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Post by justlikeyou on Aug 12, 2024 21:42:17 GMT -5
You die, no chasing, no problem. As long as I exist, chasing never ends. Of course, you could die before you die and that too would solve your problem. |
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Post by melvin on Aug 12, 2024 23:22:35 GMT -5
You die, no chasing, no problem. As long as I exist, chasing never ends. Of course, you could die before you die and that too would solve your problem. What it means to “die before you die” is to face this idea of being mortal, having an end, and realize it for the illusion that it is. If you realize yourself as eternal being, you have symbolically already died. It is facing the fear of death and realizing that death actually isn't real. Buddhism does not believe in eternal beings. |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 12, 2024 23:57:28 GMT -5
Life flows smoothly without our conscious effort. Then, one day, we begin to crave external things and emotional states, and that’s when chaos starts to infiltrate our lives. Unfortunately, we lack the power to halt this pursuit we’ve initiated. As life progresses, this chase takes on various forms until one day we realize that all the turmoil in our lives stems from chasing anything other than the present moment Agree, though 2 year olds are massive chasers of external things, even babies chase for material and emotional comfort, so ''one day'' is very early in our lives. Those are all acceptable. They don’t qualify as chasing since there’s no goal involved and no plan has been devised. |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 13, 2024 0:01:14 GMT -5
Look at the bolder line. How did you do that? And also, realizing the problem of chasing is not enough? Somehow "All That Is" can apprehend Itself in a direct and undivided state. It cannot be known how that happens. That's very clear. No doubt over there. That is what I have written first that since it's viewing through the eyes, it thinks I am here and something is out there. So It seeks to attain something without realizing the fact that everything is arising from 'All That Is'. I don't know that. But what I know from my experience is, it can know everything moves by itself. I believe we both are agreeing in this place. Finally, we found some agreement. |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 13, 2024 0:04:21 GMT -5
In Buddhism, desire and ignorance lie at the root of suffering. By desire, Buddhists refer to craving pleasure, material goods, and immortality, all of which are wants that can never be satisfied. As a result, desiring them can only bring suffering. I am aware that if I become desireless, craving for something stops. Would that make my problems of existing stop? Yes, by not doing anything. That means I stop eating, drinking and breathing. By doing so, I will die. My body dies. It is told those who are buried in cemeteries are the very ones who are devoid of problems. Those who continue to exist will always have problems. The chasing never stops. Why? Due to the desires. Desire, chase, problem. You die, no chasing, no problem. As long as I exist, chasing never ends. No, when we were children, we didn’t chase after experiences; everything was beautiful as it was. From the moment we began seeking specific states or experiences, we attracted unnecessary problems that needed solving. ‘All That Is’ doesn’t need to solve anything; it creates reality in any way it desires. Once it sees through the illusion, it effortlessly solves problems by reconstructing reality differently |
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Post by laughter on Aug 13, 2024 1:02:38 GMT -5
Of course, you could die before you die and that too would solve your problem. What it means to “die before you die” is to face this idea of being mortal, having an end, and realize it for the illusion that it is. If you realize yourself as eternal being, you have symbolically already died. It is facing the fear of death and realizing that death actually isn't real. Buddhism does not believe in eternal beings. Death is a thing, and a significant thing at that. It's just not what most people think it is.  |
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Post by melvin on Aug 13, 2024 2:18:32 GMT -5
In Buddhism, desire and ignorance lie at the root of suffering. By desire, Buddhists refer to craving pleasure, material goods, and immortality, all of which are wants that can never be satisfied. As a result, desiring them can only bring suffering. I am aware that if I become desireless, craving for something stops. Would that make my problems of existing stop? Yes, by not doing anything. That means I stop eating, drinking and breathing. By doing so, I will die. My body dies. It is told those who are buried in cemeteries are the very ones who are devoid of problems. Those who continue to exist will always have problems. The chasing never stops. Why? Due to the desires. Desire, chase, problem. You die, no chasing, no problem. As long as I exist, chasing never ends. No, when we were children, we didn’t chase after experiences; everything was beautiful as it was. From the moment we began seeking specific states or experiences, we attracted unnecessary problems that needed solving. ‘All That Is’ doesn’t need to solve anything; it creates reality in any way it desires. Once it sees through the illusion, it effortlessly solves problems by reconstructing reality differently A newborn child craves for air, mother's milk, warmth. Chasing this and that to live. Nurturement, until it can survive on its own. |
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Post by melvin on Aug 13, 2024 2:26:57 GMT -5
What it means to “die before you die” is to face this idea of being mortal, having an end, and realize it for the illusion that it is. If you realize yourself as eternal being, you have symbolically already died. It is facing the fear of death and realizing that death actually isn't real. Buddhism does not believe in eternal beings. Death is a thing, and a significant thing at that. It's just not what most people think it is. Death is simply the cessation of life. As long as I exists, chasing never ends. I am is another thing. 😁 |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 13, 2024 7:28:44 GMT -5
No, when we were children, we didn’t chase after experiences; everything was beautiful as it was. From the moment we began seeking specific states or experiences, we attracted unnecessary problems that needed solving. ‘All That Is’ doesn’t need to solve anything; it creates reality in any way it desires. Once it sees through the illusion, it effortlessly solves problems by reconstructing reality differently A newborn child craves for air, mother's milk, warmth. Chasing this and that to live. Nurturement, until it can survive on its own. This is what I was writing to Andrew as well. That was not the kind of chase which I am talking about. Chasing a desired state (happy, peace, enlightenment). Planning to attain a goal. Getting rid of something from your experience. That is called chasing. You are wishing to eat something, that's not chasing, you can go to the shop and eat the very thing you desire for. |
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Post by melvin on Aug 13, 2024 8:20:45 GMT -5
A newborn child craves for air, mother's milk, warmth. Chasing this and that to live. Nurturement, until it can survive on its own. This is what I was writing to Andrew as well. That was not the kind of chase which I am talking about. Chasing a desired state (happy, peace, enlightenment). Planning to attain a goal. Getting rid of something from your experience. That is called chasing. You are wishing to eat something, that's not chasing, you can go to the shop and eat the very thing you desire for. I guess your definition of chasing seemed to jibe with Buddha's Eightfold Path consisting of eight practices: right view, right resolve, right speech, right conduct, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right samadhi ('meditative absorption or union'; alternatively, equanimous meditative awareness) in order to achieve a desired goal or something. |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 13, 2024 11:03:40 GMT -5
This is what I was writing to Andrew as well. That was not the kind of chase which I am talking about. Chasing a desired state (happy, peace, enlightenment). Planning to attain a goal. Getting rid of something from your experience. That is called chasing. You are wishing to eat something, that's not chasing, you can go to the shop and eat the very thing you desire for. I guess your definition of chasing seemed to jibe with Buddha's Eightfold Path consisting of eight practices: right view, right resolve, right speech, right conduct, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right samadhi ('meditative absorption or union'; alternatively, equanimous meditative awareness) in order to achieve a desired goal or something. If you are chasing something which is out of your control, then you understand what I mean here. |
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Post by melvin on Aug 13, 2024 11:19:23 GMT -5
I guess your definition of chasing seemed to jibe with Buddha's Eightfold Path consisting of eight practices: right view, right resolve, right speech, right conduct, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right samadhi ('meditative absorption or union'; alternatively, equanimous meditative awareness) in order to achieve a desired goal or something. If you are chasing something which is out of your control, then you understand what I mean here. Is the chasing has something to do with marital relationship or financial security? |
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Post by tenka on Aug 13, 2024 13:27:22 GMT -5
I totally agree, but "the All That Is" is what determines whether one chases anything. As Enigma used to say, "God (in the form of a human) falls into his own dream, and imagines separateness." The "All That Is" is what prompts one to meditate or not to meditate, chase or not to chase, imagine one thing or another, and it is "the All That Is" that can wake up from the dream of separateness and realize that there is nothing to chase. As Zen Masters like to say, "Your everyday life is the Way," and that is true regardless of what someone does. Realizing that chasing is a fundamental problem is a major realization. However, the most mind-boggling realization involves apprehending the "All That Is" directly." That totally puts the mind to rest, and one discovers that what one IS IS the "All That Is" in the form of being human and having a human perspective. "All That Is" looks out of the eyes of every creature, and if Federico Fellini is correct, the intelligence of "All That Is" permeates all of reality, including the subatomic realm. All that we can say about waking up from the dream of separateness is that silence and meditative activities are highly correlated with existential realizations. When the fish dies, its body disintegrates, and the water that once gave it life returns to the ocean. The temporary separation ends, and the essence of the fish—the water—merges back with its source. The water was never truly separate; it was always part of the ocean, only inhabiting the form of the fish for a brief time. I think a lot of non dualists with this understanding will be surprised when their physical body is transcended, to find themselves as the wave still. |
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Post by tenka on Aug 13, 2024 13:28:37 GMT -5
I guess your definition of chasing seemed to jibe with Buddha's Eightfold Path consisting of eight practices: right view, right resolve, right speech, right conduct, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right samadhi ('meditative absorption or union'; alternatively, equanimous meditative awareness) in order to achieve a desired goal or something. If you are chasing something which is out of your control, then you understand what I mean here. What would be out of your control if there is only One? |
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Post by tenka on Aug 13, 2024 13:31:19 GMT -5
No, when we were children, we didn’t chase after experiences; everything was beautiful as it was. From the moment we began seeking specific states or experiences, we attracted unnecessary problems that needed solving. ‘All That Is’ doesn’t need to solve anything; it creates reality in any way it desires. Once it sees through the illusion, it effortlessly solves problems by reconstructing reality differently A newborn child craves for air, mother's milk, warmth. Chasing this and that to live. Nurturement, until it can survive on its own. I agree. At times the baby analogy is used to reflect prior to mind or prior to conditioning or beliefs. It works in some instances to point towards something but it doesn't work in equal measures too. |
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