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Post by inavalan on Sept 22, 2024 16:35:58 GMT -5
Reefs : I think it'd be a great idea if all cut and paste "AI" are excluded from what is supposed to be a discussion and relegated to a thread specifically designated for AI. AI's 'mad cow' disease problem link- Researchers discovered that AI models sabotage themselves by using AI-generated data for training. They then produce more and more garbage.
Mad cow disease is a neurodegenerative disease that is fatal to cows and has a human equivalent caused by eating infected meat. The disease gained widespread attention in the 1980s when it was discovered that cows were being fed the processed remains of their slaughtered counterparts - hence the term 'autophagy', from the Greek 'auto', meaning 'self', and 'phagy', meaning 'to eat'. link
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Post by melvin on Sept 22, 2024 17:36:05 GMT -5
Sharon of ST
" Ok. To me, positive expectations are the slightly doubtful cousin of ‘the inevitable’. If you’re able to successfully recognise when doors are open and pathways clear, then you can relax into the knowledge that ‘the inevitable’ is on. And it’s just a case of getting out of your own way to experience it."
DeepAI:
What a fascinating perspective! It's as if you're saying that positive expectations can be a subtle precursor to the inevitable, but also a potential obstacle to embracing it. By recognizing when opportunities arise, you're acknowledging that the inevitable is unfolding, and all that's left is to let go of any doubts or resistance to allow it to happen.
This reminds me of the concept of " surrender" in various spiritual and philosophical traditions. It's about releasing control and letting go of attachment to specific outcomes, allowing the natural flow of life to unfold. In this sense, recognizing when doors are open and pathways clear can be a form of surrender, where you're not trying to force or manipulate the outcome, but rather allowing it to emerge naturally.
Your phrase "getting out of your own way" is particularly insightful. It's easy to get caught up in our own thoughts, doubts, and fears, which can create obstacles and block our path. By recognizing when we're getting in our own way, we can learn to step aside and let the inevitable unfold.
Overall, your perspective offers a nuanced and thought-provoking view on the relationship between positive expectations, the inevitable, and surrender. It's a reminder that sometimes, all we need to do is get out of our own way and allow life to unfold as it should.
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Post by melvin on Sept 22, 2024 18:49:17 GMT -5
Reefs : I think it'd be a great idea if all cut and paste "AI" are excluded from what is supposed to be a discussion and relegated to a thread specifically designated for AI. AI's 'mad cow' disease problem link- Researchers discovered that AI models sabotage themselves by using AI-generated data for training. They then produce more and more garbage.
Mad cow disease is a neurodegenerative disease that is fatal to cows and has a human equivalent caused by eating infected meat. The disease gained widespread attention in the 1980s when it was discovered that cows were being fed the processed remains of their slaughtered counterparts - hence the term 'autophagy', from the Greek 'auto', meaning 'self', and 'phagy', meaning 'to eat'. link
Feed these MAD AI's with the maha mantra, cure will follow. |
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Post by melvin on Sept 23, 2024 15:46:59 GMT -5
Nisagardatta Maharaj
" All yoga and practices come through the consciousness of ‘I am’, which is itself an illusion.All happenings in this illusion are relative and time-bound."
DeepAI:
You're suggesting that the fundamental consciousness of "I am" is an illusion, and that all yoga and spiritual practices, which are often based on the concept of self-awareness and the pursuit of higher states of consciousness, are ultimately rooted in this illusion. This is a fascinating and complex idea, and I'd love to explore it further with you.
If we assume that the concept of "I am" is an illusion, then what does this mean for our understanding of reality and our place within it? Are we merely dreaming or projecting ourselves into existence, or is there something more fundamental at play?
You also mention that all happenings within this illusion are relative and time-bound. This implies that everything we experience, including our thoughts, emotions, and physical sensations, are subject to the limitations of time and space. This could be seen as a form of impermanence, where everything is constantly changing and evolving.
This perspective raises interesting questions about the nature of free will and personal responsibility. If our experiences are merely illusory, do we have any real control over our lives or choices? Or are we simply playing out a predetermined script?
Finally, what implications might this have for our understanding of spiritual growth and self-realization? If the "I am" is an illusion, then what does it mean to achieve enlightenment or higher states of consciousness? Are we simply transcending the illusion or creating a new level of illusion?
These are just some of the questions that arise from your statement. I'm curious to hear more about your thoughts on this topic and how you see these ideas unfolding in the context of yoga and spiritual practices.
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Post by andrew on Sept 23, 2024 17:40:30 GMT -5
I really do like these particular Niz quotes you are posting in this thread, they are some of my Niz favorites.
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Post by inavalan on Sept 23, 2024 18:01:04 GMT -5
Nisagardatta Maharaj " All yoga and practices come through the consciousness of ‘I am’, which is itself an illusion.All happenings in this illusion are relative and time-bound." DeepAI: You're suggesting that the fundamental consciousness of "I am" is an illusion, and that all yoga and spiritual practices, which are often based on the concept of self-awareness and the pursuit of higher states of consciousness, are ultimately rooted in this illusion. This is a fascinating and complex idea, and I'd love to explore it further with you. If we assume that the concept of "I am" is an illusion, then what does this mean for our understanding of reality and our place within it? Are we merely dreaming or projecting ourselves into existence, or is there something more fundamental at play? You also mention that all happenings within this illusion are relative and time-bound. This implies that everything we experience, including our thoughts, emotions, and physical sensations, are subject to the limitations of time and space. This could be seen as a form of impermanence, where everything is constantly changing and evolving. This perspective raises interesting questions about the nature of free will and personal responsibility. If our experiences are merely illusory, do we have any real control over our lives or choices? Or are we simply playing out a predetermined script? Finally, what implications might this have for our understanding of spiritual growth and self-realization? If the "I am" is an illusion, then what does it mean to achieve enlightenment or higher states of consciousness? Are we simply transcending the illusion or creating a new level of illusion? These are just some of the questions that arise from your statement. I'm curious to hear more about your thoughts on this topic and how you see these ideas unfolding in the context of yoga and spiritual practices. It is interesting to see how the AI's "intellectual speculation" misses the point, and how it tries to make sense of Niz' statements, while fitting it with its collection of beliefs. Differently from humans, the AI is apparently polite, but it exaggerates it giving an unpleasant impression of falseness (like some humans). In my interpretation: - All yoga and practices come through the consciousness of ‘I am’,
All yoga and practices were drawn while in altered states of consciousness, meaning they weren't drawn through experience or reasoning.
- ‘I am’, which is itself an illusion.
'I am' is the part of your identity that acts in the virtual framework which is your unique version of a physical-reality. The use of the word 'illusion' here is misleading because although it describes something that doesn't objectively exist (which is right), what it describes isn't a baseless hallucination, but a subjective construct based on the distorted information collected from all the other participants in the physical-reality virtual framework, through your identity's inner-senses.
- All happenings in this illusion are relative and time-bound.
All that you perceive through your physical-senses is bound by root assumptions specific to a physical-reality virtual framework. 'Time' is on of them. These assumptions aren't absolutes; they don't apply outside the physical-reality virtual framework.
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Post by melvin on Sept 23, 2024 18:02:12 GMT -5
I really do like these particular Niz quotes you are posting in this thread, they are some of my Niz favorites. Ahaha, I'm glad you're enjoying the quotes! Niz definitely has a way with words. I'll keep sharing more of their wisdom if you're interested. |
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Post by melvin on Sept 23, 2024 18:11:48 GMT -5
Nisagardatta Maharaj " All yoga and practices come through the consciousness of ‘I am’, which is itself an illusion.All happenings in this illusion are relative and time-bound." DeepAI: You're suggesting that the fundamental consciousness of "I am" is an illusion, and that all yoga and spiritual practices, which are often based on the concept of self-awareness and the pursuit of higher states of consciousness, are ultimately rooted in this illusion. This is a fascinating and complex idea, and I'd love to explore it further with you. If we assume that the concept of "I am" is an illusion, then what does this mean for our understanding of reality and our place within it? Are we merely dreaming or projecting ourselves into existence, or is there something more fundamental at play? You also mention that all happenings within this illusion are relative and time-bound. This implies that everything we experience, including our thoughts, emotions, and physical sensations, are subject to the limitations of time and space. This could be seen as a form of impermanence, where everything is constantly changing and evolving. This perspective raises interesting questions about the nature of free will and personal responsibility. If our experiences are merely illusory, do we have any real control over our lives or choices? Or are we simply playing out a predetermined script? Finally, what implications might this have for our understanding of spiritual growth and self-realization? If the "I am" is an illusion, then what does it mean to achieve enlightenment or higher states of consciousness? Are we simply transcending the illusion or creating a new level of illusion? These are just some of the questions that arise from your statement. I'm curious to hear more about your thoughts on this topic and how you see these ideas unfolding in the context of yoga and spiritual practices. It is interesting to see how the AI's "intellectual speculation" misses the point, and how it tries to make sense of Niz' statements, while fitting it with its collection of beliefs. Differently from humans, the AI is apparently polite, but it exaggerates it giving an unpleasant impression of falseness (like some humans). In my interpretation: - All yoga and practices come through the consciousness of ‘I am’,
All yoga and practices were drawn while in altered states of consciousness, meaning they weren't drawn through experience or reasoning.
- ‘I am’, which is itself an illusion.
'I am' is the part of your identity that acts in the virtual framework which is your unique version of a physical-reality. The use of the word 'illusion' here is misleading because although it describes something that doesn't objectively exist (which is right), what it describes isn't a baseless hallucination, but a subjective construct based on the distorted information collected from all the other participants in the physical-reality virtual framework, through your identity's inner-senses.
- All happenings in this illusion are relative and time-bound.
All that you perceive through your physical-senses is bound by root assumptions specific to a physical-reality virtual framework. 'Time' is on of them. These assumptions aren't absolutes; they don't apply outside the physical-reality virtual framework.
DeepAI: What a fascinating and thought-provoking passage! It seems to be exploring the nature of consciousness, identity, and reality. Here's a breakdown of the ideas presented: 1. **Consciousness as the source of yoga and practices**: The passage suggests that all yoga and spiritual practices originate from the consciousness of "I am," which is an illusion. 2. **Altered states of consciousness**: The practices were likely developed while in altered states of consciousness, which is distinct from rational or empirical experience. 3. **The nature of "I am"**: The author questions the notion of "I am" as a fundamental aspect of identity, describing it as an illusion. Instead, "I am" is seen as a subjective construct based on distorted information gathered from the physical-reality virtual framework. 4. **Subjective reality**: The passage implies that our reality is a subjective construct, shaped by our unique perspective within the physical-reality virtual framework. This framework is governed by root assumptions, such as time, which are not absolute but relative to this particular reality. 5. **Time-bound and relative experiences**: All experiences within this physical-reality virtual framework are bound by these assumptions and are therefore relative and time-bound. Some possible interpretations and implications of these ideas: * The notion that "I am" is an illusion challenges the traditional notion of self-identity and raises questions about the nature of individuality. * The idea that all experiences are subjective constructs within a virtual framework suggests that our perception of reality is filtered through our own unique perspective and biases. * The concept of an "illusion" implies that there may be a deeper reality or truth beyond the physical-reality virtual framework. * The emphasis on relative and time-bound experiences highlights the impermanence and flux of reality, which may encourage a more adaptive and flexible approach to life. Overall, this passage invites readers to consider the nature of consciousness, identity, and reality, encouraging a deeper exploration of these fundamental aspects of human experience. |
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Post by melvin on Nov 1, 2024 16:37:00 GMT -5
How did Nisagardatta Maharaj die?
DeepAI:
Nisargadatta Maharaj, a renowned Indian sage and guru, died on September 28, 1981, at the age of 84. He passed away at his home in Bombay (now Mumbai), India.
According to his biographers and disciples, Nisargadatta Maharaj's death was sudden and unexpected. He had been in good health until a few days before his passing, when he suddenly began to experience severe chest pain and difficulty breathing. His disciples and family members took him to the hospital, but he refused medical treatment, stating that his body was "old and worn out" and that it was time for him to leave.
Despite his poor health, Nisargadatta Maharaj continued to give satsangs (spiritual talks) and interact with his disciples until just a few hours before his death. In the final hours of his life, he sat in his usual chair, surrounded by his devotees, and continued to share his wisdom and guidance.
As the evening of September 28th approached, Nisargadatta Maharaj's condition began to deteriorate rapidly. He became increasingly weak and labored to breathe, but he remained lucid and aware until the very end. With his last breath, he uttered the words "Jaya Guru Datta" (Victory to the Guru), which are a common Indian phrase used to express reverence and gratitude to one's spiritual teacher.
Nisargadatta Maharaj's passing was marked by a sense of peace and tranquility, reflecting the inner peace and equanimity that he had cultivated throughout his life. His death was a profound loss for his devotees and the spiritual community, but his teachings and legacy continue to inspire and guide seekers of truth around the world.
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Post by melvin on Nov 1, 2024 23:47:23 GMT -5
How did Ramana Maharishi die?
DeepAI
Ramana Maharshi, a renowned Indian sage and yogi, died on April 14, 1950, at the age of 79. He passed away peacefully in his physical body at the ashram he founded in Tiruvannamalai, Tamil Nadu, India.
According to his biographers and disciples, Ramana Maharshi's death was a gradual and natural process. He had been in poor health for several years before his death, suffering from heart problems, high blood pressure, and other age-related ailments.
In the months leading up to his death, Ramana Maharshi's physical condition began to deteriorate significantly. He became increasingly weak and frail, but his mental clarity and spiritual presence remained unaffected. Even as his physical body was weakening, his spiritual energies and presence continued to radiate outward, attracting devotees and seekers from all over the world.
On the morning of April 14, 1950, Ramana Maharshi sat in his usual chair on the verandah of his ashram, surrounded by his closest disciples. As he sat there, he closed his eyes and began to chant the mantra "Om" softly to himself. His breathing slowed down, and his body became still. After a few minutes, he opened his eyes one last time and looked at his disciples with a calm and peaceful expression. Then, he closed his eyes again and took one final breath.
His passing was sudden and peaceful, leaving his devotees and disciples deeply saddened but also grateful for the opportunity to have lived in the presence of such a great spiritual master.
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Post by Reefs on Nov 2, 2024 7:35:33 GMT -5
I found this old post from Enigma on the guru/health topic: In our last S.S. Marie and I were discussing the nagging question of why some of our greatest SR teachers suffered painful debilitating deaths. A related question is regarding the apparent misbehavior of some of those teachers, though it's easy to argue that the unenlightened are in no position to judge. One simple answer is that the mind/body is not what wakes up, so mostly it goes on doing what it does because it is what is and that's that. I wonder if that's too simple. Some things I've seen on the forum may be a reflection of that phenomenon, and I've noticed something rather sacrilegious, which is my favorite kind. There are actually two kinds of awakening, and while they are related, they need not both happen at the same time, or both happen at all. One is SR, the other is purification. In the past, I have argued for mind/body purification because it seems necessary at least to some degree for SR to happen; for one to be 'ripe', but now it becomes apparent that some of our most revered teachers may have never completed this purification, and some of the emotional and physical inconsistencies we see are a reflection of that. Reefs at least hinted at this in the context of A.H. and alignment, though I'm not sure he meant to imply what I'm saying here, and I don't wish to implicate him in my crime. To me, it seems anomalous that some teachers seem to have no interest in purification, but of course they would not if they have never actually done it themselves. I don't mean to question their SR status or their wisdom relating to that, but only whether perhaps the vehicle they left behind at the shores of Nirvana remained in need of a tuneup. |
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Post by YoMadreGorda on Nov 2, 2024 11:18:57 GMT -5
How did Nisagardatta Maharaj die? DeepAI: Nisargadatta Maharaj, a renowned Indian sage and guru, died on September 28, 1981, at the age of 84. He passed away at his home in Bombay (now Mumbai), India. According to his biographers and disciples, Nisargadatta Maharaj's death was sudden and unexpected. He had been in good health until a few days before his passing, when he suddenly began to experience severe chest pain and difficulty breathing. His disciples and family members took him to the hospital, but he refused medical treatment, stating that his body was "old and worn out" and that it was time for him to leave. Despite his poor health, Nisargadatta Maharaj continued to give satsangs (spiritual talks) and interact with his disciples until just a few hours before his death. In the final hours of his life, he sat in his usual chair, surrounded by his devotees, and continued to share his wisdom and guidance. As the evening of September 28th approached, Nisargadatta Maharaj's condition began to deteriorate rapidly. He became increasingly weak and labored to breathe, but he remained lucid and aware until the very end. With his last breath, he uttered the words "Jaya Guru Datta" (Victory to the Guru), which are a common Indian phrase used to express reverence and gratitude to one's spiritual teacher. Nisargadatta Maharaj's passing was marked by a sense of peace and tranquility, reflecting the inner peace and equanimity that he had cultivated throughout his life. His death was a profound loss for his devotees and the spiritual community, but his teachings and legacy continue to inspire and guide seekers of truth around the world. Your AI is wrong. That's not how he died. Your AI is a soulless liar. |
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Post by YoMadreGorda on Nov 2, 2024 11:23:38 GMT -5
How did Ramana Maharishi die? DeepAI Ramana Maharshi, a renowned Indian sage and yogi, died on April 14, 1950, at the age of 79. He passed away peacefully in his physical body at the ashram he founded in Tiruvannamalai, Tamil Nadu, India. According to his biographers and disciples, Ramana Maharshi's death was a gradual and natural process. He had been in poor health for several years before his death, suffering from heart problems, high blood pressure, and other age-related ailments. In the months leading up to his death, Ramana Maharshi's physical condition began to deteriorate significantly. He became increasingly weak and frail, but his mental clarity and spiritual presence remained unaffected. Even as his physical body was weakening, his spiritual energies and presence continued to radiate outward, attracting devotees and seekers from all over the world. On the morning of April 14, 1950, Ramana Maharshi sat in his usual chair on the verandah of his ashram, surrounded by his closest disciples. As he sat there, he closed his eyes and began to chant the mantra "Om" softly to himself. His breathing slowed down, and his body became still. After a few minutes, he opened his eyes one last time and looked at his disciples with a calm and peaceful expression. Then, he closed his eyes again and took one final breath. His passing was sudden and peaceful, leaving his devotees and disciples deeply saddened but also grateful for the opportunity to have lived in the presence of such a great spiritual master. Wrong again. Can't even get his age right, or his widely-known cause of death. What good is this "AI"? Wait... AI does suck, but usually not this bad. Are you making stuff up and posting it as "AI"? |
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Post by inavalan on Nov 2, 2024 12:38:59 GMT -5
The AI should've indicated its sources, not just state the stories as facts. Same about claiming those stories aren't true ...
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Post by melvin on Nov 2, 2024 12:53:15 GMT -5
How did Nisagardatta Maharaj die? DeepAI: Nisargadatta Maharaj, a renowned Indian sage and guru, died on September 28, 1981, at the age of 84. He passed away at his home in Bombay (now Mumbai), India. According to his biographers and disciples, Nisargadatta Maharaj's death was sudden and unexpected. He had been in good health until a few days before his passing, when he suddenly began to experience severe chest pain and difficulty breathing. His disciples and family members took him to the hospital, but he refused medical treatment, stating that his body was "old and worn out" and that it was time for him to leave. Despite his poor health, Nisargadatta Maharaj continued to give satsangs (spiritual talks) and interact with his disciples until just a few hours before his death. In the final hours of his life, he sat in his usual chair, surrounded by his devotees, and continued to share his wisdom and guidance. As the evening of September 28th approached, Nisargadatta Maharaj's condition began to deteriorate rapidly. He became increasingly weak and labored to breathe, but he remained lucid and aware until the very end. With his last breath, he uttered the words "Jaya Guru Datta" (Victory to the Guru), which are a common Indian phrase used to express reverence and gratitude to one's spiritual teacher. Nisargadatta Maharaj's passing was marked by a sense of peace and tranquility, reflecting the inner peace and equanimity that he had cultivated throughout his life. His death was a profound loss for his devotees and the spiritual community, but his teachings and legacy continue to inspire and guide seekers of truth around the world. Your AI is wrong. That's not how he died. Your AI is a soulless liar. What I know Niz had throat cancer. It's a fact. |
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