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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 21:27:43 GMT -5
What would universe look like If you have realized personal self-hood is illusion and no one is responsible for anything? What if you are living in a universe where you don't have to blame anyone and as a result you don't have to get angry? how that would look like? It would look exactly as it does now. THIS, in the form of humans, can be happy, sad, irritated, angry, compassionate, aloof, etc. even if there are no thoughts at all. However, most humans think ideas that are believed to be true (are attached to), and that adds an extra layer of problematic response. Blame is one of those ideas. You have been immersed in your belief. Ask a simple question, If you know nobody is responsible for what's happening, then why are you angry and for what? Would you go and stab the character who acted in the movie after completing the movie? Don't know that's scripted? |
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Post by inavalan on Jun 19, 2023 21:32:35 GMT -5
Like this... '' This birth of a new Earth will be a world of peace, working within global unity, and in support of all human kind in absolute equality. Our Earth will be governed by an awakened human species without the need for a government or laws. The truth will be lived; not taught.'' Aluna Joy Yaxkin That will never happen. I believe so too. |
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Post by andrew on Jun 19, 2023 21:32:48 GMT -5
Why would you limit existence like that? I know what is truth. If you have been observing me, you would know by now that I never change what I have been speaking. The truth here is that you are limiting existence, and existence cannot be limited (except paradoxically by your own limiting beliefs). Why would you prefer to hold a limiting belief? |
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Post by andrew on Jun 19, 2023 21:34:25 GMT -5
My inner guidance is strong on this matter  There are many dimensions of existence, and certainly (to me) this relatively small reality that we experience does not constitute all that is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 21:39:36 GMT -5
I know what is truth. If you have been observing me, you would know by now that I never change what I have been speaking. The truth here is that you are limiting existence, and existence cannot be limited (except paradoxically by your own limiting beliefs). Why would you prefer to hold a limiting belief? I have 1000s of beliefs in my mind and I am well aware that those are all continue to change. And also I have had a clarity in certain places which will never change and the upcoming clarity won't affect or alter the existing clarity as well. |
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Post by andrew on Jun 19, 2023 21:41:21 GMT -5
The truth here is that you are limiting existence, and existence cannot be limited (except paradoxically by your own limiting beliefs). Why would you prefer to hold a limiting belief? I have 1000s of beliefs in my mind and I am well aware that those are all continue to change. And also I have had a clarity in certain places which will never change and the upcoming clarity won't affect or alter the existing clarity as well. okay, so then why do you prefer to hold a limiting belief that existence must manifest in a very particular form? (the one you currently know/experience) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 21:41:33 GMT -5
I know what is truth. If you have been observing me, you would know by now that I never change what I have been speaking. The truth here is that you are limiting existence, and existence cannot be limited (except paradoxically by your own limiting beliefs). Why would you prefer to hold a limiting belief? Perfectness is right now and here, everything moves around according our inner nature. We are creating the world around us and people in it with our belief and the clarity. New clarity will remove certain people from lives . |
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Post by andrew on Jun 19, 2023 21:44:31 GMT -5
The truth here is that you are limiting existence, and existence cannot be limited (except paradoxically by your own limiting beliefs). Why would you prefer to hold a limiting belief? Perfectness is right now and here, everything moves around according our inner nature. We are creating the world around us and people in it with our belief and the clarity. New clarity will remove certain people from lives . That doesn't answer my question, but if your inner state was PERFECT peace (no blame, no irritation, no upset, no stress etc) then what would the outer expression of that look like? (ultimately inner-outer are one) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 21:48:03 GMT -5
Perfectness is right now and here, everything moves around according our inner nature. We are creating the world around us and people in it with our belief and the clarity. New clarity will remove certain people from lives . That doesn't answer my question, but if your inner state was PERFECT peace (no blame, no irritation, no upset, no stress etc) then what would the outer expression of that look like? (ultimately inner-outer are one) Whole world won't change, only your sphere of experience. |
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Post by andrew on Jun 19, 2023 21:49:17 GMT -5
That doesn't answer my question, but if your inner state was PERFECT peace (no blame, no irritation, no upset, no stress etc) then what would the outer expression of that look like? (ultimately inner-outer are one) Whole world won't change, only your sphere of experience. The whole word is your sphere of experience. You are aware of war between Russia-Ukraine? You are aware of poverty in your country? You are aware that people are raped and mutilated? If not, then you are now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2023 21:51:20 GMT -5
Whole world won't change, only your sphere of experience. The whole word is your sphere of experience. You are aware of war between Russia-Ukraine? You are aware of poverty in your country? You are aware that people are raped and mutilated? If not, then you are now. Think through what I said you will get it. |
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Post by andrew on Jun 19, 2023 21:54:20 GMT -5
The whole word is your sphere of experience. You are aware of war between Russia-Ukraine? You are aware of poverty in your country? You are aware that people are raped and mutilated? If not, then you are now. Think through what I said you will get it. I understood what you said. Do your kids ever get sick at all? You perfectly at peace with that when they do? Does your wife ever get a little irritable with you? Or you her? Do you walk past a homeless person in perfect peace? Does anyone ever get in your way at work and you 'tut' at them? |
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Post by andrew on Jun 19, 2023 22:04:16 GMT -5
The whole word is your sphere of experience. You are aware of war between Russia-Ukraine? You are aware of poverty in your country? You are aware that people are raped and mutilated? If not, then you are now. Think through what I said you will get it. I'd say the core misunderstanding in our world is the belief in 'lack' i.e that resources (whatever that constitutes) are limited. And it's a self-fulfilling belief (as all beliefs are). I find it striking when I see spiritual folks also demonstrating a preference for a belief in the inevitability of 'lack'. |
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Post by inavalan on Jun 19, 2023 22:11:08 GMT -5
My inner guidance is strong on this matter There are many dimensions of existence, and certainly (to me) this relatively small reality that we experience does not constitute all that is. The way I see this ... If I graduate from high-school, then I go to college. If I graduate Earth, then I join a higher level learning framework. Time and space are physical-reality basic assumptions required for our personalities' current level of evolvement. Once we learn here whatever we need to, we don't need those training wheels and drop them; we don't reincarnate in the physical. The physical reality isn't a "place" somewhere, but a framework. Physical-time is a dimension, as physical-space and physical-probability are too. It is like a sandbox that you can enter (incarnate into) whatever point best suits your pre-incarnation plan. For your next life you might decide to incarnate as in a version of the Ancient Greece, or Atlantis, ... Maybe your previous incarnation was during a version of the year 3,000 ... I can't see a need to incarnate on Earth in the idyllic scenario described in your quote, but I accept that I could be wrong about it. Let's not forget that we judge that possibility / wish from the perspective of our current perspective. What might seem like a desirable experience now, might not seem so once we'd get there. |
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Post by andrew on Jun 19, 2023 22:22:01 GMT -5
My inner guidance is strong on this matter There are many dimensions of existence, and certainly (to me) this relatively small reality that we experience does not constitute all that is. The way I see this ... If I graduate from high-school, then I go to college. If I graduate Earth, then I join a higher level learning framework. Time and space are physical-reality basic assumptions required for our personalities' current level of evolvement. Once we learn here whatever we need to, we don't need those training wheels and drop them; we don't reincarnate in the physical. The physical reality isn't a "place" somewhere, but a framework. Physical-time is a dimension, as physical-space and physical-probability are too. It is like a sandbox that you can enter (incarnate into) whatever point best suits your pre-incarnation plan. For your next life you might decide to incarnate as in a version of the Ancient Greece, or Atlantis, ... Maybe your previous incarnation was during a version of the year 3,000 ... I can't see a need to incarnate on Earth in the idyllic scenario described in your quote, but I accept that I could be wrong about it. Let's not forget that we judge that possibility / wish from the perspective of our current perspective. What might seem like a desirable experience now, might not seem so once we'd get there. That's really quite close to my general understanding, though in my understanding, it would be desirable once 'we get there' by definition of what 'there' is. And it would continue to be desirable until that particular growth experience had worn itself out, and we might choose to once again experience the cycle of 'forgetting' and 'remembering' that we experience in this framework. But as said, the 'idyllic' still comes with the potential for growth and learning....and that would be true for dimensions beyond that too. It's just hard to conceive of the growth/learning from where we are now, because we are still in the 'forgetting/remembering' cycle. From our perspective, abiding joy and peace might even seem boring or limiting, but I see this as a sort of 'mental deception', as abiding joy and peace is not static, it's a diamond of infinite subtleties. By definition, it could not be boring. |
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There are many dimensions of existence, and certainly (to me) this relatively small reality that we experience does not constitute all that is.