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Post by figrebirth on Jun 22, 2023 0:02:13 GMT -5
So, what would you "prefer" to use instead?
I prefer to say that the tale makes you happy and the narrative makes you sad. So, in other words, you dislike the narrative but like the tale.
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Post by figrebirth on Jun 22, 2023 0:03:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree...I think. But regardless of the actual feeling in play, E obviously DID "want" that person to go away.....his personal judgment was of not wanting that person to keep being a thorn in his life/relationship. There was some kind of feeling of negative response towards that person....all of course, perfectly okay and not at all out of line with being awake/SR. That's really great figgles, finding an agreement with you is one of the rarest thing that happens here.   |
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Post by figrebirth on Jun 22, 2023 0:13:15 GMT -5
If one has no expectations, no desires, no ideas about how life should be, no ideas about how other people should be, no worries about the future, no regrets about the past, no self image to defend, no second guessing of one's actions, no resentments, no "negative" feelings, total comfort in not-knowing what will happen next, and an open acceptance of "what is" as it is, one can be pretty happy being a nobody. I am not talking from personal level, I was saying All That Is would have created in a different way. I am talking from Impersonal Level.
Yes, that's why I am asking why are you resisting? Anger is resistance.
I am going to write something important, please read it carefully. When you repeat or accept this has to happen this way, that would keep creating circumstance like the one you described above like saw slightly cutting off your leg. If you are not paying attention you would be keep creating such situation again and again in your life. Catch hold of it even before it unfolds another bad circumstance for you. Love you from India.
So, as you see it, is there a place where only 'wanted' things happen...no more accidental slip-ups with knives/saws....no more stubbed toes.....no more realtors dropping your only house key down the gap between your door and concrete step (hehe....just happened and I had the extreme pleasure of using a flash-light, bending a coat hanger and fishing it out, much to the delight of my husband!)....nothing at all wayward, or off the script of happenings that are wanted/preferred...? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2023 21:34:44 GMT -5
Let us catch up in another good discussion Figgles. Bye bye until then .
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Post by laughter on Jun 23, 2023 7:39:22 GMT -5
Got up to the lake with Sue today. How is she doing? We're doing well dude, thanks for asking.  |
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Post by andrew on Jun 23, 2023 8:50:47 GMT -5
sure, but a degree of stress is a healthy physical response in some contexts. Do you expect all 'self-realized' folks to be without any stress? I'd expect those folks to respond differently to stress, not necessarily to be without stress. Why would you (impersonal) believe anybody he's found the truth? I don't think there is any way to tell. What do you mean by 'the truth' here? I don't really think in that way i.e I don't look at people and think he's 'found the truth'. I might look at folks sometimes and think in terms of them being 'politically awake', or I might think in terms of them being 'spiritually oriented' or 'on a spiritual path'. One thing I've learned over last 10 years is how diverse spirituality is, and how unique everyone's path is. I used to think that people would have to suffer at some point in order to grow, but I don't think that any more. Every soul has its own purpose, its own path. I might offer support to folks tentatively, trying to pay attention to where they are in their lives, and what's important to them right now. I'm also happy to receive support. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 10:07:14 GMT -5
We're doing well dude, thanks for asking. You are welcome ! |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 23, 2023 10:11:25 GMT -5
What would universe look like If you have realized personal self-hood is illusion and no one is responsible for anything? What if you are living in a universe where you don't have to blame anyone and as a result you don't have to get angry? how that would look like? That would be "seeing the world thru the eyes of Source"... |
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Post by inavalan on Jun 23, 2023 15:42:06 GMT -5
Why would you (impersonal) believe anybody he's found the truth? I don't think there is any way to tell. What do you mean by 'the truth' here? I don't really think in that way i.e I don't look at people and think he's 'found the truth'. I might look at folks sometimes and think in terms of them being 'politically awake', or I might think in terms of them being 'spiritually oriented' or 'on a spiritual path'. One thing I've learned over last 10 years is how diverse spirituality is, and how unique everyone's path is. I used to think that people would have to suffer at some point in order to grow, but I don't think that any more. Every soul has its own purpose, its own path. I might offer support to folks tentatively, trying to pay attention to where they are in their lives, and what's important to them right now. I'm also happy to receive support. I meant that from all those who claim to know whatever (science, spirituality, all walks of life), you (impersonal) have no way to tell who really knows. You can't even tell that about yourself. Humility seems to be the best way to deal with it, your humility. |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 23, 2023 23:08:50 GMT -5
My inner guidance is strong on this matter There are many dimensions of existence, and certainly (to me) this relatively small reality that we experience does not constitute all that is. You mean a place where there is no contrast (aka unwanted)? Even Abe say that they experience contrast. |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 23, 2023 23:13:52 GMT -5
Think through what I said you will get it. I'd say the core misunderstanding in our world is the belief in 'lack' i.e that resources (whatever that constitutes) are limited. And it's a self-fulfilling belief (as all beliefs are). I find it striking when I see spiritual folks also demonstrating a preference for a belief in the inevitability of 'lack'. Which is an illogical belief for him to hold given that he's the 'ruler'. |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 23, 2023 23:19:34 GMT -5
I always thought of anger as extreme irritation or annoyance, so I hope Gopal reads this cause he's been banging on about this for years and years! That's the way I see it too. Both anger and irritation are negative emotions, i.e. natural reactions to encountering unwanted. They only differ in intensity. That's the only difference. |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 23, 2023 23:39:29 GMT -5
Oh man, brings to mind my recent experience with our 5 cats and little wienie dog.....we've just listed our home for sale, had back to back showings.......had simultaneously just changed all the pets dry food to some new-fangled grain free type, and viola, all of 'em developed diarrhea....seemed every time I turned around there was a new, fresh "accident" right where I'd just mopped and left a nice, fresh sparkling floor for the next showing.....there were a few expletives going 'round there, I assure you as I cleaned and re-cleaned and then did it all over again.....add to it, the absence of offers, the need to keep going with showings....in fact, we're still going with showings.....showings suck  ....you get the pic, I'm sure. But yeah, no instrinsic blame or sense of how things were going fundamentally wrong or "should" have been different. And I agree with you, that IS key. As I've said, it can be very difficult simply looking on, observing another to decipher with clarity whether true "sense of separation/blameful anger" really is in play, or not.
I actually find those kinds of experiences serve even more poignantly as evidence that it's all one, seamless movement....but even more than that...that God has one helluva a sense of humor! What you are describing here is basically what Abe call "Step 5", appreciating contrast. |
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Post by laughter on Jun 23, 2023 23:41:27 GMT -5
I always thought of anger as extreme irritation or annoyance, so I hope Gopal reads this cause he's been banging on about this for years and years! That's the way I see it too. Both anger and irritation are negative emotions, i.e. natural reactions to encountering unwanted. They only differ in intensity. That's the only difference. |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 24, 2023 0:07:22 GMT -5
No. I am saying that even in the seeing through of the doer, the experience of a me character that does/accomplishes stuff, still to some degree remains.
Same with the experience of personal agency...it continues on as a facet of the dream/story, even after clearly seeing that there is no actual, fundamental responsibility/blame agency re: the appearing character.
For example; While I am clear that there is no separation....it's all one seamless unfolding and ultimately, no appearing character is fundamentally volitional, thus, he has no fundamental agency, if someone rams into my car, I'm still gonna take his insurance and file it as his 'fault' so as to pay for my car repair.
There are experiential facets that remain and continue to arise even though the fundamental Truth has been realized.
Such situation wouldn't arise if your rollercoaster goes fine. Correct. |
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....you get the pic, I'm sure.