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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 0:54:48 GMT -5
... If you can talk to your subconscious, what is its language? You communicate with your subconscious directly and instantly. You may formulate your thoughts and intentions using words, just because that's how you are used to think and communicate, but what you communicate is independent of the words you use. The same goes in the other direction; you put in words your intuitive glimpses because that's how you're used to think, but you get the whole knowledge instantly. You get into an appropriate altered state of consciousness, while leaving aside all your beliefs and expectations to minimize distortions. you communicate with your subconsciousness through FEELINGS. All that affirmation and visualization are being used to created that desired feelings. If you can feel as if you are being somewhere, you will be going to that place soon(this second action "you are going somewhere" happens without your consent). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 0:59:31 GMT -5
Jesus never claimed himself to be God. He was confronted by pharisees because he claimed himself to be the son of God. Regardless of what Jesus said or didn't say, the pharisees were accusing him of claiming to be God. NIV Bible, John 10:33 "We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” The book of John(90AD-120AD) was written in second century, none of the books which were written at first century have spoken anything like that.
Seven Authenticated books of Paul Galatians, Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Philemon, Philippians, 1 Thessalonians(48AD-52AD)
And the Gospels Mark(70AD), Matthew(80 AD), Luke(80AD)
were written at first century and none of them expresses Jesus as God but son of God. Only Paul believes in preexistence of Jesus, but aforementioned Gospel authors haven't believed that either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 1:00:28 GMT -5
It's not a black magic, that's the way mind works! There is something called deliberate creation, you could visualize the DESIRED reality and make it happen. If you can see something in your mind's eye, then your creative part of mind kicks in. You could go to the shop and get the apple, or you could visualize that you are having the apple in your hand and you will be having soon by some way. It's that simple. That's why Giselle left Tom. It had nothing to do with his unretirement. My fanatsies! She's under my spell. Everybody is influencing each other subconsciously, you are doing it too, but without knowing the fact that you are doing it. |
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Post by zazeniac on Nov 25, 2022 7:11:24 GMT -5
Regardless of what Jesus said or didn't say, the pharisees were accusing him of claiming to be God. NIV Bible, John 10:33 "We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” The book of John(90AD-120AD) was written in second century, none of the books which were written at first century have spoken anything like that.
Seven Authenticated books of Paul Galatians, Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Philemon, Philippians, 1 Thessalonians(48AD-52AD)
And the Gospels Mark(70AD), Matthew(80 AD), Luke(80AD)
were written at first century and none of them expresses Jesus as God but son of God. Only Paul believes in preexistence of Jesus, but aforementioned Gospel authors haven't believed that either.
So your argument isn't that John 10:34 or that John in general has nondual undertones, but rather that it's a poor depiction of what Jesus taught. This is irrelevant to my point that the Truth seeps into all cultures. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 8:12:55 GMT -5
The book of John(90AD-120AD) was written in second century, none of the books which were written at first century have spoken anything like that.
Seven Authenticated books of Paul Galatians, Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Philemon, Philippians, 1 Thessalonians(48AD-52AD)
And the Gospels Mark(70AD), Matthew(80 AD), Luke(80AD)
were written at first century and none of them expresses Jesus as God but son of God. Only Paul believes in preexistence of Jesus, but aforementioned Gospel authors haven't believed that either.
So your argument isn't that John 10:34 or that John in general has nondual undertones, but rather that it's a poor depiction of what Jesus taught. This is irrelevant to my point that the Truth seeps into all cultures. Second century writing doesn't stick with what actually happened. When the time passes by, there were lots of extra thing were added up.
For an example, Paul and Mark didn't believe in virgin birth and Jesus to be God when they were writing, but later text Luke and Matthew includes such a thing but still luke and Matthew did not believe Jesus as God, but later writing John includes such a claim Jesus as God.
So the accusation must be Jesus claim himself to be Son of God. You could read here in first century writings
In addition to charging Jesus with falsely claiming to be the Christ, the king of the Jews, they also accused him of being an evildoer, misleading their nation, being a tax evader, and stirring up the people. But never once, in any of the gospel accounts, is Jesus charged with claiming to be God.
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Post by sree on Nov 25, 2022 16:45:37 GMT -5
My deepest abstraction of NOTHING is a thing fashioned by thought. It symbolizes the creator of all things. Every faith has a name for it. Hindus call it Brahma. The Chinese call it the Tao. You call it NOTHING?
Notice the self-contradiction here? No contradiction, Laffy. To you guys, NOTHING is "a spirituality that is far beyond the reach of any thought". And that is a thing to be equated with the teachings of traditional religions. Christians believe in a God not of this world and beyond our imagination. Where do you think you new-age spiritual folks get your idea of NOTHING from?
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Post by sree on Nov 25, 2022 17:27:49 GMT -5
You are conscious of celebrating Thanksgiving and you would consider that a subconscious way of life. Sounds like Jason Bourne consciously carrying out missions but doesn't know he is assassinating turkeys for the state. How many subconscious foreign wars have you been consciously supporting to defend democracy, Laffy? ok, that's funny ..  .. but your imagination is running away with you again.  fwiw (and I write a version of this from time to time) there are many people who make it very clear in their own word - both living and historically - that they have a very strong sense of false personal/cultural identity, but that I admire and respect quite deeply because of their actions, abilities, accomplishments and either pathos for or great depth of relative understanding of the world. Far better men and women than even the best man I might ever hope to become.  So no, I'm not gunning for anyone, and it's very much related to what I wrote here. You really are convinced that you are separate from the rest of the common herd, aren't you? I also have your sense of arrogance and spit on the sick and the weak of mind. And yet, I am not separate from but one with humanity.
Can you flip context also? We have not ironed out this matter yet.
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Post by laughter on Nov 25, 2022 18:01:25 GMT -5
Notice the self-contradiction here? No contradiction, Laffy. To you guys, NOTHING is "a spirituality that is far beyond the reach of any thought". And that is a thing to be equated with the teachings of traditional religions. Christians believe in a God not of this world and beyond our imagination. Where do you think you new-age spiritual folks get your idea of NOTHING from?
, but no  , and the answer is: direct experience. Addressing your writing from a similar process of thinking that you've stated it is from, very clearly, "NOTHING is a thing", is a bald faced contradiction.  |
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Post by laughter on Nov 25, 2022 18:09:43 GMT -5
ok, that's funny .. .. but your imagination is running away with you again. fwiw (and I write a version of this from time to time) there are many people who make it very clear in their own word - both living and historically - that they have a very strong sense of false personal/cultural identity, but that I admire and respect quite deeply because of their actions, abilities, accomplishments and either pathos for or great depth of relative understanding of the world. Far better men and women than even the best man I might ever hope to become. So no, I'm not gunning for anyone, and it's very much related to what I wrote here. You really are convinced that you are separate from the rest of the common herd, aren't you? I also have your sense of arrogance and spit on the sick and the weak of mind. And yet, I am not separate from but one with humanity.
Can you flip context also? We have not ironed out this matter yet.
You're projecting. What I wrote is completely consonant with claiming that I'm "one with humanity", while what you wrote (restating this) is most definitely not. We are not the same. Realizing the existential truth is the exact opposite of aggrandizement, as what is realized is what everyone is, a "birthright", if you will. That truth is truly Universal. The only distinction between the realized and not is one of perspective. It does come with certain benefits, but it's not an accomplishment, nor a reward, and not a gain of anything. Doesn't make you smarter or stronger or richer at all. |
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Post by laughter on Nov 25, 2022 18:12:50 GMT -5
I've noticed some of that in some of the media I've seen in the last few years. There's this rather vile view that "everyone has a value in the sexual market" that generally eventually peaks at a given age and then trails off as we get older, with different curves for the two genders. But it wouldn't have traction if it didn't have some relative truth underlying it. It's a fine example of what I think of as the dark magicians falling into their own trap. There's no way to consciously practice these sort of dark arts. Also though, what gopal is referring to is the basis of the art of making a business sale. Dunno' if you done much of this, but there can be this point where you've got to the "yes", it's like a moment of temporary madness.  Telepathy is real, you could insert your thoughts into other's mind. All you need is to know the correct way to do it. .. but it can help if you've formed a connection with the other person ahead of time. Depends on what you're trying to get across or know. |
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Post by laughter on Nov 25, 2022 18:14:01 GMT -5
There's a deeper point here that you've missed. The very presupposition that people are being manipulated and controlled is premised on the idea that it could have been otherwise. Everybody is doing all the time, we are not aware of it. Regardless, this idea that people are manipulating and being manipulated is premised on at least the potential of free will. |
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Post by sree on Nov 25, 2022 19:49:45 GMT -5
You really are convinced that you are separate from the rest of the common herd, aren't you? I also have your sense of arrogance and spit on the sick and the weak of mind. And yet, I am not separate from but one with humanity.
Can you flip context also? We have not ironed out this matter yet.
You're projecting. What I wrote is completely consonant with claiming that I'm "one with humanity", while what you wrote (restating this) is most definitely not. We are not the same. Realizing the existential truth is the exact opposite of aggrandizement, as what is realized is what everyone is, a "birthright", if you will. That truth is truly Universal. The only distinction between the realized and not is one of perspective. It does come with certain benefits, but it's not an accomplishment, nor a reward, and not a gain of anything. Doesn't make you smarter or stronger or richer at all. You know what, Laffy? We may not see eye to eye on this matter ever. Let it be. Don't get mad or upset just because you are not understood. In nature, no creature understands any other. Prey don't understand predators. Fire doesn't understand water. The sun doesn't understand the moon. None gives a shit. And yet, life goes on regardless.
As long as you don't cause harm to the body, and put your needs before it, you are good to go. |
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Post by sree on Nov 25, 2022 20:03:29 GMT -5
No contradiction, Laffy. To you guys, NOTHING is "a spirituality that is far beyond the reach of any thought". And that is a thing to be equated with the teachings of traditional religions. Christians believe in a God not of this world and beyond our imagination. Where do you think you new-age spiritual folks get your idea of NOTHING from?
, but no , and the answer is: direct experience. Addressing your writing from a similar process of thinking that you've stated it is from, very clearly, "NOTHING is a thing", is a bald faced contradiction. Gopal says that you are programmed and don't know it. Sexual influence to attract the opposite sex, he says. You could have been programmed by Sue.
New-age spiritual programming has been going on. I am not programmed to think like you guys.
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Post by sree on Nov 25, 2022 20:06:24 GMT -5
Everybody is doing all the time, we are not aware of it. Regardless, this idea that people are manipulating and being manipulated is premised on at least the potential of free will. It's not free-will. Gopal's decision to program you is also predetermined. |
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Post by laughter on Nov 25, 2022 20:32:57 GMT -5
You're projecting. What I wrote is completely consonant with claiming that I'm "one with humanity", while what you wrote (restating this) is most definitely not. We are not the same. Realizing the existential truth is the exact opposite of aggrandizement, as what is realized is what everyone is, a "birthright", if you will. That truth is truly Universal. The only distinction between the realized and not is one of perspective. It does come with certain benefits, but it's not an accomplishment, nor a reward, and not a gain of anything. Doesn't make you smarter or stronger or richer at all. You know what, Laffy? We may not see eye to eye on this matter ever. Let it be. Don't get mad or upset just because you are not understood. In nature, no creature understands any other. Prey don't understand predators. Fire doesn't understand water. The sun doesn't understand the moon. None gives a shit. And yet, life goes on regardless. As long as you don't cause harm to the body, and put your needs before it, you are good to go. As I told you once before, I'll never turn down an offer to agree to disagree. But I will never stop pointing out when your imagination is playing tricks on you. |
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.. but your imagination is running away with you again. 
So no, I'm not gunning for anyone, and it's very much related to what I wrote 
, and the answer is: direct experience. 