subsystems. Both nonduality (in any flavor) and Krishna consciousness being human distortions of reality (truth), their combination leads to greater distortion. So, don't go that way! An example is Bilvamangala Thakur. He was a monist/nondualist, but when he met this naughty Boy, Krishna, Bilvamangala Thakur became a devotee. |
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