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Post by tenka on Jul 15, 2022 14:50:49 GMT -5
Come on all you Self realised Folks  What is it that you have realised Consciousness to be? What does this reflect in all things manifest and unmanifest? Explain how what you are transcended mind and self and then had this grand realisation that you are Consciousness . |
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Post by sree on Jul 17, 2022 19:48:01 GMT -5
Hey tenka, I have realized consciousness to be me as sree and tenka and all the Self realized folks here.
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Post by sree on Jul 17, 2022 19:49:31 GMT -5
sree is the only one I get. The other incarnations, not so much.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 20:25:28 GMT -5
Come on all you Self realised Folks What is it that you have realised Consciousness to be? What does this reflect in all things manifest and unmanifest? Explain how what you are transcended mind and self and then had this grand realisation that you are Consciousness . what does this have to do with the self-realized? Go and ask anyone in the street if they're conscious or aware. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 4:40:40 GMT -5
what does this have to do with the self-realized? Go and ask anyone in the street if they're conscious or aware. Just for fun, add "self" in front of those two words. self conscious - "oh no, everyone is looking at me!" Self aware - 'calm down, you're the only one here' |
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Post by sree on Jul 18, 2022 8:25:30 GMT -5
Come on all you Self realised Folks What is it that you have realised Consciousness to be? What does this reflect in all things manifest and unmanifest? Explain how what you are transcended mind and self and then had this grand realisation that you are Consciousness . what does this have to do with the self-realized? Go and ask anyone in the street if they're conscious or aware. They may be aware and conscious, but they have not realized consciousness to be anything other than an ability to be aware of people, places and things around them. A neuroscientist like Jill Bolte Taylor would shove a real human brain in your face and tell you where your consciousness comes from.
Self-realized folks have become consciousness itself. They can converse with you as consciousness in the first person or from the depth of emptiness in the 'no time' domain of nothingness.
I am not one of the self-realized folks. I do research on self-realization the way a scientist would study abnormalities in insects and earthworms.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 18, 2022 8:32:17 GMT -5
what does this have to do with the self-realized? Go and ask anyone in the street if they're conscious or aware. They may be aware and conscious, but they have not realized consciousness to be anything other than an ability to be aware of people, places and things around them. A neuroscientist like Jill Bolte Taylor would shove a real human brain in your face and tell you where your consciousness comes from. Self-realized folks have become consciousness itself. They can converse with you as consciousness in the first person or from the depth of emptiness in the 'no time' domain of nothingness. I am not one of the self-realized folks. I do research on self-realization the way a scientist would study abnormalities in insects and earthworms.
Much bettererer than the earlier expressions. Like the change in direction. |
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Post by zazeniac on Jul 20, 2022 9:03:31 GMT -5
The interesting thing about consciousness is that upon close examination the subject/object paradigm does not work. Because without a subject, there are no objects and when you look for the subject, you can't find it.
If I ask you to show me the perceiver, you can't. Whatever you show me, something is perceiving what you call the perceiver. The perceiver is a whole lot of nothing.
But this is all interesting trivia, not related in the least to the nitty-gritty of life. Mind strutting. Even with that or any other interesting pointer, most folks still chase their tail. Cause even if you realize it's your tail, the compulsion to chase it persists, its locked in. So you invent sh$t, to convince yourself you're not and everyone else is which is proof that you still are. Haha. Happy tail-chasing!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2022 9:22:56 GMT -5
what does this have to do with the self-realized? Go and ask anyone in the street if they're conscious or aware. They may be aware and conscious, but they have not realized consciousness to be anything other than an ability to be aware of people, places and things around them. A neuroscientist like Jill Bolte Taylor would shove a real human brain in your face and tell you where your consciousness comes from.
Self-realized folks have become consciousness itself. They can converse with you as consciousness in the first person or from the depth of emptiness in the 'no time' domain of nothingness.
I am not one of the self-realized folks. I do research on self-realization the way a scientist would study abnormalities in insects and earthworms.
You have to start somewhere. Most people can easily understand that they are aware of things, of objects. I'm aware of this, I'm aware of that. What's the point of giving Tenka an answer about realizing that I am consciousness when he obviously doesn't believe it. It's a non-starter in the way he asks the question. The first and most obvious obstacle is telling him what consciousness is. I don't know. I don't know what the color blue is but I know what it is. This is a question coming from someone who a long time ago spoke about meditation, quietening the wild horses of the mind. Well it obviously didn't work if he's asking this question now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2022 9:29:54 GMT -5
The interesting thing about consciousness is that upon close examination the subject/object paradigm does not work. Because without a subject, there are no objects and when you look for the subject, you can't find it. If I ask you to show me the perceiver, you can't. Whatever you show me, something is perceiving what you call the perceiver. The perceiver is a whole lot of nothing. But this is all interesting trivia, not related in the least to the nitty-gritty of life. Mind strutting. Even with that or any other interesting pointer, most folks still chase their tail. Cause even if you realize it's your tail, the compulsion to chase it persists, its locked in. So you invent sh$t, to convince yourself you're not and everyone else is which is proof that you still are. Haha. Happy tail-chasing! the paradigm does work because if you say I am consciousness it means that consciousness is both subject and object simultaneously. |
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Post by zazeniac on Jul 20, 2022 9:55:45 GMT -5
The interesting thing about consciousness is that upon close examination the subject/object paradigm does not work. Because without a subject, there are no objects and when you look for the subject, you can't find it. If I ask you to show me the perceiver, you can't. Whatever you show me, something is perceiving what you call the perceiver. The perceiver is a whole lot of nothing. But this is all interesting trivia, not related in the least to the nitty-gritty of life. Mind strutting. Even with that or any other interesting pointer, most folks still chase their tail. Cause even if you realize it's your tail, the compulsion to chase it persists, its locked in. So you invent sh$t, to convince yourself you're not and everyone else is which is proof that you still are. Haha. Happy tail-chasing! the paradigm does work because if you say I am consciousness it means that consciousness is both subject and object simultaneously. From a seekers perspective? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2022 11:02:39 GMT -5
the paradigm does work because if you say I am consciousness it means that consciousness is both subject and object simultaneously. From a seekers perspective? The seeker if there has been the necessary discrimination between awareness alone and experience of changing phenomena through meditation/self inquiry. Then there will be the sense that to come home, back to source is to be awareness, but one can still say I experienced awareness alone as distinct from the experience of an object. Then one must conclude that awareness is both subject and object. |
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Post by zazeniac on Jul 20, 2022 11:28:46 GMT -5
From a seekers perspective? The seeker if there has been the necessary discrimination between awareness alone and experience of changing phenomena through meditation/self inquiry. Then there will be the sense that to come home, back to source is to be awareness, but one can still say I experienced awareness alone as distinct from the experience of an object. Then one must conclude that awareness is both subject and object. If the resolution of this dichotomy is a conclusion, then you're still chasing your tail. Is sahaja a result of a conclusion or practice? In other words until that sense of "I" dissolves along with all vasanas, it doesn't matter what you conclude. You're still chasing your tail. More practice is necessary. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2022 11:56:15 GMT -5
The seeker if there has been the necessary discrimination between awareness alone and experience of changing phenomena through meditation/self inquiry. Then there will be the sense that to come home, back to source is to be awareness, but one can still say I experienced awareness alone as distinct from the experience of an object. Then one must conclude that awareness is both subject and object. If the resolution of this dichotomy is a conclusion, then you're still chasing your tail. Is sahaja a result of a conclusion or practice? In other words until that sense of "I" dissolves along with all vasanas, it doesn't matter what you conclude. You're still chasing your tail. More practice is necessary. the seeker can have this direct experience but it isn't permanent. When it becomes the natural choiceless state, it is Sahaja. And it is is the end of practice since no practices could result in bringing you to where you already are. To say that awareness is both subject and object is the best attempt to describe it conceptually. |
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Post by zazeniac on Jul 20, 2022 12:26:37 GMT -5
If the resolution of this dichotomy is a conclusion, then you're still chasing your tail. Is sahaja a result of a conclusion or practice? In other words until that sense of "I" dissolves along with all vasanas, it doesn't matter what you conclude. You're still chasing your tail. More practice is necessary. the seeker can have this direct experience but it isn't permanent. When it becomes the natural choiceless state, it is Sahaja. And it is is the end of practice since no practices could result in bringing you to where you already are. To say that awareness is both subject and object is the best attempt to describe it conceptually. Ah, you made my point. Until it is permanent, regardless of conclusions. What I see often are conclusions without experience. And I see quite a lot of tail-chasing, pettiness, by folks who have concluded exactly what you say or other ideas. Who club you on the head with their ideas. If the mind is still agitated, grasping, there is no peace. They blame the world for their misery. |
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