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Jul 12, 2022 10:52:03 GMT -5
Post by sree on Jul 12, 2022 10:52:03 GMT -5
I can relate with you. Since giving up the conventional life, I have been living abroad six months a year - first in Europe, and the last 7 years mainly in Asia. I am familiar with South East Asia. I am now back home in the US on account of the Covid mess. My boat is still moored at a riverine marina, offshore Singapore. An Asian wife is good. A Thai wife is ideal.
If I am not committed to spirituality, I would also have an Asian wife. A white woman is not wife material, in my opinion. She can take you out if you get spiritual instead of getting a job.
Let's hope you die before your wife does.
Not sure whether you are serious about this comment. But made me laugh so heavily  Which comment, Gopal? If you are referring to the last one about hoping satch would die before his wife, I am dead serious.
satch is one of those western men who have discovered the joy of having an Asian wife. As I have said, Thai women are the creme da la creme of Asian women for white guys to marry. Western women are culturally conditioned differently. satch probably have his feet massaged by his wife every night to put him to sleep. Thai massage is the best. Once you have tried that, you wouldn't go near a Swede woman for a rub down. A Thai wife is the best, and without one, satch would be facing hard times. This is why I hope he dies first.
You are not doing badly too, Gopal. A woman from India makes a good wife also. She knows her place, and she is devoted. Unfortunately, for the white man, her devotion is only for you. This is the kind of conditioning that we must retain.
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Jul 12, 2022 10:55:46 GMT -5
Post by sree on Jul 12, 2022 10:55:46 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 12:09:24 GMT -5
Not sure whether you are serious about this comment. But made me laugh so heavily Which comment, Gopal? If you are referring to the last one about hoping satch would die before his wife, I am dead serious.
satch is one of those western men who have discovered the joy of having an Asian wife. As I have said, Thai women are the creme da la creme of Asian women for white guys to marry. Western women are culturally conditioned differently. satch probably have his feet massaged by his wife every night to put his to sleep. Thai massage is the best. Once you have tried that, you wouldn't go near a Swede woman for a rub down. A Thai wife is the best, and without one, satch would be facing hard times. This is why I hope he die first.
You are not doing badly too, Gopal. A woman from India makes a good wife also. She knows her place, and she is devoted. Unfortunately, for the white man, her devotion is only for you. This is the kind of conditioning that we must retain.
I like the way you wrote. Especially this line made me laugh again. "satch probably have his feet massaged by his wife every night to put his to sleep. Thai massage is the best. Once you have tried that, you wouldn't go near a Swede woman for a rub down" |
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Jul 12, 2022 12:50:35 GMT -5
Post by sree on Jul 12, 2022 12:50:35 GMT -5
I can’t think of anything cheerful. Even in party-time Thailand, there are things to be sad about. Thailand has a party king. He parties mainly in Europe. And ex-pats from Europe party in the bars along the Chao Phraya river. Most of them have Thai wives. One German guy told me that Thai wives can be lethal. He said that an ex-pat had his penis sliced clean off by his Thai wife. She used a razor while he was asleep. Apparently, he had been fooling around with other Thai women he met at the riverside bars in Bangkok. The poor guy screamed in pain and frantically look for the severed part. There was hope because Thai doctors are the world’s leading penile re-attachment experts. He shook the bedclothes and his penis fell out onto the floor and through a gap between the floorboards to the rice paddy below. He ran down to retrieve it but a duck got it first, gobbled it down, and ran off.
Have you ever tried chasing a duck, satch? Don’t party so much. Wow, sounds like a great short film. Who's to blame in such a story? Does life imaginate art or does art imitate life, hehe? It's OK to feel sadness and, for a while, it is OK to suffer, though it's not necessary. I think you are misunderstanding Satch and, perhaps, how members on this forum usually conduct themselves. In other words, try to bring it into the realm of searching for the depths to which maybe Krishnamurti would have you aspire. So, here's a koan-like thingy to potentially ponder that might help rise above the encapsulating thoughts that seem to be clouding your perception--- but only if you choose. These thoughts are appearing and taking on a life of their own somehow. What are they indicating with respect to one's beliefs in Existence? Do the thoughts imaginate Existence as it actually is, or what imaginates the thoughts/beliefs via the mind? If nothing else, that's a lot of what we're on about here. Take it or leave it. Members on this forum are at liberty to conduct themselves any way they please. This is a great forum. I use it for self-reflection and to express what I perceive in my posts. If anyone - like you, for instance - comes along and makes a comment, I examine it. Two minds are always better than one.
satch is my kind of guy. He left a conventional life in the UK and settled down in a culture unlike his own. Brits tend to do this. Americans, not so much. I did meet a yank or two married to Chinese women in Hong Kong. White men are always white (inside their heads) but when they are able to get off the beaten path of their fellow countrymen, their minds are not straitjacketed. There is wriggle room for an interesting conversation. satch said he would avoid me if he saw me in Thailand. I doubt that. With his spiritual bent, I would have him rolling on the floor after a couple of beers. Western men in Thailand didn't go there to worship the Buddha. They prefer Kuan Yin in high heels.
You are into spirituality up to your ankles. Others here are swimming in deeper waters way over their heads. Some of them are never coming back. I don't go into the water at all. My feet are firmly planted on terra firma on this shore where Joe Biden is.
Do thoughts imaginate Existence? Joe would find you nuts and so would every justice in the US Supreme Court.
My kind of spirituality has to relate to people in the real world; otherwise, it is la la land. As the Buddha said, there is only one truth, no second.
"Imaginate" is not a word. When you use non-words in a conversation, you become unintelligible.
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Jul 12, 2022 13:13:08 GMT -5
Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 12, 2022 13:13:08 GMT -5
Wow, sounds like a great short film. Who's to blame in such a story? Does life imaginate art or does art imitate life, hehe? It's OK to feel sadness and, for a while, it is OK to suffer, though it's not necessary. I think you are misunderstanding Satch and, perhaps, how members on this forum usually conduct themselves. In other words, try to bring it into the realm of searching for the depths to which maybe Krishnamurti would have you aspire. So, here's a koan-like thingy to potentially ponder that might help rise above the encapsulating thoughts that seem to be clouding your perception--- but only if you choose. These thoughts are appearing and taking on a life of their own somehow. What are they indicating with respect to one's beliefs in Existence? Do the thoughts imaginate Existence as it actually is, or what imaginates the thoughts/beliefs via the mind? If nothing else, that's a lot of what we're on about here. Take it or leave it. Members on this forum are at liberty to conduct themselves any way they please. This is a great forum. I use it for self-reflection and to express what I perceive in my posts. If anyone - like you, for instance - comes along and makes a comment, I examine it. Two minds are always better than one. satch is my kind of guy. He left a conventional life in the UK and settled down in a culture unlike his own. Brits tend to do this. Americans, not so much. I did meet a yank or two married to Chinese women in Hong Kong. White men are always white (inside their heads) but when they are able to get off the beaten path of their fellow countrymen, their minds are not straitjacketed. There is wriggle room for an interesting conversation. satch said he would avoid me if he saw me in Thailand. I doubt that. With his spiritual bent, I would have him rolling on the floor after a couple of beers. Western men in Thailand didn't go there to worship the Buddha. They prefer Kuan Yin in high heels.
You are into spirituality up to your ankles. Others here are swimming in deeper waters way over their heads. Some of them are never coming back. I don't go into the water at all. My feet are firmly planted on terra firma on this shore where Joe Biden is.
Do thoughts imaginate Existence? Joe would find you nuts and so would every justice in the US Supreme Court.
My kind of spirituality has to relate to people in the real world; otherwise, it is la la land. As the Buddha said, there is only one truth, no second.
"Imaginate" is not a word. When you use non-words in a conversation, you become unintelligible.
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Jul 12, 2022 15:14:45 GMT -5
Post by sree on Jul 12, 2022 15:14:45 GMT -5
Members on this forum are at liberty to conduct themselves any way they please. This is a great forum. I use it for self-reflection and to express what I perceive in my posts. If anyone - like you, for instance - comes along and makes a comment, I examine it. Two minds are always better than one. satch is my kind of guy. He left a conventional life in the UK and settled down in a culture unlike his own. Brits tend to do this. Americans, not so much. I did meet a yank or two married to Chinese women in Hong Kong. White men are always white (inside their heads) but when they are able to get off the beaten path of their fellow countrymen, their minds are not straitjacketed. There is wriggle room for an interesting conversation. satch said he would avoid me if he saw me in Thailand. I doubt that. With his spiritual bent, I would have him rolling on the floor after a couple of beers. Western men in Thailand didn't go there to worship the Buddha. They prefer Kuan Yin in high heels.
You are into spirituality up to your ankles. Others here are swimming in deeper waters way over their heads. Some of them are never coming back. I don't go into the water at all. My feet are firmly planted on terra firma on this shore where Joe Biden is.
Do thoughts imaginate Existence? Joe would find you nuts and so would every justice in the US Supreme Court.
My kind of spirituality has to relate to people in the real world; otherwise, it is la la land. As the Buddha said, there is only one truth, no second.
"Imaginate" is not a word. When you use non-words in a conversation, you become unintelligible.
Thanks for sharing. I owe Krishnamurti for the insight into spiritual speak. The lingo of the dearly departed while the body is still alive.
The Buddha nearly starved himself to death before rejecting his ascetic teachers. I suffered for a few years parsing Krishnamurti's erudite passages and poetic phrasing of his altered state. I refused to accept that I was dumb, he was enlightened, and I couldn't cross over to that other shore where he was.
Bohm was smart. I gave him that. It wasn't the fact that he was an eminent academic and celebrated scientist. It was the way he questioned Krishnamurti. Tidy thinking. Yet, Bohm couldn't get it (Krishnamurti said that). I had to accept I was as dumb as Bohm, while Krishnamurti and his readers who understood his teaching of the selfless state were enlightened.
One can only have an insight into something silly in the real world. An awakening is a realization that you have stepped on dogshit, the kind you can detect with your senses.
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Jul 12, 2022 16:15:36 GMT -5
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 12, 2022 16:15:36 GMT -5
Wow, very insightful, cutting edge stuff.Thanks for sharing. I owe Krishnamurti for the insight into spiritual speak. The lingo of the dearly departed while the body is still alive.
The Buddha nearly starved himself to death before rejecting his ascetic teachers. I suffered for a few years parsing Krishnamurti's erudite passages and poetic phrasing of his altered state. I refused to accept that I was dumb, he was enlightened, and I couldn't cross over to that other shore where he was. Bohm was smart. I gave him that. It wasn't the fact that he was an eminent academic and celebrated scientist. It was the way he questioned Krishnamurti. Tidy thinking. Yet, Bohm couldn't get it (Krishnamurti said that). I had to accept I was as dumb as Bohm, while Krishnamurti and his readers who understood his teaching of the selfless state were enlightened. One can only have an insight into something silly in the real world. An awakening is a realization that you have stepped on dogshit, the kind you can detect with your senses.
You do realize the irony of someone who has claimed to have sailed the world, won’t step a toe into the water, is now claiming to have delved into K’s ‘teachings’ of the selfless state, and is now making all the proclamations about who knows what and what insights are available to mind and beyond, yes? Look, you don’t need to listen to me or anyone else on the forum, but if you don’t know something, either just say it and/or ask a question. In a lot of what you have said above, it would have sounded wiser than the sand castle stories above about people that sound like defenses and resistance. K was mostly asking folks to look at the conditioning, personal, cultural, and what’s immediately at play. To avoid it is to negate the insights of the life that is presently in play. A lot will choose to live it out in denial, as most have been conditioned to do. G’luck either way. 🔥✌🏽 |
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Jul 12, 2022 17:17:09 GMT -5
Post by sree on Jul 12, 2022 17:17:09 GMT -5
I owe Krishnamurti for the insight into spiritual speak. The lingo of the dearly departed while the body is still alive.
The Buddha nearly starved himself to death before rejecting his ascetic teachers. I suffered for a few years parsing Krishnamurti's erudite passages and poetic phrasing of his altered state. I refused to accept that I was dumb, he was enlightened, and I couldn't cross over to that other shore where he was. Bohm was smart. I gave him that. It wasn't the fact that he was an eminent academic and celebrated scientist. It was the way he questioned Krishnamurti. Tidy thinking. Yet, Bohm couldn't get it (Krishnamurti said that). I had to accept I was as dumb as Bohm, while Krishnamurti and his readers who understood his teaching of the selfless state were enlightened. One can only have an insight into something silly in the real world. An awakening is a realization that you have stepped on dogshit, the kind you can detect with your senses.
won’t step a toe into the water, is now claiming to have delved into K’s ‘teachings’ of the selfless state, and is now making all the proclamations about who knows what and what insights are available to mind and beyond, yes? Look, you don’t need to listen to me or anyone else on the forum, but if you don’t know something, either just say it and/or ask a question. In a lot of what you have said above, it would have sounded wiser than the sand castle stories above about people that sound like defenses and resistance. K was mostly asking folks to look at the conditioning, personal, cultural, and what’s immediately at play. To avoid it is to negate the insights of the life that is presently in play. A lot will choose to live it out in denial, as most have been conditioned to do. G’luck either way. 🔥✌🏽 I have not sailed the world. I get seasick. Mainly coastal waters in Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia. I own the boat but Najib is the skipper. He takes care of the boat.
I am not defensive at all. I have no spiritual positions to defend. My focus is on the nature of reality. I question our beliefs about it. It is self-inquiry that goes into why we are living the way we do. I don't regard Krishnamurti as a teacher of spirituality. He categorically rejected all religions including our western new age stuff as nonsense. His approach in the study of the phenomenon of the self-identity is unique. I don't view it as spiritual at all. Academic philosophy has taken a turn recently to question the nature of matter and objective reality.
I have always lamented that Krishnamurti did not have a formal education. It would have been easier for him to explain himself to us. In a way, he was lucky not to have his mind jammed with the kind of knowledge that has entrapped up in existential reality. He seemed to be able to slip out of time and space easily. Not for us. We are locked in Supermax.
But I am determined to break out like that guy in the Shawshank Redemption movie. Have you seen it?
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Jul 12, 2022 17:58:16 GMT -5
Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 12, 2022 17:58:16 GMT -5
You do realize the irony of someone who has claimed to have sailed the world, won’t step a toe into the water, is now claiming to have delved into K’s ‘teachings’ of the selfless state, and is now making all the proclamations about who knows what and what insights are available to mind and beyond, yes? Look, you don’t need to listen to me or anyone else on the forum, but if you don’t know something, either just say it and/or ask a question. In a lot of what you have said above, it would have sounded wiser than the sand castle stories above about people that sound like defenses and resistance. K was mostly asking folks to look at the conditioning, personal, cultural, and what’s immediately at play. To avoid it is to negate the insights of the life that is presently in play. A lot will choose to live it out in denial, as most have been conditioned to do. G’luck either way. 🔥✌🏽 I have not sailed the world. I get seasick. Mainly coastal waters in Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia. I own the boat but Najib is the skipper. He takes care of the boat.
I am not defensive at all. I have no spiritual positions to defend. My focus is on the nature of reality. I question our beliefs about it. It is self-inquiry that goes into why we are living the way we do. I don't regard Krishnamurti as a teacher of spirituality. He categorically rejected all religions including our western new age stuff as nonsense. His approach in the study of the phenomenon of the self-identity is unique. I don't view it as spiritual at all. Academic philosophy has taken a turn recently to question the nature of matter and objective reality.
I have always lamented that Krishnamurti did not have a formal education. It would have been easier for him to explain himself to us. In a way, he was lucky not to have his mind jammed with the kind of knowledge that has entrapped up in existential reality. He seemed to be able to slip out of time and space easily. Not for us. We are locked in Supermax.
But I am determined to break out like that guy in the Shawshank Redemption movie. Have you seen it?
You said he was a teacher, and I said he talked about conditoning... nothing of this speerchal teaching nonsense was even mentioned. No one ever said you were defending anything about spiritual positions, either. Slow down. Quit making all these assumptions.Think clearly, man. Yes, we're talking about self-inquiry, self-identity, etc--- conditoined beliefs. But most of what you seem to be sharing is being caught up in the stories, unconscious thought patterns, and petty judgments... the rest of the irony I alluded to. This is why you sound defensive, to be clear. If you think/believe anyone's locked in space time, then fine, own it and be honest about it. That's your conditioning. Excellent, we're finally getting somewhere. And then, you don't even know if K was actually conscious of having transcended time/space (hint: it's mostly a memory thing), nor really what it would look or sound like if he did. It's mostly just an assumption, which comes across as some 'amazing thing' that you dress him up in and believe. Why would you do such a thing? Sure sounds like the spiritual nonsense that you deemed bullocks, don't you think? Afterall, did you know that you fall in and out of the conscious time/space mindset, like all the time, but apparently were never aware of it? 🤨 If you don't want me to ask such questions, please feel free to just say so. No worries. I'm not selling anything. Take it or leave it. Yes, that movie is a lot about speerchal rebirth type stuff (when he crawls out of the rebirth canal and to safety freedom) mixed with transcending the prison bars of the self/beliefs. edited: safety/freedom |
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Jul 12, 2022 19:14:09 GMT -5
Post by sree on Jul 12, 2022 19:14:09 GMT -5
I have not sailed the world. I get seasick. Mainly coastal waters in Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia. I own the boat but Najib is the skipper. He takes care of the boat.
I am not defensive at all. I have no spiritual positions to defend. My focus is on the nature of reality. I question our beliefs about it. It is self-inquiry that goes into why we are living the way we do. I don't regard Krishnamurti as a teacher of spirituality. He categorically rejected all religions including our western new age stuff as nonsense. His approach in the study of the phenomenon of the self-identity is unique. I don't view it as spiritual at all. Academic philosophy has taken a turn recently to question the nature of matter and objective reality.
I have always lamented that Krishnamurti did not have a formal education. It would have been easier for him to explain himself to us. In a way, he was lucky not to have his mind jammed with the kind of knowledge that has entrapped up in existential reality. He seemed to be able to slip out of time and space easily. Not for us. We are locked in Supermax.
But I am determined to break out like that guy in the Shawshank Redemption movie. Have you seen it?
You said he was a teacher, and I said he talked about conditoning... nothing of this speerchal teaching nonsense was even mentioned. No one ever said you were defending anything about spiritual positions, either. Slow down. Quit making all these assumptions.Think clearly, man. Yes, we're talking about self-inquiry, self-identity, etc--- conditoined beliefs. But most of what you seem to be sharing is being caught up in the stories, unconscious thought patterns, and petty judgments... the rest of the irony I alluded to. This is why you sound defensive, to be clear. If you think/believe anyone's locked in space time, then fine, own it and be honest about it. That's your conditioning. Excellent, we're finally getting somewhere. And then, you don't even know if K was actually conscious of having transcended time/space (hint: it's mostly a memory thing), nor really what it would look or sound like if he did. It's mostly just an assumption, which comes across as some 'amazing thing' that you dress him up in and believe. Why would you do such a thing? Sure sounds like the spiritual nonsense that you deemed bullocks, don't you think? A fterall, did you know that you fall in and out of the conscious time/space mindset, like all the time, but apparently were never aware of it? 🤨 If you don't want me to ask such questions, please feel free to just say so. No worries. I'm not selling anything. Take it or leave it. Yes, that movie is a lot about speerchal rebirth type stuff (when he crawls out of the rebirth canal and to safety) mixed with transcending the prison bars of the self/beliefs. Are we all not locked in a space time reality? I assume that this is a universal human condition. I certainly am. What about you?
Krishnamurti described his "experiences" in his Notebook and Journal. I have no reason to doubt his honesty with regard to them. I did also suspect that those passages could have been the work of his editors. Those "experiences" are consistent with my theory on the nature of sensory perception and how our cognitive responses operate. I can discuss this with you if you want. I also invite you to share your views on this matter.
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Jul 12, 2022 19:37:57 GMT -5
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You said he was a teacher, and I said he talked about conditoning... nothing of this speerchal teaching nonsense was even mentioned. No one ever said you were defending anything about spiritual positions, either. Slow down. Quit making all these assumptions.Think clearly, man. Yes, we're talking about self-inquiry, self-identity, etc--- conditoined beliefs. But most of what you seem to be sharing is being caught up in the stories, unconscious thought patterns, and petty judgments... the rest of the irony I alluded to. This is why you sound defensive, to be clear. If you think/believe anyone's locked in space time, then fine, own it and be honest about it. That's your conditioning. Excellent, we're finally getting somewhere. And then, you don't even know if K was actually conscious of having transcended time/space (hint: it's mostly a memory thing), nor really what it would look or sound like if he did. It's mostly just an assumption, which comes across as some 'amazing thing' that you dress him up in and believe. Why would you do such a thing? Sure sounds like the spiritual nonsense that you deemed bullocks, don't you think? A fterall, did you know that you fall in and out of the conscious time/space mindset, like all the time, but apparently were never aware of it? 🤨 If you don't want me to ask such questions, please feel free to just say so. No worries. I'm not selling anything. Take it or leave it. Yes, that movie is a lot about speerchal rebirth type stuff (when he crawls out of the rebirth canal and to safety) mixed with transcending the prison bars of the self/beliefs. Are we all not locked in a space time reality? I assume that this is a universal human condition. I certainly am. What about you?
Krishnamurti described his "experiences" in his Notebook and Journal. I have no reason to doubt his honesty with regard to them. I did also suspect that those passages could have been the work of his editors. Those "experiences" are consistent with my theory on the nature of sensory perception and how our cognitive responses operate. I can discuss this with you if you want. I also invite you to share your views on this matter.
Good news! We are not locked in a space time reality! Everything that we perceive is simply appearing to us. What I meant to say is, everything exist only in perception. |
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Jul 12, 2022 19:47:50 GMT -5
Post by sree on Jul 12, 2022 19:47:50 GMT -5
Are we all not locked in a space time reality? I assume that this is a universal human condition. I certainly am. What about you?
Krishnamurti described his "experiences" in his Notebook and Journal. I have no reason to doubt his honesty with regard to them. I did also suspect that those passages could have been the work of his editors. Those "experiences" are consistent with my theory on the nature of sensory perception and how our cognitive responses operate. I can discuss this with you if you want. I also invite you to share your views on this matter.
Good news! We are not locked in a space time reality! Everything that we perceive is simply appearing to us. What I meant to say is, everything exist only in perception. Gopal, my dentist appointment is for July 18 at 12.15 pm. I am locked in. I can cancel the appointment or shift it to another date/time but I am still "locked in" to my dentist's space time world. We are all connected in that way.
I have stepped out of the conventional life some ten years ago when I had a job and personal relationships. I was pretty locked up in that world with other people's priorities. Even though I am relatively free living by myself, space time tis still there. You follow?
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Jul 12, 2022 20:04:02 GMT -5
Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 12, 2022 20:04:02 GMT -5
You said he was a teacher, and I said he talked about conditoning... nothing of this speerchal teaching nonsense was even mentioned. No one ever said you were defending anything about spiritual positions, either. Slow down. Quit making all these assumptions.Think clearly, man. Yes, we're talking about self-inquiry, self-identity, etc--- conditoined beliefs. But most of what you seem to be sharing is being caught up in the stories, unconscious thought patterns, and petty judgments... the rest of the irony I alluded to. This is why you sound defensive, to be clear. If you think/believe anyone's locked in space time, then fine, own it and be honest about it. That's your conditioning. Excellent, we're finally getting somewhere. And then, you don't even know if K was actually conscious of having transcended time/space (hint: it's mostly a memory thing), nor really what it would look or sound like if he did. It's mostly just an assumption, which comes across as some 'amazing thing' that you dress him up in and believe. Why would you do such a thing? Sure sounds like the spiritual nonsense that you deemed bullocks, don't you think? A fterall, did you know that you fall in and out of the conscious time/space mindset, like all the time, but apparently were never aware of it? 🤨 If you don't want me to ask such questions, please feel free to just say so. No worries. I'm not selling anything. Take it or leave it. Yes, that movie is a lot about speerchal rebirth type stuff (when he crawls out of the rebirth canal and to safety) mixed with transcending the prison bars of the self/beliefs. (1)Are we all not locked in a space time reality? I assume that this is a (2) universal human condition. (3)I certainly am. (4)What about you? (5)Krishnamurti described his "experiences" in his Notebook and Journal. I have no reason to doubt his honesty with regard to them. I did also suspect that those passages could have been the work of his editors. Those "experiences" are consistent with my theory on the nature of sensory perception and how our cognitive responses operate. I can discuss this with you if you want. I also invite you to share your views on this matter.
(1) NO. That involves being locked in your head with the mind's unquestioned conditioned beliefs running the show. (2) Do you think K was a human being (not in the Truth sense), or was he like some super-natural being? After all the hysterics about 'spirituality' and 'firmly on the ground' stuff that you've been on about, let's be clear. (3) Open up a bit, hand off the tiller. We need some space to work with to question that. (4) No. (5) We're not talking about K anymore. It's your onion on the chopping block, along with all your theories. Besides, you'll never know anyway. Pointless endeavor to try to know per se, other than maybe it will sharpen your thinking acuity. What do you think is necessary to give the sense of psychological time/space, as in outside of the NOW/HERE? And please, let's not get caught up in the what-abouts, the buts, and the how-can-one-live type of distractions. The hints already been given. Go slowly and don't rush your answer and jump to a bunch of overly personal conclusions that are basically employed to destroy your clarity on the matter (conditioned mind likes to do that). If you want to give examples to support your discussion, fine. There's Intelligence in the the muck...like some friggin lotus in a mud pond. If I don't answer tomorrow, I apologize in advance. I procrastinated WAY too much today, but still pulled off my objectives, just barely. Tomorrow is a bigger day of drama, more attention needed. If anyone wants to chime in at anytime, go for it. It's a forum with lots of good intentions at play. |
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Jul 12, 2022 20:34:42 GMT -5
Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 12, 2022 20:34:42 GMT -5
Good news! We are not locked in a space time reality! Everything that we perceive is simply appearing to us. What I meant to say is, everything exist only in perception. Gopal, my dentist appointment is for July 18 at 12.15 pm. I am locked in. I can cancel the appointment or shift it to another date/time but I am still "locked in" to my dentist's space time world. We are all connected in that way.
I have stepped out of the conventional life some ten years ago when I had a job and personal relationships. I was pretty locked up in that world with other people's priorities. Even though I am relatively free living by myself, space time tis still there. You follow?
Keeping your appointments and hanging out anywhere in the world is fine, but there's a dynamic at play that has created a sense of being "trapped" in a time/space paradigm that you must somehow escape, when throughout the day, you're very often not even in it. You're trying to escape the belief prison with the minds same erratic, often unconscious misconceptions that have created the prison. Time/space could be the playground, but that's not what you're seeing, is it? The Shawshank escape alluded to not denying the walls, not going under/around, but through... and these walls/bars are the one you're imagining. It's a weird thing, to be sure. |
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Jul 12, 2022 22:49:21 GMT -5
Post by sree on Jul 12, 2022 22:49:21 GMT -5
Gopal, my dentist appointment is for July 18 at 12.15 pm. I am locked in. I can cancel the appointment or shift it to another date/time but I am still "locked in" to my dentist's space time world. We are all connected in that way.
I have stepped out of the conventional life some ten years ago when I had a job and personal relationships. I was pretty locked up in that world with other people's priorities. Even though I am relatively free living by myself, space time tis still there. You follow?
Keeping your appointments and hanging out anywhere in the world is fine, but there's a dynamic at play that has created a sense of being "trapped" in a time/space paradigm that you must somehow escape, when throughout the day, you're very often not even in it. You're trying to escape the belief prison with the minds same erratic, often unconscious misconceptions that have created the prison. Time/space could be the playground, but that's not what you're seeing, is it? The Shawshank escape alluded to not denying the walls, not going under/around, but through... and these bars are the one you're imagining. It's a weird thing, to be sure. I am always in it. Every waking moment, I am trapped in a space/time reality. I need to send my car in next Friday. Elio is dead. Fred has taken over. After Fred has serviced the car, it has to get to the detailing center for wash and polish. There is always something coming up and has to be attended to. Then there is my neighbor's damn "Celibration of Life" event on Sunday, July 17. I won't go and will have to brave the evil eye from him.
Don't you have bills to pay, jury duty appointments to keep, etc. Do you live in an assisted living senior facility or what?
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