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Post by laughter on Jan 20, 2021 15:54:19 GMT -5
I'm grappling this week with the appearance that a large number of republicans in the US have formed themselves into an alternative reality in which they believe they are in the majority and the only possible way for the democrats to have won the election is for nefarious forces to have rigged it. And presumably (because the democrats won the popular vote also in 2016) that the previous election was also rigged, but 'They' just failed to rig it sufficiently in key states. This is not particularly a spiritual matter, but it has a parallel. We're all here (I hope) attempting to see What Is. What is true. What we have here is an opportunity to examine at a macro level, the motivations and mechanisms for a denial of reality (small r). The filters of selecting things we like and discarding the things we don't like until a world view is formed. Well I guess people have always believed what they want to believe and/or take on the beliefs handed to them by their parents. And then taken that view, identified the opposition as 'Other' and 'Evil' and kill them for it. But when it was just in the realm of religion it was one unprovable belief against another unprovable belief. In the political sphere though, we're saying there are facts and that they can be proven. People are missing the big picture that is playing out literally through our eyes. There is a literal alternate digital reality being created and humanity's addiction to the screen and all that mind has produced is the manifestation of such. The continuing degradation of truth and reality is a result of the phase transition occurring within human consciousness. Our consciousness is being affected in a similar way as passing the event horizon of a black hole. Beyond the event horizon time and space are no longer clearly distinguishable. As we apporach the technological singularity (occuring ~ 2040) space/time becomes more ubiquitous. Space, time, everything that makes this realm what it is, is being twisted, deformed, inverted, as spacetime merges into the singularity. Everything, even climate change, is a fractal/hologram of this fundamental phase transition. The poles are experiencing 2-4xs as much heating as the rest of the planet. The earth is transitioning from a stable climate with a type of thermal layering where the poles are cold and the equator is hot. What's happening is that the layers are collapsing which is causing the cold air from the poles to mix with the hot air from the equator. So the climate that use to be separate (cold at the extremes, hot in the middle) like space and time, is becoming ubiquitous; the temperature will be more or less the same at every location on the earth. During this process all of the millennia-old systems (the jet stream, gulf stream, etc) are shifting and breaking down. This is what is happening to the collective human consciousness. WE ARE GOING MAD. Those who are more addicted to the screen and what mind creates will fall into madness quicker than those who are less addicted. The way to combat this is by turning away from the screen and all that mind creates. This process is the equivalent of incest. It turns out really badly. I find many of your points about the negative aspects of the shift of attention to screens to be well made, but refusing to allow attention to land there could be analogized to someone who refused to teach their children how to read after the first printing presses came on line. It occurs to me as I write this that perhaps we have a certain opportunity and responsibility to influence younger people as the last few generations with living experience prior-to the internet. I understand that you might find that futile given your predictions, please don't mind me, I'm just Too-Much-Thinking out loud.  |
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Post by laughter on Jan 20, 2021 15:57:21 GMT -5
What?! No interest in WIBIGO? besides, while I suppose WIBIGO, if understood, could be applied in any circumstance.. but I do think people sometimes try to slap that label onto ordinary mental activity; wrongly. WIBIGO is about as ordinary as it could ever possibly get, and it's neither right nor wrong .. it's .. well ... you know .. what in the blazes is going on??  |
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Post by laughter on Jan 20, 2021 16:38:20 GMT -5
No the offer was to add specific facts that ran counter to your perception that noone had challenged the electoral procedures prior-to the election. IOW: WIBIGO. That the cases are obscure to you speaks to your sources of information, and is as about as relevant to the OP as it could ever possibly get. I don't believe the election was rigged or stolen so I didn't seek out stories or follow leads which would hopefully confirm that belief. is a false causality. One need not hold a fixed opinion about the honesty of the election to have a curiosity on the topic. I explained why some people are curious in my 2nd paragraph here, and it seems to me that your absence of curiosity led you to believe a falsehood. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 20, 2021 16:40:15 GMT -5
WIBIGO is about as ordinary as it could ever possibly get, and it's neither right nor wrong .. it's .. well ... you know .. what in the blazes is going on?? is it 'what's going on?' or 'what's actually going on?' WIBIGO is an acronym for What In the Blazes Is Goin' On??  |
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Post by laughter on Jan 20, 2021 17:29:44 GMT -5
This is a false causality. One need not hold a fixed opinion about the honesty of the election to have a curiosity on the topic. I explained why some people are curious in my 2nd paragraph here, and it seems to me that your absence of curiosity led you to believe a falsehood. I think it immature to call my legitimate question a "falsehood". Simply change my wording to say "two minor challenges" instead of "no challenges", if such a distinction is important to you. Your perception of the nature of my writing is subjective, and so forms no basis for continued objective dialog.  What question are you referring to? I traced the dialog back-links to here, and none of your writing seems to contain one. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 20, 2021 17:39:00 GMT -5
I figure some people used the "Stop the Steal" mantra simply as a way to delegitimize Biden's presidency before it even began. Likely an accurate assessment in some cases, no doubt, but entirely independent of the underlying objective facts with regard to irregularities, both potential, and now, well-established. |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 21, 2021 1:14:40 GMT -5
Actually, I can think of at least two court cases where there were pre-election objections. In each case, they were eventually, ultimately, sustained, but then the resulting orders were ignored. Would you like links and detailed descriptions? The topic of the litigation of this election is a complex one encompassing hundreds of cases fought over the months both before and after, with several of the most relevant not even completed by the time the results were formalized on 1/6. In many if not most cases the post-election measures were dismissed on procedural grounds. Usually on issues of standing or laches. In the business this is called "not reaching the merits". One instance that I know of where facts were presented was in NV, and the Supreme Court of that state gave the Trump campaign exactly two hours to prepare their appellate brief so that the Dec 8th "safe harbor" deadline could be achieved by their executive branch. Did you know that in one case brought by the Republican Party of WI the Supreme Court of that state did rule (after the recount) that well over 100,000 votes were cast improperly? Did you know the reason they took no action based on this finding was because they required proof, on a vote-by-vote basis, as to whom exactly each of those votes was cast, and that some subset of them were potentially valid? Were you aware of those two cases, and if not, why do you think that is? Was your perception, instead, the widely reported press-meme of "Rudy is 2-89", or whatever the details of the meme was at the time? Are you talking about Trump v. Biden Wisconsin where the Trump campaign claimed 221,000 votes in Dane and Milwaukee counties should be thrown out because election officials in those counties misapplied the criteria for "indefinite confinement." The case decided 4-3 for the defendants by the conservative majority, elected, Wisconsin Supreme Court. The one Judge Hagedorn, a conservative who wrote the majority opinion, likened it to challenging the adopted rules of the game after the game is over. As judge Hagedorn pointed out the number of "indefiniely confined" voter applications increased in every county in Wisconsin, but Trump only challenged the votes in two. Pretty much the same case that Federal Court Judge Ludwig, a Trump appointee, dismissed with prejudice. And a dismissal a 7th Court of Appeals panel unanimously upheld. That panel also included a Trump appointed judge. How about Georgia were Trump claimed signature matching was done improperly in Gwinnet county, I believe, and an audit of 4,000 signatures by handwriting experts only found 2 suspicious signatures, which btw were later confirmed to be valid. Or the claim by some that precincts in Wayne County Michigan had more votes cast than registered voters. Again another claim contradicted by the facts. There is no such precinct. I went through 105 pages of voter stats trying to find it. It wasn't there. In fact Wayne County had 62% voter turnout compared to 68% in the state. Detroit had voter turnout number in the 50s. Hillary got 30,000 more votes in Wayne County than Biden. Or Tucker Quarrelsome readng off the names of dead people in Georgia who voted but who turned out to be very much alive. Or the postal worker who claimed he saw folks backdating ballots. He admitted he saw no such thing. Or the claim of the video that bogus votes were being pulled out from boxes under tables in Fulton County when there weren't supposed to be any election workers at that site, ordered to start counting the next morning because of the burst pipe when in fact the Georgia secretary of state had countermanned the county official order and made them count ballots through the night. Or the case of poor Ruby Freeman. Talk about screwing innocent people. Or in Arizona where they claimed a van was bringing in bogus ballots when it was a news van bringing in video equipment. I can go on. Name the case in Nevada. I'd like to research it. Look when your own AG says there was no evidence of widespread fraud, there more than likely is no widespread fraud. Plain and simple the guy lost and he lost big. By more than 7,000,000 votes. Can't wait for Scott Adams sequel to Winning Bigly. +1 |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 21, 2021 1:16:07 GMT -5
What?! No interest in WIBIGO? Ha! in the back of my head there is a picture of a cat with tape over it's mouth but Laffy's offer was to describe two obscure legal cases that had zero impact on the national election.. ..and I think I would pass on that in any setting  |
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Post by zendancer on Jan 21, 2021 7:13:21 GMT -5
What put the nails in the coffin were the two hand recounts in Georgia showing no significant difference from the machine count and a point by point refutation by Republicans who ran the election of all the bogus claims and outright lies. The election did illustrate one thing rather well--that if a lie is repeated often enough, an increasing number of people will eventually believe it even if it's totally unsupported by any evidence. Then there's the TAT teacher who told people on a virtual retreat last year that tanks and thousands of military were being secretly assembled and would soon burst into view and imprison all of the satanic pedophiles operating the deep state. You can't make this stuff up. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 21, 2021 8:24:12 GMT -5
I don't know if the results were manipulated, or election rigged, I don't know enough about that side of it
I am far more confident that covid was used manipulatively against Trump, through suppression of medicines and remedies that are used successfully in another countries, and if your situation is like the UK's, then your testing system and death certificate marking has been very flawed.
To be clear, I consider covid to have been dangerous, particularly to certain groups of people, and hence why I see the suppression of medicines and remedies to be THE most corrupt aspect of what's been going on.
I'm not sorry or regretful to see the back of Trump, but I feel that there is a deep lie associated with the new administration, which is a very poor basis to start from., I think it could be a rocky road ahead (not a bad thing).
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Post by zendancer on Jan 21, 2021 8:34:45 GMT -5
What put the nails in the coffin were the two hand recounts in Georgia showing do significant difference from the machine count and a point by point refutation by Republicans who ran the election of all the bogus claims and outright lies. The election did illustrate one thing rather well--that if a lie is repeated often enough, an increasing number of people will eventually believe it even if it's totally unsupported by any evidence. Then there's the TAT teacher who told people on a virtual retreat last year that tanks and thousands of military were being secretly assembled and would soon burst into view and imprison all of the satanic pedophiles operating the deep state. You can't make this stuff up. You must not get out much There is never, ever, EVER! a final nail in the coffin! You can't even get one secured before two more pop out.  |
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Post by zazeniac on Jan 21, 2021 9:12:58 GMT -5
I deleted my post after I wrote it because the feelings shifted and wanted no part of the animus. Kind of got it out of my system once written. Next time I'll write it out on notepad first, before I post it. I walked away from politics because I saw what it did to my parents who were consumed with hatred much of their lives. Not judging them. They lost family and good friends. Many loved ones tortured and executed.
But I got to see things first hand in Nicaragua in the 70s. It ain't pretty. People on both sides doing terrible things for what they believed were justified reasons. It can get very messy and crazy. Passion can be a dangerous thing. It's a slippery slope when you vilify others.
That's why I love it when my son keeps reminding me Trump is God.
Anyway, I have nothing but respect for Laughy and feel that if he sees some things as untoward then perhaps we should take a close second look to make sure it doesn't happen again. Perhaps a blue ribbon commission with folks from both parties to heal this rift. I can't believe that in a highly tech advanced country where folks can go online and verify their identify to claim social security and Medicare, we can't devise a pretty much fool proof, easy to use, voting system.
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Post by andrew on Jan 21, 2021 9:20:31 GMT -5
I don't know if the results were manipulated, or election rigged, I don't know enough about that side of it I am far more confident that covid was used manipulatively against Trump, through suppression of medicines and remedies that are used successfully in another countries, and if your situation is like the UK's, then your testing system and death certificate marking has been very flawed. To be clear, I consider covid to have been dangerous, particularly to certain groups of people, and hence why I see the suppression of medicines and remedies to be THE most corrupt aspect of what's been going on. I'm not sorry or regretful to see the back of Trump, but I feel that there is a deep lie associated with the new administration, which is a very poor basis to start from., I think it could be a rocky road ahead (not a bad thing). what lie is Biden starting off with? and who manipulated covid against Trump? 1. The lie that very little could be done medicinally about covid. The fudging of the case numbers and death certificates (I believe you use the same system there, as in the UK), that has it made it very difficult to establish the true danger and contagiousness of covid. 2. Whatever forces want Trump out, and also have the capacity to manipulate the situation. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 21, 2021 9:23:50 GMT -5
I deleted my post after I wrote it because the feelings shifted and wanted no part of the animus. Kind of got it out of my system once written. Next time I'll write it out on notepad first, before I post it. I walked away from politics because I saw what it did to my parents who were consumed with hatred much of their lives. Not judging them. They lost family and good friends. Many loved ones tortured and executed. But I got to see things first hand in Nicaragua in the 70s. It ain't pretty. People on both sides doing terrible things for what they believed were justified reasons. It can get very messy and crazy. Passion can be a dangerous thing. It's a slippery slope when you vilify others. That's why I love it when my son keeps reminding me Trump is God. Anyway, I have nothing but respect for Laughy and feel that if he sees some things as untoward then perhaps we should take a close second look to make sure it doesn't happen again. Perhaps a blue ribbon commission with folks from both parties to heal this rift. I can't believe that in a highly tech advanced country where folks can go online and verify their identify to claim social security and Medicare, we can't devise a pretty much fool proof, easy to use, voting system. Yes, I also believe highly abusive things can be done with really quite noble intentions. In many countries, governments may sincerely wish to keep their people 'safe'. Seems noble. But that doesn't mean that what they are doing isn't highly abusive in the name of that safety. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 21, 2021 9:29:07 GMT -5
To give one example, HCQ has now been very well studied globally. There's a consensus agreement, that used early, and perhaps in conjunction with other medicines, that it IS useful. Studies in America done on HCQ were approx 4 times more likely that any other study to show unpromising results. Politics, science, power and money CANNOT be divorced from each other. Broad summary of HCQ studies here hcqmeta.com/Ivermectin is probably even more useful. |
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