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Post by Gopal on Aug 14, 2024 8:11:31 GMT -5
It's the Autonomic Nervous System that controls bodily functions. What controls the autonomic nervous system? Autonomic nervous system doesn't exist independenly to be controlled. Everything appears, everything that you see, that you feel. There is no outer world in itself. |
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Post by melvin on Aug 14, 2024 10:25:49 GMT -5
It's the Autonomic Nervous System that controls bodily functions. What controls the autonomic nervous system? The Autonomic Nervous System is primarily controlled by the hypothalamus, brain stem and spinal cord which are parts of the Central Nervous System. |
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Post by inavalan on Aug 14, 2024 18:16:19 GMT -5
Are Telepathy, Clairvoyance and 'Hearing' Possible in Utero; Suggestive Evidence as Revealed During Hypnotic by David B. Cheek, MDPublication info: Pre- and Peri-natal Psychology Journal 7. 2 (Winter 1992): 125-137. ProQuest document linkABSTRACT: Evidence supplied through age-regression studies of adults based on a combination of ideomotor techniques and hypnosis suggests that telepathy, clairvoyance and some form of hearing are perceptions available to the human fetus from the emotional moment its mother knows she is pregnant onward. Fetal interpretation of maternal communications may be mistaken as rejection. Telepathic commands between mother and immature young probably have survival value for lower mammals. The mechanism for silent warning and absolute obedience needs completion before birth. Search methods and ways of reframing negative imprints are presented. ... quite accidentally found that a young lady was able to report her significant experience during her fifth month of intrauterine life. Here is her report, to be followed by three others demonstrating what I believe to be extraordinary perceptions of the human fetus. I suggest, from evidence offered by well over 1000 patients and students in demonstrations, that knowledge of maternal thoughts may have survival value for young mammals before they can struggle for themselves without protection. It seems logical also that the communication system is complete prior to birth.
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Post by zendancer on Aug 14, 2024 18:57:55 GMT -5
What controls the autonomic nervous system? Autonomic nervous system doesn't exist independenly to be controlled. Everything appears, everything that you see, that you feel. There is no outer world in itself. Exactly. That was my point. |
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Post by zendancer on Aug 14, 2024 19:00:27 GMT -5
What controls the autonomic nervous system? The Autonomic Nervous System is primarily controlled by the hypothalamus, brain stem and spinal cord which are parts of the Central Nervous System. What is it that imagines this idea? |
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Post by melvin on Aug 14, 2024 19:16:07 GMT -5
Are Telepathy, Clairvoyance and 'Hearing' Possible in Utero; Suggestive Evidence as Revealed During Hypnotic by David B. Cheek, MDPublication info: Pre- and Peri-natal Psychology Journal 7. 2 (Winter 1992): 125-137. ProQuest document linkABSTRACT: Evidence supplied through age-regression studies of adults based on a combination of ideomotor techniques and hypnosis suggests that telepathy, clairvoyance and some form of hearing are perceptions available to the human fetus from the emotional moment its mother knows she is pregnant onward. Fetal interpretation of maternal communications may be mistaken as rejection. Telepathic commands between mother and immature young probably have survival value for lower mammals. The mechanism for silent warning and absolute obedience needs completion before birth. Search methods and ways of reframing negative imprints are presented. ... quite accidentally found that a young lady was able to report her significant experience during her fifth month of intrauterine life. Here is her report, to be followed by three others demonstrating what I believe to be extraordinary perceptions of the human fetus. I suggest, from evidence offered by well over 1000 patients and students in demonstrations, that knowledge of maternal thoughts may have survival value for young mammals before they can struggle for themselves without protection. It seems logical also that the communication system is complete prior to birth. Is it possible to have memories from being in the womb? It is scientifically impossible to remember events before your brain is sufficiently developed to hold on to such memories. People here who have claimed memories in the first couple of years of their lives will have created memories from dreams or other people's recollections. People who claim to remember being in the womb are, to be frank, utterly deluded. - James Portfield, London UK |
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Post by melvin on Aug 14, 2024 19:25:51 GMT -5
The Autonomic Nervous System is primarily controlled by the hypothalamus, brain stem and spinal cord which are parts of the Central Nervous System. What is it that imagines this idea? Imagination involves a creative division of the mind which is used to develop theories and ideas based on its functioning. |
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Post by andrew on Aug 14, 2024 20:06:44 GMT -5
I see a valid point in here, one that has been discussed many times before. The question is....what is the precise line between responding to, or following, a bodily impulse of 'hunger'......and what Gopal means by 'chasing'? I think we could probably intellectually articulate a precise line, and that may be useful, but outside of concepts, I'm not sure it's a precise line, it's more a shades of grey situation. Whether it's eating food, going pee, making love, going for a walk, putting music on....these are all triggered by internal impulses that we respond to, or follow....but which we could also 'chase'. Maybe the conceptual distinction here is 'follow' and 'chase'. Perhaps 'follow' is a healthy response, and 'chase' is driven more by emotional hurt/fear. Maybe 'follow' is a healthy ego response, and 'chase' is an unhealthy ego response. Maybe 'react' is an unhealthy response, and 'respond' is an intuitive response. Seems like there's always many ways to talk about things. It reminds me of Vamana, the dwarf incarnation of Visnu, who desired to own a piece of land from Bali's kingdom for only 3 steps. Bali laughed. But ultimately granted the dwarf his wish. When Vamana made his first step, it covered Bali's entire kingdom. Bali was shocked. The dwarf made his second step, it covered the whole world and the entire universe. When Bali saw this, he immediately knew it was Vishnu himself disguised as the dwarf Vamana. Humbled, Bali asked the dwarf Vamana why not place his third step on former's head instead. The moral lesson of this story teaches us not to be proud of our possessions. That these acquisitions are not really ours but from the Absolute Truth, and not to understimate one whom we feel is inferior to us. We all have desires, it is a fact. Chasing them may put us into some unfavorable situations. But not all. Some outcomes may not be that but this. Mukti, perhaps? I agree we all have desires, though a clear definition of 'desire' might be useful...maybe distinguishing 'desire' from 'want' and 'need'. But when spiritual folks speak of 'desirelessness', I feel there is a useful sentiment to that. It's about 'coming empty'. It's about being in allowance of life leading the way. |
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Post by andrew on Aug 14, 2024 20:11:08 GMT -5
Agree, though 2 year olds are massive chasers of external things, even babies chase for material and emotional comfort, so ''one day'' is very early in our lives. Those are all acceptable. They don’t qualify as chasing since there’s no goal involved and no plan has been devised. Could you give more detail about 'goals' and 'devised plans' here? For example, 2 year olds can have 'goals' to get things they want. And in getting them, they get the emotional state they want. They probably aren't consciously thinking about the emotional state, but the emotional state of 'satisfaction' is still what they want. Whether it's a specific toy, or a particular drink....2 year olds can be pretty smart at getting what they want, and using emotion to get it. So maybe a bit further clarification would be useful, if you feel like it. |
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Post by melvin on Aug 15, 2024 1:23:18 GMT -5
It reminds me of Vamana, the dwarf incarnation of Visnu, who desired to own a piece of land from Bali's kingdom for only 3 steps. Bali laughed. But ultimately granted the dwarf his wish. When Vamana made his first step, it covered Bali's entire kingdom. Bali was shocked. The dwarf made his second step, it covered the whole world and the entire universe. When Bali saw this, he immediately knew it was Vishnu himself disguised as the dwarf Vamana. Humbled, Bali asked the dwarf Vamana why not place his third step on former's head instead. The moral lesson of this story teaches us not to be proud of our possessions. That these acquisitions are not really ours but from the Absolute Truth, and not to understimate one whom we feel is inferior to us. We all have desires, it is a fact. Chasing them may put us into some unfavorable situations. But not all. Some outcomes may not be that but this. Mukti, perhaps? I agree we all have desires, though a clear definition of 'desire' might be useful...maybe distinguishing 'desire' from 'want' and 'need'. But when spiritual folks speak of 'desirelessness', I feel there is a useful sentiment to that. It's about 'coming empty'. It's about being in allowance of life leading the way. I experimented on no desire, want or need. Without effort, the things you did not want, need or desire appeared before me for the taking. Did I take them? Yes, without ado. You just can't refuse a good offer even if you really don't feel asking from All That Is. It's a catch 22 thing, you know. I always do, even if I be damned. |
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Post by inavalan on Aug 15, 2024 2:10:00 GMT -5
Are Telepathy, Clairvoyance and 'Hearing' Possible in Utero; Suggestive Evidence as Revealed During Hypnotic by David B. Cheek, MDPublication info: Pre- and Peri-natal Psychology Journal 7. 2 (Winter 1992): 125-137. ProQuest document linkABSTRACT: Evidence supplied through age-regression studies of adults based on a combination of ideomotor techniques and hypnosis suggests that telepathy, clairvoyance and some form of hearing are perceptions available to the human fetus from the emotional moment its mother knows she is pregnant onward. Fetal interpretation of maternal communications may be mistaken as rejection. Telepathic commands between mother and immature young probably have survival value for lower mammals. The mechanism for silent warning and absolute obedience needs completion before birth. Search methods and ways of reframing negative imprints are presented. ... quite accidentally found that a young lady was able to report her significant experience during her fifth month of intrauterine life. Here is her report, to be followed by three others demonstrating what I believe to be extraordinary perceptions of the human fetus. I suggest, from evidence offered by well over 1000 patients and students in demonstrations, that knowledge of maternal thoughts may have survival value for young mammals before they can struggle for themselves without protection. It seems logical also that the communication system is complete prior to birth. Is it possible to have memories from being in the womb? It is scientifically impossible to remember events before your brain is sufficiently developed to hold on to such memories. People here who have claimed memories in the first couple of years of their lives will have created memories from dreams or other people's recollections. People who claim to remember being in the womb are, to be frank, utterly deluded. - James Portfield, London UK I disagree. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 15, 2024 5:00:24 GMT -5
Those are all acceptable. They don’t qualify as chasing since there’s no goal involved and no plan has been devised. Could you give more detail about 'goals' and 'devised plans' here? For example, 2 year olds can have 'goals' to get things they want. And in getting them, they get the emotional state they want. They probably aren't consciously thinking about the emotional state, but the emotional state of 'satisfaction' is still what they want. Whether it's a specific toy, or a particular drink....2 year olds can be pretty smart at getting what they want, and using emotion to get it. So maybe a bit further clarification would be useful, if you feel like it. I don't know how to combine posts, but I'm going to essentially give the same answer to two different posts. I have about 15 early memories being with my Grandpa, mostly snapshots, sometimes more. I know these are me no older than 4 years 5 months old, as that's when my Grandpa died. I was pretty good at getting what I wanted. Once I saw a garden shovel in a hardware store, and simply had to have it. Grandpa bought it for me. Later, after Grandpa died, I was with my parents in a toy store. I saw this small grey Viking, about 2 & 1/2 inches tall. Of course I didn't know it was a Viking, but I just had to have it. It had a horn hat, and a sheathed sword. A year or so later a TV show came on, it was my favorite program, The Viking (or Vikings, don't recall). But I later surmised I may have been a Viking in a former life. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 15, 2024 5:51:09 GMT -5
Are Telepathy, Clairvoyance and 'Hearing' Possible in Utero; Suggestive Evidence as Revealed During Hypnotic by David B. Cheek, MDPublication info: Pre- and Peri-natal Psychology Journal 7. 2 (Winter 1992): 125-137. ProQuest document linkABSTRACT: Evidence supplied through age-regression studies of adults based on a combination of ideomotor techniques and hypnosis suggests that telepathy, clairvoyance and some form of hearing are perceptions available to the human fetus from the emotional moment its mother knows she is pregnant onward. Fetal interpretation of maternal communications may be mistaken as rejection. Telepathic commands between mother and immature young probably have survival value for lower mammals. The mechanism for silent warning and absolute obedience needs completion before birth. Search methods and ways of reframing negative imprints are presented. ... quite accidentally found that a young lady was able to report her significant experience during her fifth month of intrauterine life. Here is her report, to be followed by three others demonstrating what I believe to be extraordinary perceptions of the human fetus. I suggest, from evidence offered by well over 1000 patients and students in demonstrations, that knowledge of maternal thoughts may have survival value for young mammals before they can struggle for themselves without protection. It seems logical also that the communication system is complete prior to birth. Is it possible to have memories from being in the womb? It is scientifically impossible to remember events before your brain is sufficiently developed to hold on to such memories. People here who have claimed memories in the first couple of years of their lives will have created memories from dreams or other people's recollections. People who claim to remember being in the womb are, to be frank, utterly deluded. - James Portfield, London UK My former wife remembered being potty trained, I believe her. Our being extends to other levels of reality, our being is not contained in this one life, consciousness in not contained within the physical, does not even originate from the physical. I remember in first grade learning to write, learning what a period is. I remember making my periods, huge, as big as a letter. I wanted to make sure my teacher knew I had ended my sentence. We can write in print, or cursive. In 7th grade I learned to type. There's many different ways of holding information. Right now I'm holding a copy of the post above, in the I don't even remember what it's called, the computer one-bucket short term memory. I'll post it at the appropriate spot. But we have a body of a finer vibratory level, in Yogacara Buddhism it's called the alayavijnana, the storehouse (body). There are hundreds of stories of small children remembering their last life. Some of these have been verified, the kid having enough memories, for parents to actually go and find the family of the recently deceased previous incarnation, details confirmed. So mind extends further than the physical brain. The brain is like a receiver. The computer I'm using now use WiFi, my base is about six feet away, but there is no cat 5 cable joining the two, the signal is going through the air, like broadcast TV of old. Yes, it's still used, I have an inside antenna that's about 6" x 9", I can use it if my cable goes out. It's good for over 200 miles, so I can get all the local broadcast stations, about 40 channels, because every major TV station has "sub-stations". But the point is the programming doesn't originate inside my own TV, it originates elsewhere. Likewise, all my 'programming' doesn't originate with my own brain. It's possible for the brain to connect with the alayavijnana, and even more subtle levels. So, all that gets me to yes, we can have memories from birth, or in the womb, or from other lives even. It's possible "I" was a Viking in a past life, the reason I had such a strong connection, first seeing a Viking, which was just a toy, story below, bolded. I don't know how to combine posts, but I'm going to essentially give the same answer to two different posts. I have about 15 early memories being with my Grandpa, mostly snapshots, sometimes more. I know these are me no older than 4 years 5 months old, as that's when my Grandpa died. I was pretty good at getting what I wanted. Once I saw a garden shovel in a hardware store, and simply had to have it. Grandpa bought it for me. Later, after Grandpa died, I was with my parents in a toy store. I saw this small grey Viking, about 2 & 1/2 inches tall. Of course I didn't know it was a Viking, but I just had to have it. It had a horn hat, and a sheathed sword. A year or so later a TV show came on, it was my favorite program, The Viking (or Vikings, don't recall). But I later surmised I may have been a Viking in a former life. Now, I have other early memories, which would indicate...let's just say I wasn't a baby, long, I have 'adult' memories, so I was never really a child. I always had a sense of being trapped in a child's body, and I had to grow up in order to be free. That doesn't mean I have specific memories from a past life. I'm sure tenka knows exactly what I'm talking about. And andrew too, at least if only second hand. And enigma would know by now, too. I wanted to like everything to get him the message, read to him the Tibetan Book of the Dead, but that felt like an intrusion. ... Did you know there has been only one Dalai Lama? The same ~individual~ passes from life to life, incarnation to incarnation. There is a process, there was in the past, a process to find the new incarnation. The present Dalai Lama has said that maybe he is the last Dalai Lama. He has kind of hinted at maybe it's time for him to retire (my words), that he is done (being the Dalai Lama), there isn't a need for another, as he no longer has a country, to rule. Sorry, this is long, but I'll add a note. While my Viking show was still on, my family went to an ACC basketball game at the Charlotte Coliseum. At halftime *my* Viking, the actor who did the TV program, came out at halftime and did an archery demonstration. I was asleep. Afterwards, my parents told me, I was furious. They said, we tried to wake you up. I was even more furious. I remember thinking: YOU TRIED?!?!? You didn't try very hard. They didn't have a clue how important that would have been to me, it still make me angry  . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_the_Vikings |
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Post by melvin on Aug 15, 2024 6:26:40 GMT -5
Is it possible to have memories from being in the womb? It is scientifically impossible to remember events before your brain is sufficiently developed to hold on to such memories. People here who have claimed memories in the first couple of years of their lives will have created memories from dreams or other people's recollections. People who claim to remember being in the womb are, to be frank, utterly deluded. - James Portfield, London UK I disagree. So, Buddhists were right after all " The notions of memory in Buddhism ranges from remembrance of innumerable past lives through the analyses of mind's ability to store data to " mindfulness " |
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Post by melvin on Aug 15, 2024 6:32:05 GMT -5
Is it possible to have memories from being in the womb? It is scientifically impossible to remember events before your brain is sufficiently developed to hold on to such memories. People here who have claimed memories in the first couple of years of their lives will have created memories from dreams or other people's recollections. People who claim to remember being in the womb are, to be frank, utterly deluded. - James Portfield, London UK My former wife remembered being potty trained, I believe her. Our being extends to other levels of reality, our being is not contained in this one life, consciousness in not contained within the physical, does not even originate from the physical. I remember in first grade learning to write, learning what a period is. I remember making my periods, huge, as big as a letter. I wanted to make sure my teacher knew I had ended my sentence. We can write in print, or cursive. In 7th grade I learned to type. There's many different ways of holding information. Right now I'm holding a copy of the post above, in the I don't even remember what it's called, the computer one-bucket short term memory. I'll post it at the appropriate spot. But we have a body of a finer vibratory level, in Yogacara Buddhism it's called the alayavijnana, the storehouse (body). There are hundreds of stories of small children remembering their last life. Some of these have been verified, the kid having enough memories, for parents to actually go and find the family of the recently deceased previous incarnation, details confirmed. So mind extends further than the physical brain. The brain is like a receiver. The computer I'm using now use WiFi, my base is about six feet away, but there is no cat 5 cable joining the two, the signal is going through the air, like broadcast TV of old. Yes, it's still used, I have an inside antenna that's about 6" x 9", I can use it if my cable goes out. It's good for over 200 miles, so I can get all the local broadcast stations, about 40 channels, because every major TV station has "sub-stations". But the point is the programming doesn't originate inside my own TV, it originates elsewhere. Likewise, all my 'programming' doesn't originate with my own brain. It's possible for the brain to connect with the alayavijnana, and even more subtle levels. So, all that gets me to yes, we can have memories from birth, or in the womb, or from other lives even. It's possible "I" was a Viking in a past life, the reason I had such a strong connection, first seeing a Viking, which was just a toy, story below, bolded. I don't know how to combine posts, but I'm going to essentially give the same answer to two different posts. I have about 15 early memories being with my Grandpa, mostly snapshots, sometimes more. I know these are me no older than 4 years 5 months old, as that's when my Grandpa died. I was pretty good at getting what I wanted. Once I saw a garden shovel in a hardware store, and simply had to have it. Grandpa bought it for me. Later, after Grandpa died, I was with my parents in a toy store. I saw this small grey Viking, about 2 & 1/2 inches tall. Of course I didn't know it was a Viking, but I just had to have it. It had a horn hat, and a sheathed sword. A year or so later a TV show came on, it was my favorite program, The Viking (or Vikings, don't recall). But I later surmised I may have been a Viking in a former life. Now, I have other early memories, which would indicate...let's just say I wasn't a baby, long, I have 'adult' memories, so I was never really a child. I always had a sense of being trapped in a child's body, and I had to grow up in order to be free. That doesn't mean I have specific memories from a past life. I'm sure tenka knows exactly what I'm talking about. And andrew too, at least if only second hand. And enigma would know by now, too. I wanted to like everything to get him the message, read to him the Tibetan Book of the Dead, but that felt like an intrusion. ... Did you know there has been only one Dalai Lama? The same ~individual~ passes from life to life, incarnation to incarnation. There is a process, there was in the past, a process to find the new incarnation. The present Dalai Lama has said that maybe he is the last Dalai Lama. He has kind of hinted at maybe it's time for him to retire (my words), that he is done (being the Dalai Lama), there isn't a need for another, as he no longer has a country, to rule. Sorry, this is long, but I'll add a note. While my Viking show was still on, my family went to an ACC basketball game at the Charlotte Coliseum. At halftime *my* Viking, the actor who did the TV program, came out at halftime and did an archery demonstration. I was asleep. Afterwards, my parents told me, I was furious. They said, we tried to wake you up. I was even more furious. I remember thinking: YOU TRIED?!?!? You didn't try very hard. They didn't have a clue how important that would have been to me, it still make me angry . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_the_Vikings So, Buddhists were right after all " The notions of memory in Buddhism ranges from remembrance of innumerable past lives through the analyses of mind's ability to store data to " mindfulness " |
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