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Aug 15, 2022 7:43:13 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 7:43:13 GMT -5
Why would a white American male dress up like a Sikh? Man bun atop his head, wearing a kurta. I know it is Sunday and he probably works from home. Is it spirituality or escapism? ask him about the manbun and the kurta.. otherwise you're just living in your head and making wild baseless accusations |
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Aug 15, 2022 7:46:11 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 7:46:11 GMT -5
So if a comet were headed straight for this sucker, earth, do you think zd would change his views about SR, about anything related to the existential questions? Farmboy would eat another banana and smoke a doobie. definitely the latter, but I doubt I'd waste much time with the banana  instant annihilation in an all in one fell swoop does have a nice ring to it though..  |
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Aug 15, 2022 9:06:13 GMT -5
Post by sree on Aug 15, 2022 9:06:13 GMT -5
You did not get fat. Your body did. You are the self. Focus, man. This is real meditation. All that zen stuff is pure Japanese knock-offs bs made in the USA. Talk about stealing intellectual property from other countries. They steal our technology and we steal their spirituality. Getting fat is not your personal fault anymore than it's an inner-city black kid's fault for robbing a store. It's Sunday, and sure as hell, on the local news will be reports of people getting shot and killed in the city over the weekend. It's a cultural movement. Being fat is a way of life. Even in nature, it's the same with plants and animals. But there is no disorder in nature which is flowing with spiritual energy. You won't find a fat salmon or a fat eagle. In our man-made world, there is the disorder of toxic human energy.
Niz smoked, but through his raspy voice he uttered some of the most profoundly insightful spiritual poetry of the past millennia. There are two applicable Christian aphorisms: "by their fruits you shall know them" and "render unto Caesar". The existential truth is beyond any imagining, any conception, and the conditioned mind/body in the instant after realizing it is exactly the same as in the instant prior. This idea that enlightened people are materially perfected is a fairytale for existential children. It's to keep the truth ever out of reach, as if it's something that is a reward for hard work or good behavior, or that realizing it is somehow some sort of material gain. It ain't.  Insightful to what end? As farmer pointed out, nothing had worked. The world is still a mess.
I know, insightful to you guys is fancy words, like pretty flowers, all in a row. Insightful to me is actionable intelligence that works. Fruits, to me, are what you can sink your goddam teeth into. Otherwise, just wear a man bun atop your head, wear a kurta, sit around with like-minded free-spirits, beat on your drum and chant the verses of the US Constitution..."we the people, blah,blah, blah...ending each verse with a ha ha ha.
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Aug 15, 2022 9:12:33 GMT -5
Post by sree on Aug 15, 2022 9:12:33 GMT -5
So if a comet were headed straight for this sucker, earth, do you think zd would change his views about SR, about anything related to the existential questions? Farmboy would eat another banana and smoke a doobie. definitely the latter, but I doubt I'd waste much time with the banana instant annihilation in an all in one fell swoop does have a nice ring to it though.. Just what is wrong with your body? You didn't offer much specifics. Why can't you eat bananas? Do you have Barrett's esophagus like stardust? |
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Aug 15, 2022 9:32:17 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 9:32:17 GMT -5
definitely the latter, but I doubt I'd waste much time with the banana instant annihilation in an all in one fell swoop does have a nice ring to it though.. Just what is wrong with your body? You didn't offer much specifics. Why can't you eat bananas? Do you have Barrett's esophagus like stardust? I don't know what, if anything, is wrong with my body. If there is, hopefully the blood tests and whatnot will uncover it. I feel fine for the most part, I just don't eat much anymore.. which I'm kinda liking in a way.. I feel better at a lighter weight I guess I do have [BE] that's what they said after an endoscopy procedure. I don't really know what that is, I never pursued an interest in it. I've been smoking weed and cigarettes since 73'ish (with ill defined breaks for both at different times) I was doing good with the nicotine gum for a long while (you know replacing one addiction with another) but I'm weak for the most part. But when the doc said the word 'pre-diabetic' that did get my attention... I'm not liking the idea of losing limbs or eyes and whatnot prematurely (not that I think that will happen to me necessarily.. but it's good to pay attention to things perhaps) |
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Aug 15, 2022 9:32:45 GMT -5
Post by sree on Aug 15, 2022 9:32:45 GMT -5
Why would a white American male dress up like a Sikh? Man bun atop his head, wearing a kurta. I know it is Sunday and he probably works from home. Is it spirituality or escapism? ask him about the manbun and the kurta.. otherwise you're just living in your head and making wild baseless accusations I know. You guys see things differently. You see a world inhabited by individuals with the inalienable right to be whatever he wants. I see a world where everyone is another me but screwed up one way or another by thought. There is no "him" to ask. There is only me to figure out the way of the whacky. Man bun and kurta is no different from skull cap and robe, or eyelashes and lipstick.
"Dressing up" is the way of the self that has become the person rather than acting the role. Tying up the man bun and putting on the kurta is similar to a woman putting on eyelashes and lipstick in front the mirror. The face is she. Self has become the body.
Remember, you are no more a fat man than that whacko is a Sikh.
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Aug 15, 2022 9:44:10 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 9:44:10 GMT -5
ask him about the manbun and the kurta.. otherwise you're just living in your head and making wild baseless accusations I know. You guys see things differently. You see a world inhabited by individuals with the inalienable right to be whatever he wants. I see a world where everyone is another me but screwed up one way or another by thought. There is no "him" to ask. There is only me to figure out the way of the whacky. Man bun and kurta is no different from skull cap and robe, or eyelashes and lipstick. "Dressing up" is the way of the self that has become the person rather than acting the role. Tying up the man bun and putting on the kurta is similar to a woman putting on eyelashes and lipstick in front the mirror. The face is she. Self has become the body.
Remember, you are no more a fat man than that whacko is a Sikh.
I don't think I think about 'the other' as much as you do. I try to understand myself first. |
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Aug 15, 2022 9:49:48 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 9:49:48 GMT -5
Niz smoked, but through his raspy voice he uttered some of the most profoundly insightful spiritual poetry of the past millennia. There are two applicable Christian aphorisms: "by their fruits you shall know them" and "render unto Caesar". The existential truth is beyond any imagining, any conception, and the conditioned mind/body in the instant after realizing it is exactly the same as in the instant prior. This idea that enlightened people are materially perfected is a fairytale for existential children. It's to keep the truth ever out of reach, as if it's something that is a reward for hard work or good behavior, or that realizing it is somehow some sort of material gain. It ain't. Insightful to what end? As farmer pointed out, nothing had worked. The world is still a mess.
I know, insightful to you guys is fancy words, like pretty flowers, all in a row. Insightful to me is actionable intelligence that works. Fruits, to me, are what you can sink your goddam teeth into. Otherwise, just wear a man bun atop your head, wear a kurta, sit around with like-minded free-spirits, beat on your drum and chant the verses of the US Constitution..."we the people, blah,blah, blah...ending each verse with a ha ha ha.
I don't recall pointing that out, I don't think I even insinuated it. Care to explain? ok, fine "which might be true in one sense," |
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Aug 15, 2022 9:51:52 GMT -5
Post by sree on Aug 15, 2022 9:51:52 GMT -5
To me, the self must exist as long as the body is alive. Krishnamurti did talk about the ending (death) of the self while the body is still fully functioning and alive. "Living is dying", he said. In this regard, I am at odds with Krishnamurti.
What is the definition of the self? In conventional life, the self becomes the person, a role played in relationship. I am consciousness. In that state of awareness, using thought, I become the self to perform (act) that role as required in society. Alone, no role is necessary. Acting stops, the personality is shed but the self is till there, on call, to tend to the body in the manner stardust had to take care of his ailing parents. farmer, alone, with his pants down sitting on the toilet, is still in role as grand dad. And in what role are you also stuck playing till the body dies?
With a consciousness conditioned by science, stardust and others, are stuck in their roles as human beings living on planet Earth. Are you able to shed that role? I can. As the self, free of all roles, I still need to navigate through space and time as the objective observer at the center of observation to tend to the body. To do this, thought is necessary, as Krishnamurti said. When does the self vanishes, if at all? I can't consciously tell and never could. Most often, these days, it is when I had been in conversation with you guys. It has been three hours since I started writing this post. I just realized that. Amazing. In all that time, apart from making coffee and having it with a piece of chocolate cake, I was not here.
This is a bit more interesting. Although again perhaps somewhat contradictory in places. For example, you begin by positing "the self persists as long as the body is alive". Then go on to define self as a role played in conjunction with interaction, etc. What I mean is. Consider you were castaway on a desert island with the means to survive. In that scenario, the body would be alive but there would be no interaction with society. So could you exist in a no-self state or not? Reading on it sounds like you are probably saying you could exist in a no-self state in that scenario. But hopefully you can see why that leads me to query your bolded line. My overall impression is that you are saying the self is merely necessary to function in normal society (certainly in the current status quo). That's what comes across in the bulk of your post setting aside that first line. The “no-self state” is not a conscious experience. As such, it has no practical significance. Existence is a conscious state.
Krishnamurti’s defined the self as the personality. In this case, self-centeredness involves a concern mainly for the person (psychological). The self has become the body
My definition of the self does not include the personality. In my case, self-centeredness involves a concern mainly for the body. In this instance, the self is not the body. |
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Aug 15, 2022 9:56:20 GMT -5
Post by sree on Aug 15, 2022 9:56:20 GMT -5
Insightful to what end? As farmer pointed out, nothing had worked. The world is still a mess.
I know, insightful to you guys is fancy words, like pretty flowers, all in a row. Insightful to me is actionable intelligence that works. Fruits, to me, are what you can sink your goddam teeth into. Otherwise, just wear a man bun atop your head, wear a kurta, sit around with like-minded free-spirits, beat on your drum and chant the verses of the US Constitution..."we the people, blah,blah, blah...ending each verse with a ha ha ha.
I don't recall pointing that out, I don't think I even insinuated it. Care to explain? There was a bunch of Mandela quotes you posted, and at the bottom of that post you said..."nothing worked." |
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Aug 15, 2022 9:58:00 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 9:58:00 GMT -5
Niz smoked, but through his raspy voice he uttered some of the most profoundly insightful spiritual poetry of the past millennia. There are two applicable Christian aphorisms: "by their fruits you shall know them" and "render unto Caesar". The existential truth is beyond any imagining, any conception, and the conditioned mind/body in the instant after realizing it is exactly the same as in the instant prior. This idea that enlightened people are materially perfected is a fairytale for existential children. It's to keep the truth ever out of reach, as if it's something that is a reward for hard work or good behavior, or that realizing it is somehow some sort of material gain. It ain't. Insightful to what end? As farmer pointed out, nothing had worked. The world is still a mess.
I know, insightful to you guys is fancy words, like pretty flowers, all in a row. Insightful to me is actionable intelligence that works. Fruits, to me, are what you can sink your goddam teeth into. Otherwise, just wear a man bun atop your head, wear a kurta, sit around with like-minded free-spirits, beat on your drum and chant the verses of the US Constitution..."we the people, blah,blah, blah...ending each verse with a ha ha ha.
me too. there's that old quote about 'being the master of your mind and not its slave' do you agree with that, and how would you be able to tell which option is in control? |
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Aug 15, 2022 10:01:33 GMT -5
Post by sree on Aug 15, 2022 10:01:33 GMT -5
I know. You guys see things differently. You see a world inhabited by individuals with the inalienable right to be whatever he wants. I see a world where everyone is another me but screwed up one way or another by thought. There is no "him" to ask. There is only me to figure out the way of the whacky. Man bun and kurta is no different from skull cap and robe, or eyelashes and lipstick. "Dressing up" is the way of the self that has become the person rather than acting the role. Tying up the man bun and putting on the kurta is similar to a woman putting on eyelashes and lipstick in front the mirror. The face is she. Self has become the body.
Remember, you are no more a fat man than that whacko is a Sikh.
I try to understand myself first. I know. It's because you see "the other" as somebody else. I see the other as another me. Under the same circumstances, I would be you. If I had been born as baby farmer to your parents, and made all the same life decisions you made, I would be you.
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Aug 15, 2022 10:03:58 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 10:03:58 GMT -5
I don't think I think about 'the other' as much as you do. I try to understand myself first. I know. It's because you see "the other" as somebody else. I see the other as another me. Under the same circumstances, I would be you. If I had been born as baby farmer to your parents, and made all the same life decisions you made, I would be you.
who cares about that angle? just live your damn life man, be happy |
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Aug 15, 2022 10:55:56 GMT -5
Post by sree on Aug 15, 2022 10:55:56 GMT -5
I know. It's because you see "the other" as somebody else. I see the other as another me. Under the same circumstances, I would be you. If I had been born as baby farmer to your parents, and made all the same life decisions you made, I would be you.
who cares about that angle? just live your damn life man, be happy But I am happy, to the extent of my immediate circumstance. No health issues, no money issues, no inter-personal conflicts other than fighting back weeds around the garden. But I can't live my damn life in absolute security. There is that constant low-level anxiety caused by jackasses in my world. Take you for example. You have a body that is not fit and healthy (co-morbidity) and Fauci wants Covid restrictions that really messes me up. I can freely fly out of the country like before without vaccinations. If tensions climb in the South China Sea, my access to Asia will be affected. Meanwhile, the US dollar is getting bashed every which way by the dumbasses in government. I need money to tend to the body, bro. Be happy, you say.
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Aug 15, 2022 10:57:54 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Aug 15, 2022 10:57:54 GMT -5
Are you making an excuse for being a loser? I can't find a loser in nature. Everything is perfect. It's people. Even when they are young and fit, they are crazy. There was a bunch of thirty something next door beating on drums and chanting. Yoga losers in Indian clothing having a garden party. It was unseemly. Woodstock nonsense, and so soon after their mother's death.
Why would a white American male dress up like a Sikh? Man bun atop his head, wearing a kurta. I know it is Sunday and he probably works from home. Is it spirituality or escapism?
Do you know that 'losing' is your ticket out of this mess? Ie. when you stop thinking about something.. it ceases to be Exactly.  |
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