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Post by inavalan on Sept 26, 2023 17:20:04 GMT -5
The way the "contact with the inner-" works, is that you receive an instantaneous download of information / knowledge, and you put it into words in order to become conscious of it. This always introduces distortions caused by your level of evolvement, by your beliefs, expectations, emotions. Then the more you think about it and reformulate it, the more you distort it. Trying to intellectually make sense of it adds more distortions. To minimize distortions, firstly you have to be aware of the process; secondly, you need to intentionally leave aside the factors that distort, as much as you can. Most people believe that they got it right: Darryl Anka, Jane Roberts, Ramana, JC, ... almost everybody! This is the case with almost everything: time, oneness, no separation, incarnation, everything already exists, ... " Parallel realities" can be understood as parallel instances of a video-game played by multiple players at the same time. It is like an online website where you can play this video-game. There are many people who visit the site at the same time, and who play this same game, make their own choices, so the game sequences vary from a player to another. You can choose to enter the game with different initial data: historical time, geographical space, possible version of reality that satisfy the game's restrictions; you can play it as king, pauper, victim, criminal, whatever characters are available. This means that the same character is played over and over by many players, in different ways, making different choices, with various player skills; the outcomes can be quite different: Haven on Earth, Earth destruction, same character being successful or a looser, dying old or dying young, having children or not, ... Potentially all possibilities are tried by some player, but considering the enormous number of combinations of choices, it seems likely that there are always new scenarios never encountered before. This doesn't mean that "all that is" tries to know itself. It means that the experience accumulated at game level could influence the choices made by other players who encounter the same choices, by subconsciously tapping that knowledge base. As most awake (not sleeping) people aren't aware of their subconscious' works, they are oblivious to that knowledge, and often override their inner guidance that advises them which are the more constructive paths, from the point of view of their personality, and of their whole-self. So, while we experience this reality, in other realities (same time and space, but different possible points of the physical-reality virtual game) there might be no Pyramids, there might be no JC's Christianity, humans might use levitation, telepathy, and / or have other features unknown to us. It is also possible that some of such features have been available, and forgotten.
The way I understand it, our outer-selves (the part of our personality that interacts with the physical / outer reality) could work consciously together with our inner-selves (the part of our personality that interacts with the non-physical / inner reality). We intentionally chose to incarnate into this point of the physical hyperspace where we don't access that connection, not because it isn't available to us, but because we aren't aware of it. To me, this is the best thing we could work on firstly. Regarding what Anka says (even when channeling Bashar), as it is also the case with what everybody else says: It doesn't matter what they say, nor what they intend to say. Those are only symbols for us to intuitively interpret as deep as we are able to, and by also tapping our inner guidance, to improve our choice making, to grow. I think I touched all the points you mentioned (?) actual worlds/realities or that there are infinite other actual worlds/realities? Thanks for your explanation, I read it all, but want to focus on that key point I can't see how 'infinite' is possible, but 'many' is possible if the point of divergence in choice comes from a higher level. The reason I say this is because I can't see how, practically, I could have ever made a different choice to the one I made. So the only way a different choice could have happened is if I was downloaded with a different insight at a given moment, therefore changing the choice I made. So then something 'higher' than me (Bashar might call it an OverSoul) is determining how many 'andrews' there are. In the "physical reality as a virtual multi-player video-game, played on a website", Andrew X living in the 21st century in UK is a game-character, played by any number of players, some of them even simultaneously, in different instances of the game (which could be called "parallel realities"). You aren't Andrew X; you only play Andrew X in an instance of the game you chose. For your good reasons, you made this choice before joining the game this time, and now you're immersed in it to the point of forgetting about the you-as-a-player, identifying with the game-character you chose. Similarly, other players chose for their own reasons to play the same character in their instances of the game. There aren't as many versions of realities as players, because they join gestalts according to their current characteristics (beliefs, expectations, interests of development, ...), but still the number of realities is uncountable, practically infinite. The choices you make at game-character level (made by you, not by the character, as the character is just an avatar), based on the perceptions at the game-character level (five senses) are factored into the path you draw through the physical-hyperspace (time, 3D-space, probabilities), but they don't deterministically draw that path, because your inner-self knows why it plays the game, picks and chooses, and directs accordingly your subconscious to create the reality that you experience at game-character level. As for another analogy, there is a #9 player in every (most) football teams. " Your Andrew X" is like the #9 in the Manchester United team in the game played against Bayern Munchen on September 20th, 2023. There are an uncountable number of other #9 football players, other versions of "Andrew X", that played in other games for Manchester United, and that played for all the other football teams that exist, ever existed, and will ever exist. As everything is connected, you could find out more about the other Andrew X, but you forgot how to consciously do it. Your inner-self probably uses their experience in filtering the choices you made, and the choices it offers you to make, at game-character level. Bottom line: you aren't the game-character; you only play it now. The same character is / was / will be played by an uncountable number of others, in different ways. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 26, 2023 17:29:45 GMT -5
Do you believe in 'many' other actual worlds/realities or that there are infinite other actual worlds/realities? Thanks for your explanation, I read it all, but want to focus on that key point I can't see how 'infinite' is possible, but 'many' is possible if the point of divergence in choice comes from a higher level. The reason I say this is because I can't see how, practically, I could have ever made a different choice to the one I made. So the only way a different choice could have happened is if I was downloaded with a different insight at a given moment, therefore changing the choice I made. So then something 'higher' than me (Bashar might call it an OverSoul) is determining how many 'andrews' there are. In the "physical reality as a virtual multi-player video-game, played on a website", Andrew X living in the 21st century in UK is a game-character, played by any number of players, some of them even simultaneously, in different instances of the game (which could be called "parallel realities"). You aren't Andrew X; you only play Andrew X in an instance of the game you chose. For your good reasons, you made this choice before joining the game this time, and now you're immersed in it to the point of forgetting about the you-as-a-player, identifying with the game-character you chose. Similarly, other players chose for their own reasons to play the same character in their instances of the game. There aren't as many versions of realities as players, because they join gestalts according to their current characteristics (beliefs, expectations, interests of development, ...), but still the number of realities is uncountable, practically infinite. The choices you make at game-character level (made by you, not by the character, as the character is just an avatar), based on the perceptions at the game-character level (five senses) are factored into the path you draw through the physical-hyperspace (time, 3D-space, probabilities), but they don't deterministically draw that path, because your inner-self knows why it plays the game, picks and chooses, and directs accordingly your subconscious to create the reality that you experience at game-character level. As for another analogy, there is a #9 player in every (most) football teams. " Your Andrew X" is like the #9 in the Manchester United team in the game played against Bayern Munchen on September 20th, 2023. There are an uncountable number of other #9 football players, other versions of "Andrew X", that played in other games for Manchester United, and that played for all the other football teams that exist, ever existed, and will ever exist. As everything is connected, you could find out more about the other Andrew X, but you forgot how to consciously do it. Your inner-self probably uses their experience in filtering the choices you made, and the choices it offers you to make, at game-character level. Bottom line: you aren't the game-character; you only play it now. The same character is / was / will be played by an uncountable number of others, in different ways. Thanks for taking the time with that, there's a lot I agree with, and some I don't. Certainly I agree with your distinction between 'game character' and 'inner self' and the analogy is an excellent one. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2023 7:11:37 GMT -5
Let us assume infinite realities run in parallel and our physical universe is one amongst them, yes? No one has the power to choose, Said that, it runs from past to future in a single line without interruption of others, yes? Please read the last paragraph first before you read the rest. As soon as the capacity to envision the future developed the future started effecting the past. And that's just a statement about the common, conventional mind: by planning for what you think the future might be, you change the present. And the potential for the future to effect the past, in unconventional terms, is much broader. There are two such lines of thought to consider: one from the science of physics, the other from anecdotal accounts of supernatural premonition. Physicists give us the tachyon, and once you have the potential for faster than light speed travel you have at least the potential to exchange information with your relative past. That's just one example. Wormholes are a distinct theoretical possibility, which would also theoretically allow travel into the past. While beyond my knowledge and experience with the mathematical technicalities, I'm at least aware of the notion of a "close timelike curve". There's also quantum entanglement. Getting metaphysical, if we accept the "quantum observer" as a premise, along with the big bang, we encounter the possibility that the event of initial creation did not actualize until the observer instantiated .. whatever that observer may or may not be. There are many accounts of supernatural premonition, and if these are not discounted, then you have examples of the future affecting the past. You see, if the future is predicted, the past that contains the prediction is a different timeline from the one that doesn't. People behave differently based on whether they encounter the prediction and whether or not they believe it. There are also similar, but lesser degree experiences possible, such as thinking the exact same thought as someone else at the exact same time. Any manifestations of non-deliberate synchronicity (a highly improbable coincidence) is related to this class of potential experience. From my experience, the frequency of perceiving sychronicitites increases once you become aware of the phenomenon, and can be enhanced by engaging in deliberate quiescence of mind by meditation, prayer, or ATA. But that's all just krazy talk.  These are all interesting patterns, but they are blueprints for a machine, and you, are not a machine. These ideas might be fun to play around with sometimes. But they are not of any existential import. They are not for people who are seriously interested in the existential truth. The existential truth is beyond that capacity of mind that engages with these sorts of notions. Our future path is determined by our past experiences and current beliefs. These elements trigger events before we even experience them. Anything we envision through our affirmations becomes reality. Some people attribute this to the universe encompassing all possibilities. However, they often overlook the fact that the intentions in their minds are part of the overall moment. If I desire to be in Andaman and Nicobar, it will soon become a reality. But it’s not because of my desire, rather my longing to be there is an indication that I am destined to be in Andaman and Nicobar. There is a single line that connects the past to the future. |
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Post by zazeniac on Sept 27, 2023 11:43:17 GMT -5
Please read the last paragraph first before you read the rest. As soon as the capacity to envision the future developed the future started effecting the past. And that's just a statement about the common, conventional mind: by planning for what you think the future might be, you change the present. And the potential for the future to effect the past, in unconventional terms, is much broader. There are two such lines of thought to consider: one from the science of physics, the other from anecdotal accounts of supernatural premonition. Physicists give us the tachyon, and once you have the potential for faster than light speed travel you have at least the potential to exchange information with your relative past. That's just one example. Wormholes are a distinct theoretical possibility, which would also theoretically allow travel into the past. While beyond my knowledge and experience with the mathematical technicalities, I'm at least aware of the notion of a "close timelike curve". There's also quantum entanglement. Getting metaphysical, if we accept the "quantum observer" as a premise, along with the big bang, we encounter the possibility that the event of initial creation did not actualize until the observer instantiated .. whatever that observer may or may not be. There are many accounts of supernatural premonition, and if these are not discounted, then you have examples of the future affecting the past. You see, if the future is predicted, the past that contains the prediction is a different timeline from the one that doesn't. People behave differently based on whether they encounter the prediction and whether or not they believe it. There are also similar, but lesser degree experiences possible, such as thinking the exact same thought as someone else at the exact same time. Any manifestations of non-deliberate synchronicity (a highly improbable coincidence) is related to this class of potential experience. From my experience, the frequency of perceiving sychronicitites increases once you become aware of the phenomenon, and can be enhanced by engaging in deliberate quiescence of mind by meditation, prayer, or ATA. But that's all just krazy talk. These are all interesting patterns, but they are blueprints for a machine, and you, are not a machine. These ideas might be fun to play around with sometimes. But they are not of any existential import. They are not for people who are seriously interested in the existential truth. The existential truth is beyond that capacity of mind that engages with these sorts of notions. Our future path is determined by our past experiences and current beliefs. These elements trigger events before we even experience them. Anything we envision through our affirmations becomes reality. Some people attribute this to the universe encompassing all possibilities. However, they often overlook the fact that the intentions in their minds are part of the overall moment. If I desire to be in Andaman and Nicobar, it will soon become a reality. But it’s not because of my desire, rather my longing to be there is an indication that I am destined to be in Andaman and Nicobar. There is a single line that connects the past to the future. The old adage "careful what you wish for" comes to mind. There is something to be said about letting go of the past and the future. The problem with this type of thinking is that it's like the alcoholic who talks himself into thinking he can just have one drink. He, the ego, thinks it's in control. "No expectations, no delusion." I hear there are dangerous folk in Andaman. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2023 7:02:42 GMT -5
Our future path is determined by our past experiences and current beliefs. These elements trigger events before we even experience them. Anything we envision through our affirmations becomes reality. Some people attribute this to the universe encompassing all possibilities. However, they often overlook the fact that the intentions in their minds are part of the overall moment. If I desire to be in Andaman and Nicobar, it will soon become a reality. But it’s not because of my desire, rather my longing to be there is an indication that I am destined to be in Andaman and Nicobar. There is a single line that connects the past to the future. The old adage "careful what you wish for" comes to mind. There is something to be said about letting go of the past and the future. The problem with this type of thinking is that it's like the alcoholic who talks himself into thinking he can just have one drink. He, the ego, thinks it's in control. "No expectations, no delusion." I hear there are dangerous folk in Andaman.  |
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Post by laughter on Sept 29, 2023 10:49:47 GMT -5
Please read the last paragraph first before you read the rest. As soon as the capacity to envision the future developed the future started effecting the past. And that's just a statement about the common, conventional mind: by planning for what you think the future might be, you change the present. And the potential for the future to effect the past, in unconventional terms, is much broader. There are two such lines of thought to consider: one from the science of physics, the other from anecdotal accounts of supernatural premonition. Physicists give us the tachyon, and once you have the potential for faster than light speed travel you have at least the potential to exchange information with your relative past. That's just one example. Wormholes are a distinct theoretical possibility, which would also theoretically allow travel into the past. While beyond my knowledge and experience with the mathematical technicalities, I'm at least aware of the notion of a "close timelike curve". There's also quantum entanglement. Getting metaphysical, if we accept the "quantum observer" as a premise, along with the big bang, we encounter the possibility that the event of initial creation did not actualize until the observer instantiated .. whatever that observer may or may not be. There are many accounts of supernatural premonition, and if these are not discounted, then you have examples of the future affecting the past. You see, if the future is predicted, the past that contains the prediction is a different timeline from the one that doesn't. People behave differently based on whether they encounter the prediction and whether or not they believe it. There are also similar, but lesser degree experiences possible, such as thinking the exact same thought as someone else at the exact same time. Any manifestations of non-deliberate synchronicity (a highly improbable coincidence) is related to this class of potential experience. From my experience, the frequency of perceiving sychronicitites increases once you become aware of the phenomenon, and can be enhanced by engaging in deliberate quiescence of mind by meditation, prayer, or ATA. But that's all just krazy talk. These are all interesting patterns, but they are blueprints for a machine, and you, are not a machine. These ideas might be fun to play around with sometimes. But they are not of any existential import. They are not for people who are seriously interested in the existential truth. The existential truth is beyond that capacity of mind that engages with these sorts of notions. Our future path is determined by our past experiences and current beliefs. These elements trigger events before we even experience them. Anything we envision through our affirmations becomes reality. Some people attribute this to the universe encompassing all possibilities. However, they often overlook the fact that the intentions in their minds are part of the overall moment. If I desire to be in Andaman and Nicobar, it will soon become a reality. But it’s not because of my desire, rather my longing to be there is an indication that I am destined to be in Andaman and Nicobar. There is a single line that connects the past to the future. Yes, that's the conventional view. |
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Post by zazeniac on Sept 30, 2023 6:17:29 GMT -5
The greatest obstacle to freedom is the idea and consequent perk that because I meditate or consider myself realized, I am differently better than anyone else. This is the very basis of separation, the basis of judgment, the ultimate trap, part and parcel of the so-called consensus paradigm. So many are stuck here. Why Jesus said "do not judge, love your enemies, love your neighbors, do onto others..." Why Mr. Gump said "stupid is as stupid does." Why Baghavan said you must purify. Hahaha.
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