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Post by sree on Jun 23, 2022 18:25:39 GMT -5
After following your explanations to others, I think I know what you want to convey. Alignment with desire is what makes America great. Even the sky is not the limit. On Wall Street, greed has no limits. Here are two quotes from the Wolf (Jordan Belfort) himself: “The only thing standing between you and your goal is the bullshit story you keep telling yourself as to why you can't achieve it.”
“When you live your life by poor standards, you inflict damage on everyone who crosses your path, especially those you love.”
Alignment, to me, is the hand of God. Only the blessed ones tread the path of no resistance. The most talented golfer can miss a three-foot putt no matter how much he desires to sink it. Look at the alignment of this guy: Yes. That's basically it. There's an awesome video channel on youtube, called PEOPLE ARE AWESOME with tons of videos of people that show exceptional skills that sometimes seem super-human, but they really are just in alignment and having a great time. Pardon me, I am new here and have no idea that you are into theism. I am on board with you with regard to "alignment" but supernaturalism belongs to another era. People do still believe in God but you don't come across as a superstitious guy.
Alignment, to me, is a mysterious state. To view it in a context of personal power reinforces the paradigm of individualism.
Physical health is being discussed here in terms of the body, as in your body or my body but not the human body in general.
Why is selfishness such a powerful bent of mind? How do I align with the desire to wipe out this paradigm of individualism in which you and everyone else here are caught?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 21:49:35 GMT -5
To me it's 'dhamma', which means the universe works in nature's way, [...]
Notice how you keep limiting your ways to success by allowing only the one or two options the collective can agree upon. That's not nature's way, that's only the intellect's version of nature's way, which is basically making up excuses why you can't have instant manifestations. There are people who can channel in a language they've never learned. Similarly, using your piano example, instead of practicing piano for 20 year so that you can play Beethoven or Liszt without hurting your fingers, you could as well just channel the energy or stream of consciousness that Liszt and Beethoven represent and let it flow thru your body and then sit at your piano and play Liszt and Beethoven like Liszt and Beethoven. But why do it the easy way when you can do it the hard way, right?  I found a video of Reefs on his first day of piano lessons. Seriously, I used to play a bit of piano and often I prefer the simpler, slower, easier stuff. Like the musical equivalent of those Zen watercolors. ... Sometimes the "virtuoso" show-off pieces like Liszt are too... I don't know, noisy. But parts of this are beautiful, and amazing from a finger dexterity point of view. Somewhere around 6min she really goes nuts...  |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 23, 2022 23:19:44 GMT -5
Yes. That's basically it. There's an awesome video channel on youtube, called PEOPLE ARE AWESOME with tons of videos of people that show exceptional skills that sometimes seem super-human, but they really are just in alignment and having a great time. Pardon me, I am new here and have no idea that you are into theism. I am on board with you with regard to "alignment" but supernaturalism belongs to another era. People do still believe in God but you don't come across as a superstitious guy. Alignment, to me, is a mysterious state. To view it in a context of personal power reinforces the paradigm of individualism.
Physical health is being discussed here in terms of the body, as in your body or my body but not the human body in general.
Why is selfishness such a powerful bent of mind? How do I align with the desire to wipe out this paradigm of individualism in which you and everyone else here are caught?
It's not personal, it's impersonal. That's the whole point of alignment. It transcends the personal. And by doing so you will have skills and knowledge available you normally wouldn't. Read what I just posted in the other thread on this topic: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/485952 |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 24, 2022 0:34:50 GMT -5
I think I should do a comparison of THE SECRET and ASK AND IT IS GIVEN one day. People seem to think they are more or less the same. But they are worlds apart, actually. Well, as I alluded, I've had the benefit of years of dialog with you about alignment, so I can see difference you're referring to .. but I see the difficulty in the vocabulary Abe uses as stated, ie, "belief". Yes, Esther's vocabulary leaves much to be desired. Unlike Watts, who has a rich, specialized vocabulary on a rather broad range of topics, who is very articulate and to the point, Esther's vocabulary is limited to everyday language which can make more in-depth discussions rather frustrating for those who come to ask Abraham on some deeper issues, the likes we discuss here. The answers are usually rather vague. However, Abe tend to answer questions in a way that exactly matches the understanding of the one who asked the question, and so if you listen to several different dialogs on one and the same topic, you will see that topic approached from several different angles because one and the same question is asked from several different levels of understanding and so that way it all gains a lot more depth if you look at it as a whole. |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 24, 2022 5:25:23 GMT -5
All, I moved the off-topic discussion with Gopal over here. R |
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Post by lolly on Jun 24, 2022 18:19:14 GMT -5
I you want to play Liszt, just channel the composer (it's easier but it doesn't happen). Maybe there are people who can just step up to the keys and play a concerto, but if so, they are very rare and no one can name any. On the other hand, there are some thousands in the world who learned the piano, and after maybe a decade of consistent practice, are talented enough to play Liszt.
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Post by lolly on Jun 24, 2022 18:23:47 GMT -5
Sometimes a piece is technically simple but extremely hard to play because the nuance of it is so refined. On the other hand, some technical pieces are comparatively easy.
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Post by lolly on Jun 24, 2022 22:19:19 GMT -5
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Post by lolly on Jun 24, 2022 22:58:13 GMT -5
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Post by andrew on Jun 25, 2022 5:24:15 GMT -5
I don't disagree but I want to re-emphasise something I said. It's not, 'believe it and it will happen'. Manifesting an outcome in a seemingly extraordinary way would require a level of unusually rare congruence. It wouldn't be positive or wishful thinking. It would seem like an obvious and natural step to that individual, it may not even seem extraordinary to them. So the rules of 'nature', as abiding as they are, are still the rules of our reality creation. I don't believe at all that these rules should be disregarded or disrespected....quite the opposite. I support what you are saying, but also think there's an interesting broader context. Agreed. The broader context is that the cosmos is non-local, and THIS can manifest in ways that appear to violate all usual ideas about reality. I suspect that to fully accept this claim one would have to experience non-locality in some obvious and direct way. People who experience deep CC's often write about this, and spiritual literature is full of stories about this. How did Paul Morgan-Somers know the name of his future wife two years before he met her? How did Obaku know that he would be murdered three years in the future and how he would respond at that time? How did Bankei know that the wife of a good friend had died before visiting her husband to offer condolences? One of my initial existential questions was, "What could explain the 'miracle' stories in spiritual literature?" After a CC, I understood. THIS is a unified field of being that can do anything. Hakuin, who lived many years after Obaku was murdered, had the same kind of question about the story of Obaku until a CC, after which he said, "Wonder of wonders, I am Obaku, himself, alive and unharmed." What we are is not limited in how it can manifest.  yeah, nice. |
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Post by andrew on Jun 25, 2022 5:24:38 GMT -5
I don't disagree but I want to re-emphasise something I said. It's not, 'believe it and it will happen'. Manifesting an outcome in a seemingly extraordinary way would require a level of unusually rare congruence. It wouldn't be positive or wishful thinking. It would seem like an obvious and natural step to that individual, it may not even seem extraordinary to them. So the rules of 'nature', as abiding as they are, are still the rules of our reality creation. I don't believe at all that these rules should be disregarded or disrespected....quite the opposite. I support what you are saying, but also think there's an interesting broader context. Me too, there is an interesting broader context, and the way the universe works with a mind/matter thing is just unfolding as we want, but not in a predetermined way, so it might be weird to say we can have the kind of life we want, but not the one we expected. I think it's best to take care of this moment as it is, be present not because you want to, but because you are, and from that place there is a lot of possibility. The distance runners understand you have to be with just this step. This is the one that counts. Like the way you expressed that. |
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Post by andrew on Jun 25, 2022 5:30:00 GMT -5
Bashar calls this a permission slip. He explains that sometimes it's more appropriate for us to engage in a process, in order to allow ourselves to manifest an outcome. The process is a way of giving ourselves a 'permission slip', in this case, it's press ups. Though as part of that, sometimes the process itself is enjoyable....theoretically, there's any number of ways to manifest a cake, but the act of baking is the fun bit (for some folks, not me so much). In Abe-lingo that would be the 'path of least resistance', i.e. the easiest, most fun, most satisfying and most effortless path to get what we want, given our current beliefs. And that can and often does vary greatly from individual to individual. Some people allow money into their experience only after hard work and reject all other avenues, like winning the lottery or someone just handing them a stash of money. And so their experience will be that they have to work hard for money. Others are more open in terms of how they allow money into their experience. And so their experience will be that money seems to just fall into their lap wherever they go... they may find a stash of money in their locker that someone forgot, or they win the lottery, or their bank makes an accounting error and their bank balance is suddenly 10 times more, or they see someone at the side of the road with a broken down car and decide to offer their help and give that poor fellow a ride back into the city and a week later they realize that all their debts are miraculously paid off, because the guy they helped that day was a billionaire who just wanted to show his gratitude... And people who only believe in hard work will find that really really unfair. But from a LOA perspective, it is as fair as it gets. As Abe always say, the universe has endless ways to surprise and delight you and to satisfy your wishes and deliver what you want. Just don't stand in the way with expectations of having it delivered a very specific way. They often say that there are at least 20 or 30 different avenues always available to you that would lead you to wherever you want. But you can't see them because you are so narrowly focused on things coming to you a certain way. It's like going to the dock to catch a ship and when you arrive there, there is already one waiting but instead of hopping on board you say "Nah, that's way too easy" and you let that one go. And then there comes immediately another one, but again you say "That's too easy, things don't come that easily. And if they do, then there surely must be something wrong with that somewhere" and so you let that one go as well and you keep rejecting ship after ship until you have waited long enough and finally feel that you deserve to get on one of those ships and you just take the next one that comes along... and then you get on board and say, "Whew, I'm glad I finally made it, that surely wasn't easy" yeah, the concept of 'congruence' again springs to mind. I sometimes toy with the idea of a vast (by society standards) some of money flowing to me, and then I consider that I'd then have to actually do something with it, I'd have accounts to manage, and forms to fill in, and endless bureaucratic crap to deal with. And I'd have to come up with ways to spend it, because I don't like the sense of hoarding. It's not for me. Quite honestly, Tolle's homeless period actually sounds closer to my personality type, though also too much hard work in the other direction. In the end, I think we manifest what is most congruent to us, at any one time. |
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Post by andrew on Jun 25, 2022 5:32:19 GMT -5
Sure. If someone asked me....''Andrew, can you fly? Be honest.'' My answer is an immediate 'No. I cannot fly'. I'm not into self-deluding myself about my capabilities. The point about possibilities is more a spiritual point than a practical point, in the sense that we often talk about what it means to 'see through the idea of an objective world/universe', and for me, this relates to it. Reality isn't fixed...in a sense, the only rule is that we are collectively making up the rules. But equally, that doesn't mean that we then just break them willy nilly, we create rules to have a certain kind of experience, and a cohesive stability, and then we can also appreciate the extraordinary, like athletes. So I do agree with what you are saying, that looking at the statistics matters, as does looking at the type of person you are working with, and that includes looking at the kind of reality they are creating for themselves....what are the rules they are living by? Some folks might limit themselves TOO much e.g ''there's no way I could achieve that''. Yes, our physical environment comes with certain basic rules, and while these rules are not absolute rules, honoring and adhering to these basic rules makes for a more or less stable environment and collective experience. If, let's say, you play monopoly and decide that every time you go bankrupt that you allow yourself to add whatever amount of money you want to stay in the game, then you can certainly change the rules of the game that way, but then it's not the same game anymore. And you may be left playing alone because no one else may agree to play the game based on these kind of rules. Exactly. There's balance to be found in a way. |
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Post by andrew on Jun 25, 2022 5:33:27 GMT -5
I've seen it before, but it was worth watching again. It's amazing. Humans really are remarkable creatures. |
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Post by zendancer on Jun 25, 2022 7:46:43 GMT -5
I've seen it before, but it was worth watching again. It's amazing. Humans really are remarkable creatures. Great video! I've seen it before, but I'm always amazed at how close he appears to come to trees and rock faces. One miscalculation and the ride comes to an abrupt end. |
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