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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 18:09:07 GMT -5
There's no such word as can't. Just say that you don't want to watch it, because you're ruled by your emotions. There really is a word... 'can't'. If I'm ruled by my emotions, then that would be why I 'can't'  I know the word 'can't isn't very spiritually fashionable, but it applies to my experience at times, and I'm fine to use it I don't have the same filter as you, right? Absolutely correct. To me he's just a man doing a job. Could Jeremy Corbyn have done a better job? |
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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2021 18:12:42 GMT -5
There really is a word... 'can't'. If I'm ruled by my emotions, then that would be why I 'can't' I know the word 'can't isn't very spiritually fashionable, but it applies to my experience at times, and I'm fine to use it I don't have the same filter as you, right? Absolutely correct. To me he's just a man doing a job. Could Jeremy Corbyn have done a better job? I really don't know...genuinely, I really cant say. I can say that I'm not sorry at all now that Corbyn lost the election. And I mean, not sorry AT ALL. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 18:14:16 GMT -5
Absolutely correct. To me he's just a man doing a job. Could Jeremy Corbyn have done a better job? I really don't know...genuinely, I really cant say. I can say that I'm not sorry at all now that Corbyn lost the election. And I mean, not sorry AT ALL. I believe ya. |
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Post by zazeniac on Jan 26, 2021 18:26:16 GMT -5
My wife's aunt and uncle died of covid. There are immune compromised folk in my family. When people don't wear a mask indoors around me or my family, I perceive it as a threat. I can't knock them on their arse because it's against the law so I flip them off. I don't care to argue or have any interest in convincing you about its benefits.Appreciated. I also see no value in trying to convince you of why they don't work (I'm not convinced either way myself so it would be silly from that angle too)...and it's not interesting to me to discuss here. I'm interested in 'conditioning', because it relates to spirituality, but if you don't wish to talk about it, that's no problem. The "conditioning" spiel is always you're conditioned but I'm not. I only see it as sincere when the approach is about one's own conditioning not someone else. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2021 18:31:11 GMT -5
Appreciated. I also see no value in trying to convince you of why they don't work (I'm not convinced either way myself so it would be silly from that angle too)...and it's not interesting to me to discuss here. I'm interested in 'conditioning', because it relates to spirituality, but if you don't wish to talk about it, that's no problem. The "conditioning" spiel is always you're conditioned but I'm not. I only see it as sincere when the approach is about one's own conditioning not someone else. The only way I can talk about the conditioning of the pandemic/masks etc is because I see it in myself ever so clearly. I see the neuroticism, the irritations, the stress. All of it. The only difference between me and most folks on the street is that I look closely at how it's being created. I look at my own beliefs, my internal associations, and their relation to external triggers. Everything you could possibly describe in your conditioning is because I see it in me too. I can only talk about it openly here, in other contexts, it's likely to cause offence and anger, and I have no wish to create that for me or others (it may cause offence/anger here too, but I trust to an extent that folks here take decent self-responsibility for that). I'm not forcing you to talk, I genuinely understand why you might not want to, and don't mind that at all. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2021 18:43:47 GMT -5
In regard to masks, I had an experience shortly after the mandate which perhaps impacted on my conditioning.
My Dad was dying at home. I was here with my wife (who is 'vulnerable'), my uncle (in his 70s), and my slightly older sister who had literally just recovered from covid.
The paramedics came to the house that day, and there was a point at which it was clear there was no way back for my Dad. As they were explaining to me the situation, they asked if they could take their masks off, they said they were struggling to have this kind of conversation with me, while wearing the masks. I said 'yes!' and felt an enormous relief at seeing their faces. We felt fully connected and they were able to fully explain the situation with my Dad.
They stayed some time, without masks, and it was fully appreciated by us. There was sense of humaneness to the situation. Okay...maybe there was slight 'risk of spread' but there was something more important. The connection between human beings deeply mattered in that moment. The ability to look at each other and share emotion. The ability to look at each other and empathize. There was no anxiety, no stress, no tension.
And I think that impacted on me, not at a 'mental level', but at a very tangible physical body level, that my body won't let me forget.
My opinion is that if there is a slight offsetting of risk by wearing a mask (as said, I don't think it's clear either way), I think that slight benefit is massively offset by the loss of human connection, empathy, and shared emotion. I think it creates massive tension between people (which ultimately is bad for our health), and this tension is then expressed one way as, 'Put your mask on!!'
Just my opinion of course.
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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2021 19:04:05 GMT -5
FWIW Zaz, I'm very sorry for the loss of people that you obviously cared about. Very sorry. I guess it's been a tough year. I guess it has for many people. I'm not here to 'minimize' the seriousness of covid, if anything I'm interested in how each of us play a role in its creation. That might not be an interest for you, and that's fair enough, but I look at it in me, because I see people suffering, and I want to know what I can do about it. If my solutions aren't 'conventional', maybe that's not a bad thing...the conventional solutions aren't great.
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Post by zazeniac on Jan 26, 2021 19:05:52 GMT -5
In regard to masks, I had an experience shortly after the mandate which perhaps impacted on my conditioning. My Dad was dying at home. I was here with my wife (who is 'vulnerable'), my uncle (in his 70s), and my slightly older sister who had literally just recovered from covid. The paramedics came to the house that day, and there was a point at which it was clear there was no way back for my Dad. As they were explaining to me the situation, they asked if they could take their masks off, they said they were struggling to have this kind of conversation with me, while wearing the masks. I said 'yes!' and felt an enormous relief at seeing their faces. We felt fully connected and they were able to fully explain the situation with my Dad. They stayed some time, without masks, and it was fully appreciated by us. There was sense of humaneness to the situation. Okay...maybe there was slight 'risk of spread' but there was something more important. The connection between human beings deeply mattered in that moment. The ability to look at each other and share emotion. The ability to look at each other and empathize. There was no anxiety, no stress, no tension. And I think that impacted on me, not at a 'mental level', but at a very tangible physical body level, that my body won't let me forget. My opinion is that if there is a slight offsetting of risk by wearing a mask (as said, I don't think it's clear either way), I think that slight benefit is massively offset by the loss of human connection, empathy, and shared emotion. I think it creates massive tension between people (which ultimately is bad for our health), and this tension is then expressed one way as, 'Put your mask on!!' Just my opinion of course. Nice story. I too like that they recognized that this situation demanded taking a risk and that they asked. I do understand that there are instances when compassion demands we set rules aside. My biggest concern is not me, but my family and secondly those poor folk having to deal with this. I spoke to the nurse and doctor taking care of my wife's aunt. You could hear the stress and fatigue in their voices. I have spoken to my exhausted and horrified nephew, an intern at a Houston hospital, who has seen too much death already in his young life because of this disease. I can't believe it when folks scoff at 400,000 deaths. Well 500,000 people die of cancer. True but with that thinking the deaths in the Vietnam War were merely a blip. This is a horrible situation for a small sector of the population. True. But it doesn't make it any less horrible. Personally, I have zero stress. Being an introvert I rarely speak to folks outside my family. I played two hours of tennis today. I got takeout from one of my favorite restaurant. I play with my parrots and dogs. About to go play with my aussie cattle doggie in the backyard. Her evening ball play under the flood lights. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2021 19:25:36 GMT -5
In regard to masks, I had an experience shortly after the mandate which perhaps impacted on my conditioning. My Dad was dying at home. I was here with my wife (who is 'vulnerable'), my uncle (in his 70s), and my slightly older sister who had literally just recovered from covid. The paramedics came to the house that day, and there was a point at which it was clear there was no way back for my Dad. As they were explaining to me the situation, they asked if they could take their masks off, they said they were struggling to have this kind of conversation with me, while wearing the masks. I said 'yes!' and felt an enormous relief at seeing their faces. We felt fully connected and they were able to fully explain the situation with my Dad. They stayed some time, without masks, and it was fully appreciated by us. There was sense of humaneness to the situation. Okay...maybe there was slight 'risk of spread' but there was something more important. The connection between human beings deeply mattered in that moment. The ability to look at each other and share emotion. The ability to look at each other and empathize. There was no anxiety, no stress, no tension. And I think that impacted on me, not at a 'mental level', but at a very tangible physical body level, that my body won't let me forget. My opinion is that if there is a slight offsetting of risk by wearing a mask (as said, I don't think it's clear either way), I think that slight benefit is massively offset by the loss of human connection, empathy, and shared emotion. I think it creates massive tension between people (which ultimately is bad for our health), and this tension is then expressed one way as, 'Put your mask on!!' Just my opinion of course. Nice story. I too like that they recognized that this situation demanded taking a risk and that they asked. I do understand that there are instances when compassion demands we set rules aside. My biggest concern is not me, but my family and secondly those poor folk having to deal with this. I spoke to the nurse and doctor taking care of my wife's aunt. You could hear the stress and fatigue in their voices. I have spoken to my exhausted and horrified nephew, an intern at a Houston hospital, who has seen too much death already in his young life because of this disease. I can't believe it when folks scoff at 400,000 deaths. Well 500,000 people die of cancer. True but with that thinking the deaths in the Vietnam War were merely a blip. This is a horrible situation for a small sector of the population. True. But it doesn't make it any less horrible. Personally, I have zero stress. Being an introvert I rarely speak to folks outside my family. I played two hours of tennis today. I got takeout from one of my favorite restaurant. I play with my parrots and dogs. About to go play with my aussie cattle doggie in the backyard. Her evening ball play under the flood lights. Cool. The fatigue among doctors and nurses is largely true for here too I believe. Here in the UK we're packed pretty close, and there are many people questioning the narratives, and sceptics of different kinds, but we're close enough to each other to know better than to do much actual 'scoffing' at the numbers. Even sceptics usually tread a little more cautiously than that. I'll offer those comparative numbers at times...NOT to minimize the deaths or the sufferings, but to try and talk about the way that I believe we are being psychologically manipulated. I hope that distinction makes sense. I believe that the anxiety and stress that sooo many people are experiencing goes beyond the numbers of people dying, and there's something else also happening to provoke the emotions and mental struggle. And that this internal struggle is contributing to the continued perpetuation of the situation in its own way. The interesting times in terms of the conditioning are in terms of situations like the grocery store. That's when I get to really observe my own conditioning at play. The inner tension between a) a desire for human connection that isn't filtered with a level of anxiety that taking precautions predicates......b) recognizing my own sense of wanting to exercise caution....c) recognizing other people's desire for me to exercise caution around them. There are probably even more inner dynamics than that happening all at the same time!...and I observe them all playing out. I don't have the luxury of congruence. I see other people wearing masks for hours without struggle and it fascinates me...they are absolutely congruent with the wearing of them. Equally I occasionally see people walking into a shop without a mask and the congruence of that fascinates me too. I am then fascinated by the congruence of the angry person that challenges them! So many interesting aspects to the conditioning of all this. |
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Post by zazeniac on Jan 26, 2021 21:20:43 GMT -5
Nice story. I too like that they recognized that this situation demanded taking a risk and that they asked. I do understand that there are instances when compassion demands we set rules aside. My biggest concern is not me, but my family and secondly those poor folk having to deal with this. I spoke to the nurse and doctor taking care of my wife's aunt. You could hear the stress and fatigue in their voices. I have spoken to my exhausted and horrified nephew, an intern at a Houston hospital, who has seen too much death already in his young life because of this disease. I can't believe it when folks scoff at 400,000 deaths. Well 500,000 people die of cancer. True but with that thinking the deaths in the Vietnam War were merely a blip. This is a horrible situation for a small sector of the population. True. But it doesn't make it any less horrible. Personally, I have zero stress. Being an introvert I rarely speak to folks outside my family. I played two hours of tennis today. I got takeout from one of my favorite restaurant. I play with my parrots and dogs. About to go play with my aussie cattle doggie in the backyard. Her evening ball play under the flood lights. Cool. The fatigue among doctors and nurses is largely true for here too I believe. Here in the UK we're packed pretty close, and there are many people questioning the narratives, and sceptics of different kinds, but we're close enough to each other to know better than to do much actual 'scoffing' at the numbers. Even sceptics usually tread a little more cautiously than that. I'll offer those comparative numbers at times...NOT to minimize the deaths or the sufferings, but to try and talk about the way that I believe we are being psychologically manipulated. I hope that distinction makes sense. I believe that the anxiety and stress that sooo many people are experiencing goes beyond the numbers of people dying, and there's something else also happening to provoke the emotions and mental struggle. And that this internal struggle is contributing to the continued perpetuation of the situation in its own way. The interesting times in terms of the conditioning are in terms of situations like the grocery store. That's when I get to really observe my own conditioning at play. The inner tension between a) a desire for human connection that isn't filtered with a level of anxiety that taking precautions predicates......b) recognizing my own sense of wanting to exercise caution....c) recognizing other people's desire for me to exercise caution around them. There are probably even more inner dynamics than that happening all at the same time!...and I observe them all playing out. I don't have the luxury of congruence. I see other people wearing masks for hours without struggle and it fascinates me...they are absolutely congruent with the wearing of them. Equally I occasionally see people walking into a shop without a mask and the congruence of that fascinates me too. I am then fascinated by the congruence of the angry person that challenges them! So many interesting aspects to the conditioning of all this. I like this post very much. I learned from it. Thanks. |
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Post by esponja on Jan 26, 2021 21:39:20 GMT -5
Nice story. I too like that they recognized that this situation demanded taking a risk and that they asked. I do understand that there are instances when compassion demands we set rules aside. My biggest concern is not me, but my family and secondly those poor folk having to deal with this. I spoke to the nurse and doctor taking care of my wife's aunt. You could hear the stress and fatigue in their voices. I have spoken to my exhausted and horrified nephew, an intern at a Houston hospital, who has seen too much death already in his young life because of this disease. I can't believe it when folks scoff at 400,000 deaths. Well 500,000 people die of cancer. True but with that thinking the deaths in the Vietnam War were merely a blip. This is a horrible situation for a small sector of the population. True. But it doesn't make it any less horrible. Personally, I have zero stress. Being an introvert I rarely speak to folks outside my family. I played two hours of tennis today. I got takeout from one of my favorite restaurant. I play with my parrots and dogs. About to go play with my aussie cattle doggie in the backyard. Her evening ball play under the flood lights. Cool. The fatigue among doctors and nurses is largely true for here too I believe. Here in the UK we're packed pretty close, and there are many people questioning the narratives, and sceptics of different kinds, but we're close enough to each other to know better than to do much actual 'scoffing' at the numbers. Even sceptics usually tread a little more cautiously than that. I'll offer those comparative numbers at times...NOT to minimize the deaths or the sufferings, but to try and talk about the way that I believe we are being psychologically manipulated. I hope that distinction makes sense. I believe that the anxiety and stress that sooo many people are experiencing goes beyond the numbers of people dying, and there's something else also happening to provoke the emotions and mental struggle. And that this internal struggle is contributing to the continued perpetuation of the situation in its own way. The interesting times in terms of the conditioning are in terms of situations like the grocery store. That's when I get to really observe my own conditioning at play. The inner tension between a) a desire for human connection that isn't filtered with a level of anxiety that taking precautions predicates......b) recognizing my own sense of wanting to exercise caution....c) recognizing other people's desire for me to exercise caution around them. There are probably even more inner dynamics than that happening all at the same time!...and I observe them all playing out. I don't have the luxury of congruence. I see other people wearing masks for hours without struggle and it fascinates me...they are absolutely congruent with the wearing of them. Equally I occasionally see people walking into a shop without a mask and the congruence of that fascinates me too. I am then fascinated by the congruence of the angry person that challenges them! So many interesting aspects to the conditioning of all this. I’m with you. My job is to release stress around certain issues and reprogramme the subconscious mind -.Dr Lipton talks about it as his number 1 modality for subconscious change in his book ‘’The Biology of Belief’. We’ve all, as facilitators looked at our fear around death and balanced around it. I’ve yet to speak to any facilitator (globally) who are in fear of any of this. We align our subconscious with the principles of nature such as adaptability. One facilitator caught covid and lost her smell, she did the energetic work (i.e aligned beliefs) and took zinc and supplements and was ok again after a few weeks. We are very lucky here in Perth. Partly, I believe because people are used to following strict rules, I’d imagine Singapore is the same.. and our border control has always been strict. We also have Vit D and less population and distance between us all. We’ve had 0 cases for months but the control is strict and nobody really flying around (apart from VIPs who seem to have their own rules). |
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Post by laughter on Jan 26, 2021 22:49:37 GMT -5
Oh. Wow. I just realized. Politicians lie. WOW!  The maniac suggested I've been led into a fascist trance, and that's the corporate media meme, that people like me bought a big lie on the strength of Trumps personality. ..... (omg that is soooo funny ...). It's yet another projection. There's a reason "orange man bad" is a meme: the corporate media used all of his personality flaws to evoke a negative emotional reaction that has blinded people to the facts of the opposition. You can complain about the policies you don't like all you want, but it doesn't explain the underlying deep unconsciousness. I'm sorry, my comment was not a continuation of your other convo, just an independent observation about something I saw. carry on. To expect politicians to be truthful is naive, while tolerating lies from the media you consume is willful blindness. There are dozens of instances of alleged Trump lies that aren't, and lies by the media about him that are objectively clear. The root of this alternative reality is emotion. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 26, 2021 22:52:21 GMT -5
Oh. Wow. I just realized. Politicians lie. WOW! The maniac suggested I've been led into a fascist trance, and that's the corporate media meme, that people like me bought a big lie on the strength of Trumps personality. ..... (omg that is soooo funny ...). It's yet another projection. There's a reason "orange man bad" is a meme: the corporate media used all of his personality flaws to evoke a negative emotional reaction that has blinded people to the facts of the opposition. You can complain about the policies you don't like all you want, but it doesn't explain the underlying deep unconsciousness. I honestly can’t cope with that I’m seeing in the world. For instance, posts up on my Farcebook, now about Boris and the 100k extra deaths in the UK. Clearly the media are now running that story amd everyone jumps on the bandwagon so quickly. It literally is like watching zombies at the moment!!! Ok, well, if it makes you feel any better, it's always been like this.  What's changed is that the underlying dissonance has reached a point where, for more and more people over time, it's harder for the subconscious to paper it over. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 26, 2021 22:59:58 GMT -5
How many arms sales did the Obama admin deny? I honestly have no idea but my intuition would suggest zero, and if that's right it's just another example of the media+academia double-standard. Reduction of the influence of the military industrial complex starts with reducing their global role. But, no denying that Trump increased the military budget, and that sucked. "but Obama!" is no way to go thru life son man up. own it. embrace it. wear it. Oh but I did own my position: Trump increased the military budget, which I oppose, so he's not free of my criticism. But without double standards, there is no hypocrisy, and going on about the arms sales is just a way to deflect from the fact that Trump drew down the overseas military presence, and had to fight the generals to do it. They've already sent new troops into Syria that most Americans probably aren't even aware of - on Jan 20th, no less! Why is it that the US corporate media doesn't report that story, and do you understand that particular brand of absence of awareness is precisely how the Vietnam build-up started? |
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Post by esponja on Jan 26, 2021 23:17:45 GMT -5
I honestly can’t cope with that I’m seeing in the world. For instance, posts up on my Farcebook, now about Boris and the 100k extra deaths in the UK. Clearly the media are now running that story amd everyone jumps on the bandwagon so quickly. It literally is like watching zombies at the moment!!! Ok, well, if it makes you feel any better, it's always been like this. What's changed is that the underlying dissonance has reached a point where, for more and more people over time, it's harder for the subconscious to paper it over. Oh for sure. I was there too until very recently. I’ve done so much inner work. Most people are very much still in the survival brain, I do have compassion. |
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What's changed is that the underlying dissonance has reached a point where, for more and more people over time, it's harder for the subconscious to paper it over.